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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
July 21 2012 21:31 GMT
#2301
On July 22 2012 06:30 HolyArrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2012 06:30 opterown wrote:
On July 22 2012 06:28 HolyArrow wrote:
On July 22 2012 06:25 opterown wrote:
On July 22 2012 06:23 opterown wrote:
On July 22 2012 06:20 Roxor9999 wrote:
On July 22 2012 06:18 nkr wrote:
On July 22 2012 06:16 opterown wrote:
we should do something like
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unofficial_Football_World_Championships
for the title of 'best sc2 player'

only matches broadcasted live at LAN events only though =]


Could start with the winner of the WCS

We need to do this retroactively starting with the winner of the first gsl fruitdealer.

fruitdealer
marineking
rain
mc
and more on

oops missed nestea in between mkp and rain


If you're going by GSL winners then MKP doesn't belong there

FD won GSL open season 1 -> world champion
mkp beat FD in open season 2 -> unofficial world champ
nestea beat mkp -> 3rd world champion
rain beat nestea -> 4th world champ
mc beat rain -> 5th world champ

so on =]

televised live lan matches only :D


Ok, ok, I see. So at one point Jinro was the best player in the world! :D

haha maybe, will have to go through and check everything properly
might do a compilation if i'm bored sometime~
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
yeint
Profile Joined May 2011
Estonia2329 Posts
July 21 2012 21:31 GMT
#2302
On July 22 2012 06:15 templar rage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2012 06:14 yeint wrote:
On July 22 2012 06:12 templar rage wrote:
On July 22 2012 06:11 Condor Hero wrote:
really makes those 93% look dumb


No, it really doesn't. Makes you look dumb for not understanding basic probability concepts.


I don't see what "basic probability concepts" have to do with 93% of people being overconfident about Stephano's chances.


Looks like you don't either, but you just blindly hate Stephano anyway iirc, so it wouldn't really matter for me to explain it.


Tell me more about whom I hate, I'm very interested in finding out new things about myself.
Not supporting teams who take robber baron money.
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-21 21:34:15
July 21 2012 21:31 GMT
#2303
On July 22 2012 06:26 Toadvine wrote:
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On July 22 2012 06:19 Azarkon wrote:
It comes down to the map pool for why Oz was able to get away with what he got away with.

Antiga -> Cloud Kingdom -> Daybreak, no loser's pick. Three great maps for macro Protoss play, no Shakuras / Tal'Darim till the 6th and 7th maps.

A lot of these match ups come down to map choice for what strategies players exploit. Oz has got a great map pool for his sort of play, and I think Antiga is the one map where Stephano has a better grasp of because it's his favorite map. Daybreak, from his NASL results, was a Protoss win each time he played it.

NASL was the opposite.

This tournament, I think, is going to be won by a Protoss.


Antiga is an awful map for macro PvZ, no idea why anyone would think otherwise. It's really hard to take a 4th, and if Zerg takes theirs in another main, it's very hard to push it without being extremely vulnerable to a counterattack. Broodlords own the center in the lategame, and it's really easy for Zerg to deny Protoss bases with that as a staging ground. There's a reason MC almost always all-ins on Antiga.

In any case, I don't really get how the maps being balanced and reasonable figures into anything. Shakuras/TDA are just bad, and shouldn't be in the pool at all. :/


It's easy for Protoss to take a third on Antiga, and from there you have to contest the center, obviously. MLG's version of Antiga is a subpar map, however, because they put extra mineral bases at the center when it's already a very important location, making the entire game a wrestle over the center 4th. But, at the same time, Zerg doesn't have an easier time taking a 4th provided that you control the center. The game does play into fast three base styles, which is what Oz loves. I feel that Oz's play style is dependent on getting a fast third and that this is his advantage over Stephano on maps that allow Protoss to do so.

But yes, Stephano loves Antiga too and I don't think it's a bad map for him. Cloud Kingdom and Daybreak, though, aren't great maps for him these days.
Toadvine
Profile Joined November 2010
Poland2234 Posts
July 21 2012 21:31 GMT
#2304
On July 22 2012 06:29 Shiori wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2012 06:27 templar rage wrote:
On July 22 2012 06:26 Dosey wrote:
On July 22 2012 06:23 FairForever wrote:
On July 22 2012 06:21 power-overwhelming wrote:
Doesn't take that long for late game stephano zvp to get figured out. This just proves that if Stephano played in GSL he wouldn't do good. Oz didn't even prepare specifically for him but his builds alone were enough to make stephano lose.


One BO3 is definitely going to prove that Stephano couldn't hold up in GSL. Point is, we won't actually know until he goes (if he ever goes) to compete. A lot of Koreans seem to have a very strong opinion of his play, but a lot of Koreans also had a strong opinion on Thorzain's play and that hasn't gotten him very far in Korea, so who knows?

Eh... I always thought Thorzain was way too predictable (which is VERY bad as a terran) to be able to win consistently in Korea.


And Stephano isn't lol?

The difference is that Stephano's build is good against everything as long as he scouts it and reacts properly. In the games against Oz, he got thrown out of his element by a bizarre opening in games 1 and 2, and in game 3 didn't scout a crazily early third. Had he scouted that third, he would have reacted and been in a good position. Instead, he caught it too late and was basically dead from there.


I don't think he could've done anything. He seemed to have read it well, and started making lings despite not scouting it. Oz was just really well-defended against a Zerg with late ling speed. So being predictable did hurt him.
"There are always some Eskimos ready to instruct the Congolese on how to cope with heat waves." - S.J.Lec
Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
July 21 2012 21:31 GMT
#2305
On July 22 2012 06:28 HolyArrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2012 06:25 opterown wrote:
On July 22 2012 06:23 opterown wrote:
On July 22 2012 06:20 Roxor9999 wrote:
On July 22 2012 06:18 nkr wrote:
On July 22 2012 06:16 opterown wrote:
we should do something like
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unofficial_Football_World_Championships
for the title of 'best sc2 player'

only matches broadcasted live at LAN events only though =]


Could start with the winner of the WCS

We need to do this retroactively starting with the winner of the first gsl fruitdealer.

fruitdealer
marineking
rain
mc
and more on

oops missed nestea in between mkp and rain


If you're going by GSL winners then MKP doesn't belong there


It is a list of the guy, who beat the guy, who beat the guy...., who beat the guy, who won the first GSL. I expect it to go pretty weird, when MVP loses to Adelscott after winner GSLWC. And pretty hard to reconstruct, seing how many weekly-cups where up, in which Adel prticipated.
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8304 Posts
July 21 2012 21:31 GMT
#2306
On July 22 2012 06:26 Dosey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2012 06:23 FairForever wrote:
On July 22 2012 06:21 power-overwhelming wrote:
Doesn't take that long for late game stephano zvp to get figured out. This just proves that if Stephano played in GSL he wouldn't do good. Oz didn't even prepare specifically for him but his builds alone were enough to make stephano lose.


One BO3 is definitely going to prove that Stephano couldn't hold up in GSL. Point is, we won't actually know until he goes (if he ever goes) to compete. A lot of Koreans seem to have a very strong opinion of his play, but a lot of Koreans also had a strong opinion on Thorzain's play and that hasn't gotten him very far in Korea, so who knows?

Eh... I always thought Thorzain was way too predictable (which is VERY bad as a terran) to be able to win consistently in Korea.


He still hasn't played that many matches in korea yet really. Give him another month.

Look at Naniwa, he started out 0-10 in korea and now is kicking ass.
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
jeeneeus
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1168 Posts
July 21 2012 21:32 GMT
#2307
Is there a way to increase the volume of only the stream?
Havik_
Profile Joined November 2011
United States5585 Posts
July 21 2012 21:32 GMT
#2308
On July 22 2012 06:31 Die4Ever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2012 06:26 Seiniyta wrote:
On July 22 2012 06:25 RaiKageRyu wrote:
I hope that isn't the type of PvP we will be seeing at this GSL finals.


Imagine, 7 even games that go to the überlate game each of 'em going over an hour :D

I'd watch the shit out of that




If you thought GomTvT matches were long, you aint seen nothing yet!
"An opinion is only as good as the evidence that backs it up."- William O'Malley, S.J.
stardin
Profile Joined September 2010
Israel88 Posts
July 21 2012 21:32 GMT
#2309
Long live Day9!
FairForever
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada2392 Posts
July 21 2012 21:32 GMT
#2310
On July 22 2012 06:31 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2012 06:30 FairForever wrote:
On July 22 2012 06:29 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
On July 22 2012 06:25 FairForever wrote:
On July 22 2012 06:25 RaiKageRyu wrote:
I hope that isn't the type of PvP we will be seeing at this GSL finals.


If we see 7 games of it it could be longer than a Goody TvT series.


Enough of the oxymorons


I don't get where the oxymoron is... O_O


"longer than" and then "Goody TvT series"

i hope at least :O


I think you mean exaggeration =P an oxymoron would be like

"10 minute Goody game" or "short Goody TvT series"
Aeroplaneoverthesea
Profile Joined April 2012
United Kingdom1977 Posts
July 21 2012 21:32 GMT
#2311
Hoping to see Losira or Oz take this.
Shienryu
Profile Joined May 2012
Canada163 Posts
July 21 2012 21:32 GMT
#2312
Did Stephano not do his homework on the viOLet vs Oz game? Really should of taken note of those unorthodox timings.
freerolll
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Belgium1056 Posts
July 21 2012 21:32 GMT
#2313
On July 22 2012 06:29 Jomppa wrote:
have apollo and artosis casted together yet?



That would truly be the best caster combo alive imo
Always give without remembering & always receive without forgetting.
Barez
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada123 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-21 21:32:49
July 21 2012 21:32 GMT
#2314
haahh apollo is an intense hand talker
Far Beyond Driven
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
July 21 2012 21:33 GMT
#2315
On July 22 2012 06:31 Xoronius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2012 06:28 HolyArrow wrote:
On July 22 2012 06:25 opterown wrote:
On July 22 2012 06:23 opterown wrote:
On July 22 2012 06:20 Roxor9999 wrote:
On July 22 2012 06:18 nkr wrote:
On July 22 2012 06:16 opterown wrote:
we should do something like
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unofficial_Football_World_Championships
for the title of 'best sc2 player'

only matches broadcasted live at LAN events only though =]


Could start with the winner of the WCS

We need to do this retroactively starting with the winner of the first gsl fruitdealer.

fruitdealer
marineking
rain
mc
and more on

oops missed nestea in between mkp and rain


If you're going by GSL winners then MKP doesn't belong there


It is a list of the guy, who beat the guy, who beat the guy...., who beat the guy, who won the first GSL. I expect it to go pretty weird, when MVP loses to Adelscott after winner GSLWC. And pretty hard to reconstruct, seing how many weekly-cups where up, in which Adel prticipated.

nah only live lan events ;D otherwise weekly cups and all stuff it so much haha
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
Dosey
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4505 Posts
July 21 2012 21:33 GMT
#2316
On July 22 2012 06:31 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2012 06:30 FairForever wrote:
On July 22 2012 06:29 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
On July 22 2012 06:25 FairForever wrote:
On July 22 2012 06:25 RaiKageRyu wrote:
I hope that isn't the type of PvP we will be seeing at this GSL finals.


If we see 7 games of it it could be longer than a Goody TvT series.


Enough of the oxymorons


I don't get where the oxymoron is... O_O


"longer than" and then "Goody TvT series"

i hope at least :O

Wouldn't that be a hyperbole? Not an oxymoron?
MCXD
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Australia2738 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-21 21:33:28
July 21 2012 21:33 GMT
#2317
What is the song that's playing on the main stream at the moment?

EDIT: NEVERMIND, they changed it. I mean the last song.
Chytilova
Profile Joined December 2011
United States790 Posts
July 21 2012 21:33 GMT
#2318
On July 22 2012 06:32 freerolll wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2012 06:29 Jomppa wrote:
have apollo and artosis casted together yet?



That would truly be the best caster combo alive imo


Would've seen it if you bought Premium :D
Kevan
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden2303 Posts
July 21 2012 21:33 GMT
#2319
On July 22 2012 06:32 jeeneeus wrote:
Is there a way to increase the volume of only the stream?

I think you can go into the windows sound mixer and increase the volume of just the flash player.
SC2, rip in pepperinos
Scribble
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
2077 Posts
July 21 2012 21:33 GMT
#2320
On July 22 2012 06:25 Lennient wrote:
at the end, carriers prevail


This is relevant whenever carriers succeed.



1:12 THE CARRIER HAS TAKEN OFF
1:13 RIGHT NOW!
1:15 FINALLY!
1:16 THE CARRIER IS THE
1:17 MOST POWERFUL UNIT
1:19 BUT WHAT IS NEEDED IN THE END IS THE COMBINATION!
1:27 AH~~~~ IT IS THE MOST BEAUTIFUL CARRIERS SO MOVING!
1:32 Ah! The Goliaths are attacking while surrounding the carriers!
1:36 THERE IS NO PLACE TO ESCAPE
1:40 Ah~~ Carrier~~ GG...
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