only matches broadcasted live at LAN events only though =]
Could start with the winner of the WCS
We need to do this retroactively starting with the winner of the first gsl fruitdealer.
fruitdealer marineking rain mc and more on
oops missed nestea in between mkp and rain
If you're going by GSL winners then MKP doesn't belong there
FD won GSL open season 1 -> world champion mkp beat FD in open season 2 -> unofficial world champ nestea beat mkp -> 3rd world champion rain beat nestea -> 4th world champ mc beat rain -> 5th world champ
so on =]
televised live lan matches only :D
Ok, ok, I see. So at one point Jinro was the best player in the world! :D
haha maybe, will have to go through and check everything properly might do a compilation if i'm bored sometime~
On July 22 2012 06:19 Azarkon wrote: It comes down to the map pool for why Oz was able to get away with what he got away with.
Antiga -> Cloud Kingdom -> Daybreak, no loser's pick. Three great maps for macro Protoss play, no Shakuras / Tal'Darim till the 6th and 7th maps.
A lot of these match ups come down to map choice for what strategies players exploit. Oz has got a great map pool for his sort of play, and I think Antiga is the one map where Stephano has a better grasp of because it's his favorite map. Daybreak, from his NASL results, was a Protoss win each time he played it.
NASL was the opposite.
This tournament, I think, is going to be won by a Protoss.
Antiga is an awful map for macro PvZ, no idea why anyone would think otherwise. It's really hard to take a 4th, and if Zerg takes theirs in another main, it's very hard to push it without being extremely vulnerable to a counterattack. Broodlords own the center in the lategame, and it's really easy for Zerg to deny Protoss bases with that as a staging ground. There's a reason MC almost always all-ins on Antiga.
In any case, I don't really get how the maps being balanced and reasonable figures into anything. Shakuras/TDA are just bad, and shouldn't be in the pool at all. :/
It's easy for Protoss to take a third on Antiga, and from there you have to contest the center, obviously. MLG's version of Antiga is a subpar map, however, because they put extra mineral bases at the center when it's already a very important location, making the entire game a wrestle over the center 4th. But, at the same time, Zerg doesn't have an easier time taking a 4th provided that you control the center. The game does play into fast three base styles, which is what Oz loves. I feel that Oz's play style is dependent on getting a fast third and that this is his advantage over Stephano on maps that allow Protoss to do so.
But yes, Stephano loves Antiga too and I don't think it's a bad map for him. Cloud Kingdom and Daybreak, though, aren't great maps for him these days.
On July 22 2012 06:21 power-overwhelming wrote: Doesn't take that long for late game stephano zvp to get figured out. This just proves that if Stephano played in GSL he wouldn't do good. Oz didn't even prepare specifically for him but his builds alone were enough to make stephano lose.
One BO3 is definitely going to prove that Stephano couldn't hold up in GSL. Point is, we won't actually know until he goes (if he ever goes) to compete. A lot of Koreans seem to have a very strong opinion of his play, but a lot of Koreans also had a strong opinion on Thorzain's play and that hasn't gotten him very far in Korea, so who knows?
Eh... I always thought Thorzain was way too predictable (which is VERY bad as a terran) to be able to win consistently in Korea.
And Stephano isn't lol?
The difference is that Stephano's build is good against everything as long as he scouts it and reacts properly. In the games against Oz, he got thrown out of his element by a bizarre opening in games 1 and 2, and in game 3 didn't scout a crazily early third. Had he scouted that third, he would have reacted and been in a good position. Instead, he caught it too late and was basically dead from there.
I don't think he could've done anything. He seemed to have read it well, and started making lings despite not scouting it. Oz was just really well-defended against a Zerg with late ling speed. So being predictable did hurt him.
only matches broadcasted live at LAN events only though =]
Could start with the winner of the WCS
We need to do this retroactively starting with the winner of the first gsl fruitdealer.
fruitdealer marineking rain mc and more on
oops missed nestea in between mkp and rain
If you're going by GSL winners then MKP doesn't belong there
It is a list of the guy, who beat the guy, who beat the guy...., who beat the guy, who won the first GSL. I expect it to go pretty weird, when MVP loses to Adelscott after winner GSLWC. And pretty hard to reconstruct, seing how many weekly-cups where up, in which Adel prticipated.
On July 22 2012 06:21 power-overwhelming wrote: Doesn't take that long for late game stephano zvp to get figured out. This just proves that if Stephano played in GSL he wouldn't do good. Oz didn't even prepare specifically for him but his builds alone were enough to make stephano lose.
One BO3 is definitely going to prove that Stephano couldn't hold up in GSL. Point is, we won't actually know until he goes (if he ever goes) to compete. A lot of Koreans seem to have a very strong opinion of his play, but a lot of Koreans also had a strong opinion on Thorzain's play and that hasn't gotten him very far in Korea, so who knows?
Eh... I always thought Thorzain was way too predictable (which is VERY bad as a terran) to be able to win consistently in Korea.
He still hasn't played that many matches in korea yet really. Give him another month.
Look at Naniwa, he started out 0-10 in korea and now is kicking ass.
only matches broadcasted live at LAN events only though =]
Could start with the winner of the WCS
We need to do this retroactively starting with the winner of the first gsl fruitdealer.
fruitdealer marineking rain mc and more on
oops missed nestea in between mkp and rain
If you're going by GSL winners then MKP doesn't belong there
It is a list of the guy, who beat the guy, who beat the guy...., who beat the guy, who won the first GSL. I expect it to go pretty weird, when MVP loses to Adelscott after winner GSLWC. And pretty hard to reconstruct, seing how many weekly-cups where up, in which Adel prticipated.
nah only live lan events ;D otherwise weekly cups and all stuff it so much haha
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