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niteReloaded
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Croatia5282 Posts
July 15 2012 22:21 GMT
#2361
I think Stephano beating MC made people believe that Ret actually had a chance in this BO7, while the truth is that he didn't.
Stephano himself didn't expect to beat MC, that's how good MC is. And that's how good Stephano is. And that's how far away Ret is.
Anta
Profile Joined April 2012
Germany434 Posts
July 15 2012 22:21 GMT
#2362
On July 16 2012 07:18 mememolly wrote:
fucking cat just threw up over my monitor


ye that series is really awful to watch... 8[

plz a quick 4th game to end that horror
"In short: stop bitching, change your tampons and up your game." mad respect to CloudNineLabs.com http://i.imgur.com/g5KGz.jpg ! I love Dreamhack!
deus.machinarum
Profile Joined September 2011
Austria658 Posts
July 15 2012 22:21 GMT
#2363
On July 16 2012 07:21 niteReloaded wrote:
I think Stephano beating MC made people believe that Ret actually had a chance in this BO7, while the truth is that he didn't.
Stephano himself didn't expect to beat MC, that's how good MC is. And that's how good Stephano is. And that's how far away Ret is.


nicely put!
Nothing worth having comes easy.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
July 15 2012 22:22 GMT
#2364
Poll: MC wins - $1,000,000. Ret wins - your life. Take the bet?

Yes (77)
 
91%

No (8)
 
9%

85 total votes

Your vote: MC wins - $1,000,000. Ret wins - your life. Take the bet?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No

ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
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Durp
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada3117 Posts
July 15 2012 22:22 GMT
#2365
I feel like the solution to that situation is the nydus wurm. There's basically nothing a protoss can do in that situation vs a nydus in the main when they have to keep their entire stalker/archon/colossus/mothership army in the middle of the map to hold off the broods.

I wish the nydus got more popular
SOOOOOooooOOOOooooOOOOoo Many BANELINGS!!
aRyuujin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5049 Posts
July 15 2012 22:22 GMT
#2366
On July 16 2012 07:20 mordk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 07:17 Tewks44 wrote:
that game was totally awesome, I don't know what some of you people are smoking.

Seriously, some of you guys will complain about anything.

I kinda liked the game, but this is not how a long macro game is played, or at least not what I'm thinking when the term "long macro game" comes to my head. Turtling for >30 minutes and ending the game in a single battle isn't the idea.

Long macro games are those which reach that stage after tons of skirmishes and battles throughout the early and mid game, with engagements all over the map, harass maneuvers and strategic moves going on all the time, to finally end after a long fought engagement in the end.

Watch Bisu vs Last for very recent reference. If you want to watch true epicness, watch Jaedong vs Flash from a few years back on WCG, the very definition of a "long macro game"


There are a couple of SC2 games that are decent, too. SC vs Nestea from GSL May semis comes to mind, I can't think of any others right now, but you can check the vod threads, etc. Actually, a lot of games on Crossfire are really awesome- Reminds me of Peaks of Baekdu from BW, which was such an awesome map
can i get my estro logo back pls
the`postman
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1643 Posts
July 15 2012 22:22 GMT
#2367
On July 16 2012 07:20 Toadvine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 07:18 JustPassingBy wrote:
On July 16 2012 07:16 the`postman wrote:
On July 16 2012 07:15 ThePhan2m wrote:
why didnt ret just wait??? such a bad way to go out. how hard is it spread your army?? vortex is so obvious.....

You can't just let the protoss get to his archon/carrier/collosi death ball, gotta push out at some point.


plus, the protoss will always be more cost efficient than the zerg. so if you let him mine out his half of the map and you do yours, you're in quite some trouble.


The Broodlord/Infestor ball is way more cost-efficient than anything Protoss can put out.

except that four archons+a vortex can kill infinite supply of zerg units.
Diavlo
Profile Joined July 2011
Belgium2915 Posts
July 15 2012 22:22 GMT
#2368
On July 16 2012 07:20 yeint wrote:
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On July 16 2012 07:18 InoyouS2 wrote:
On July 16 2012 07:17 darthfoley wrote:
On July 16 2012 07:14 Mrwl wrote:
On July 16 2012 07:13 darthfoley wrote:
well this is why pvz is retarded to watch. we wait 25 minutes for one vortex and it's gg



quoted for the truth


seriously, i'm terran and i'm not balance whining, just from an entertainment stand point pvz is probably the worst matchup in the game... zvz is pretty bad too


No, the worst by FAR is PvP, I don't care what anyone says.

Problem with Protoss is that it's units are so expensive and strong that every PvX matchup ends in one engagement most of the time.


PvP is a lot better, since it usually ends early and has constant aggression.

PvZ might as well be played on Novice maps.


PvP and PvZ are pretty similar, pretty good in the early, mid game (although i prefer PvP) and completely shitty in the late game with a heavy tendency to just be determined by one wrong move.
"I don't know how many years on this Earth I got left. I'm gonna get real weird with it."
RoyAlex
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway420 Posts
July 15 2012 22:22 GMT
#2369
On July 16 2012 07:21 niteReloaded wrote:
I think Stephano beating MC made people believe that Ret actually had a chance in this BO7, while the truth is that he didn't.
Stephano himself didn't expect to beat MC, that's how good MC is. And that's how good Stephano is. And that's how far away Ret is.


This is the difference between Ret and Stephano.
Ret should really have practiced more if he actually wanted to win NASL or beat MC and the others.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
July 15 2012 22:22 GMT
#2370
On July 16 2012 07:22 opterown wrote:
Poll: MC wins - $1,000,000. Ret wins - your life. Take the bet?

Yes (77)
 
91%

No (8)
 
9%

85 total votes

Your vote: MC wins - $1,000,000. Ret wins - your life. Take the bet?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No


omg it's back. don't do it people! you'll die!!!! it's not worth it!
although I like to roll the dice so I took the risk
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Orek
Profile Joined February 2012
1665 Posts
July 15 2012 22:22 GMT
#2371
On July 16 2012 07:21 -Kira wrote:
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On July 16 2012 07:15 entropius wrote:
Late game PvZ is ... idiotic. Who cares if it's "balanced" or not -- it's just a crapshoot. Sometimes Zerg wins when Protoss doesn't manage to vortex them out, sometimes Zerg loses when Protoss hits vortex, but it is ridiculous in a game where players play at ~200 APM for only two of those actions (select mothership, cast vortex) to decide the game.

Design fail. Blizzard ought to remove the mothership from the game and then give Protoss whatever tools they need to fight brood lord/infestor in a straight-up fight.


I love current PvZ. I don't play anything like the standard and zergs don't know wtf to do. It's players fault, not the matchup.


Sadly, most of us don't care how "you" play. We care how pros play.
skiersteve
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom268 Posts
July 15 2012 22:22 GMT
#2372
and this is what happens when there are no terrans in the semis / finals ... even if you hate terran, no one can deny that any MU with terran is so much more exciting than these shitty dull boring pvp's zvz's and the worst of all pvz .... oh well catching up on the week games <3 byul vs nestea yay me!
-Kira
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
352 Posts
July 15 2012 22:22 GMT
#2373
On July 16 2012 07:21 Vorenius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 07:19 NeonFox wrote:
On July 16 2012 07:17 aRyuujin wrote:
On July 16 2012 07:15 entropius wrote:
Late game PvZ is ... idiotic. Who cares if it's "balanced" or not -- it's just a crapshoot. Sometimes Zerg wins when Protoss doesn't manage to vortex them out, sometimes Zerg loses when Protoss hits vortex, but it is ridiculous in a game where players play at ~200 APM for only two of those actions (select mothership, cast vortex) to decide the game.

Design fail.


Actually, I think it's more like if the zerg doesn't split, then he wins, if he splits, he loses. Rather than being in the hands of the protoss, it's in the hands of the zerg. Imagine if Ret had played that better, he would've completely demolished MC. He just overextended


It's not just about splitting. The first one to make a slight mistake gets obliterated.

More like the protoss is getting slowly obliterated while praying for the zerg to make a slight mistake and then capitalize on it.


Yupp, Protoss should not be able to get a vortex off if zerg can fungal well.
dreamseller
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
Australia914 Posts
July 15 2012 22:23 GMT
#2374
On July 16 2012 07:18 Vorenius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 07:17 dreamseller wrote:
On July 16 2012 07:16 babybell wrote:
Anyone else feeling sick from too much PvZ...?


yeah i've been vomiting all over my computers all day.

it's getting costly

Don't forget you can just put your keyboard in the dishwasher


what about my tower and pants, they were mainly in the firing line
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trias_e
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States520 Posts
July 15 2012 22:23 GMT
#2375
On July 16 2012 07:22 opterown wrote:
Poll: MC wins - $1,000,000. Ret wins - your life. Take the bet?

Yes (77)
 
91%

No (8)
 
9%

85 total votes

Your vote: MC wins - $1,000,000. Ret wins - your life. Take the bet?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No



Wait, is that for the series or just game 4? Because if it's for the series I'll take the million dollars.
Zeon0
Profile Joined September 2010
Austria2995 Posts
July 15 2012 22:23 GMT
#2376
On July 16 2012 07:19 FidoDido wrote:
These bo7 pvzs are killing me.. if it was 4 months ago, I probably wouldn't be complaining but seriously. Where are all the terrans?

they are playing quite bad
Hater of MKP since GSL Open Season 2 | Fanboy of: NesTea Stephano IdrA DIMAGA MorroW ret DongRaeGu Snute SaSe Mvp ThorZaIN DeMusliM
mememolly
Profile Joined December 2011
4765 Posts
July 15 2012 22:23 GMT
#2377
On July 16 2012 07:22 opterown wrote:
Poll: MC wins - $1,000,000. Ret wins - your life. Take the bet?

Yes (77)
 
91%

No (8)
 
9%

85 total votes

Your vote: MC wins - $1,000,000. Ret wins - your life. Take the bet?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No



win win in my book
templar rage
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2509 Posts
July 15 2012 22:23 GMT
#2378
There are some sick degens ITT to gamble with their life on such short odds lol.
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
July 15 2012 22:23 GMT
#2379
On July 16 2012 07:22 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 07:22 opterown wrote:
Poll: MC wins - $1,000,000. Ret wins - your life. Take the bet?

Yes (77)
 
91%

No (8)
 
9%

85 total votes

Your vote: MC wins - $1,000,000. Ret wins - your life. Take the bet?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No


omg it's back. don't do it people! you'll die!!!! it's not worth it!
although I like to roll the dice so I took the risk


just voted for yes to make it more exciting
Oboeman
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3980 Posts
July 15 2012 22:23 GMT
#2380
also ret should have upgraded ventral sacks while banking 1k/1k going hive.

ferrying units into the main base is always a better way to free up supply than walking roaches into his army.

And then in late game he would have the option of targeting the main while holding his 6th base, instead of pushing forward into the mothership.
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