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Harbinger631
Profile Joined September 2010
United States376 Posts
July 15 2012 22:18 GMT
#2321
Can Ret do anything else than passive broodlord?
Maddhatter1
Profile Joined November 2011
United States51 Posts
July 15 2012 22:18 GMT
#2322
Vortex isn't that OP. Zergs just don't micro their armies, they never split up their broodlords

Only Zerg I see do that is TLO on stream, and it works pretty well for him there
InoyouS2
Profile Joined December 2011
1005 Posts
July 15 2012 22:18 GMT
#2323
On July 16 2012 07:17 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 07:14 Mrwl wrote:
On July 16 2012 07:13 darthfoley wrote:
well this is why pvz is retarded to watch. we wait 25 minutes for one vortex and it's gg



quoted for the truth


seriously, i'm terran and i'm not balance whining, just from an entertainment stand point pvz is probably the worst matchup in the game... zvz is pretty bad too


No, the worst by FAR is PvP, I don't care what anyone says.

Problem with Protoss is that it's units are so expensive and strong that every PvX matchup ends in one engagement most of the time.
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wildstyle1337
Profile Joined September 2011
Poland514 Posts
July 15 2012 22:18 GMT
#2324
i think Ret still dont know about nerual parasite
Stow.Wif
Profile Joined April 2011
France67 Posts
July 15 2012 22:19 GMT
#2325
On July 16 2012 07:17 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 07:14 Mrwl wrote:
On July 16 2012 07:13 darthfoley wrote:
well this is why pvz is retarded to watch. we wait 25 minutes for one vortex and it's gg



quoted for the truth


seriously, i'm terran and i'm not balance whining, just from an entertainment stand point pvz is probably the worst matchup in the game... zvz is pretty bad too


Agreed. How boring...
HotGlueGun
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1409 Posts
July 15 2012 22:19 GMT
#2326
7pool inc
Don't hoot with the Owls at night if you cant soar with the Eagles at dawn.
Orek
Profile Joined February 2012
1665 Posts
July 15 2012 22:19 GMT
#2327
If Zerg late game is OP, then Protoss SUPER late game is OP, too.
Zerg just has to finish before Protoss gets unlimited gas.
Currently, it is relatively rare to see games going into super late game, but once game gets more figured out and super late game 30min+ becomes standard, we might see Protoss OP whines from Zerg.
Tewks44
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2032 Posts
July 15 2012 22:19 GMT
#2328
Ret had his corruptors in an enormous ball over his broodlords, and he KNEW about the mothership. If you wanna complain about toilet being "OP" then pick another game as an example
"that is our ethos; free content, starcraft content, websites that work occasionally" -Sean "Day[9]" Plott
HowardRoark
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
1146 Posts
July 15 2012 22:19 GMT
#2329
What an awfully boring game, hope HotS can make PvX watchable.
"It is really good to get the double observatory if you want to get the speed and sight range for the observer simultaneously. It's a little bit of an advanced tactic, and by advanced, I mean really fucking bad."
Lunchador
Profile Joined April 2010
United States776 Posts
July 15 2012 22:19 GMT
#2330
On July 16 2012 07:17 aRyuujin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 07:15 entropius wrote:
Late game PvZ is ... idiotic. Who cares if it's "balanced" or not -- it's just a crapshoot. Sometimes Zerg wins when Protoss doesn't manage to vortex them out, sometimes Zerg loses when Protoss hits vortex, but it is ridiculous in a game where players play at ~200 APM for only two of those actions (select mothership, cast vortex) to decide the game.

Design fail.


Actually, I think it's more like if the zerg doesn't split, then he wins, if he splits, he loses. Rather than being in the hands of the protoss, it's in the hands of the zerg. Imagine if Ret had played that better, he would've completely demolished MC. He just overextended


This is true too. I was kinda whispering, "Don't go full foreigner, don't go full foreigner, don't go full foreign- ah dammit!"
Defender of truth, justice, and noontime meals!
fuzzz
Profile Joined October 2010
267 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-15 22:19:48
July 15 2012 22:19 GMT
#2331
LOL that archon pop that no one saw
usa lol
artosismermaid
Profile Joined May 2011
213 Posts
July 15 2012 22:19 GMT
#2332
On July 16 2012 07:18 DMXD wrote:
man ret alway lose those type of games..sadface =(


and this is why I will always cheer for koreans like boxer who when down 3 games at mlg to idra fights and almost comes back. I hope ret does not do that.
FidoDido
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1292 Posts
July 15 2012 22:19 GMT
#2333
These bo7 pvzs are killing me.. if it was 4 months ago, I probably wouldn't be complaining but seriously. Where are all the terrans?
LGIMSeed FantasyToss~~ Hipster Seed fan before he made Code A
Waywatcher
Profile Joined April 2012
Netherlands205 Posts
July 15 2012 22:19 GMT
#2334
On July 16 2012 07:15 entropius wrote:
Late game PvZ is ... idiotic. Who cares if it's "balanced" or not -- it's just a crapshoot. Sometimes Zerg wins when Protoss doesn't manage to vortex them out, sometimes Zerg loses when Protoss hits vortex, but it is ridiculous in a game where players play at ~200 APM for only two of those actions (select mothership, cast vortex) to decide the game.

Design fail.


I doubt Ret would have won if he did win that fight. Because MC had a huge bank and could warp in 110 supply. So it's not that when one lost the fight it would be over, ret just couldnt lose his entire army because he had a small bank.

Also i am starting to see a lot more back and forward PvZ lately (last weeks) so i think its getting past the point its just one fight (still a lot of vortex vs BL, but a lot of those fights within one match) so i think it is getting better
NeonFox
Profile Joined January 2011
2373 Posts
July 15 2012 22:19 GMT
#2335
On July 16 2012 07:17 aRyuujin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 07:15 entropius wrote:
Late game PvZ is ... idiotic. Who cares if it's "balanced" or not -- it's just a crapshoot. Sometimes Zerg wins when Protoss doesn't manage to vortex them out, sometimes Zerg loses when Protoss hits vortex, but it is ridiculous in a game where players play at ~200 APM for only two of those actions (select mothership, cast vortex) to decide the game.

Design fail.


Actually, I think it's more like if the zerg doesn't split, then he wins, if he splits, he loses. Rather than being in the hands of the protoss, it's in the hands of the zerg. Imagine if Ret had played that better, he would've completely demolished MC. He just overextended


It's not just about splitting. The first one to make a slight mistake gets obliterated.
Youtakenocandle
Profile Joined February 2012
543 Posts
July 15 2012 22:19 GMT
#2336
MC going to play the next game with just his mouse.
Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
July 15 2012 22:19 GMT
#2337
On July 16 2012 07:18 HaXXspetten wrote:
a 4-0 would help for the schedule's sake

It would also be a fair reflection of the difference in skill.
AndAgain
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2621 Posts
July 15 2012 22:19 GMT
#2338
The biggest problem in PvZ is infestors. Once a lot of infestors are out, you can't do anything (cost efficiently) until a mothership is out. And that's when you get these types of games. PvZ really went to shit since the big infestor buff.
All your teeth should fall out and hair should grow in their place!
Porteroso
Profile Joined June 2012
United States19 Posts
July 15 2012 22:19 GMT
#2339
Excuse me. It belies how close the games were, not betrays. English, do you speak it?
tdt
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3179 Posts
July 15 2012 22:20 GMT
#2340
On July 16 2012 07:16 KillerSOS wrote:
GG toilet too strong

It's only counter to bl/infestor however MC didnt even need toilet to win that.
MC for president
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