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PvP finals, damn shame. I won't bother tuning in but i'll be rooting for MC.
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On July 19 2012 21:44 Ethi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 21:41 opterown wrote:On July 19 2012 21:39 Ethi wrote:On July 19 2012 21:36 opterown wrote:On July 19 2012 21:35 NightOfTheDead wrote:On July 19 2012 21:33 opterown wrote:
lose to ganzi
beat sniper
beat ganzi
beat mkp
beat squirtle
beat taeja
beat drg
started off pretty meh, escalted quickly, pretty good path
there have been harder roads for sure Beat finalist, beat champion, and beat previous champion? How can there be a harder road? On July 19 2012 21:35 FataLe wrote:On July 19 2012 21:33 opterown wrote:
lose to ganzi
beat sniper
beat ganzi
beat mkp
beat squirtle
beat taeja
beat drg
started off pretty meh, escalted quickly, pretty good path
there have been harder roads for sure any idea of who? sorry my history is weak. i know all the champs just can't remember any incredible runs aside from face rolls (NesTea, Squirtle) i think mvp had a harder one polt, mc, nestea, huk, july, top MC won the official group of death convincingly. so did mvp during his run mvp > mc mvp > polt both recently champions. mc won a pvp and against a derping mkp On July 19 2012 21:40 Havik_ wrote:On July 19 2012 21:36 opterown wrote:On July 19 2012 21:35 NightOfTheDead wrote:On July 19 2012 21:33 opterown wrote:
lose to ganzi
beat sniper
beat ganzi
beat mkp
beat squirtle
beat taeja
beat drg
started off pretty meh, escalted quickly, pretty good path
there have been harder roads for sure Beat finalist, beat champion, and beat previous champion? How can there be a harder road? On July 19 2012 21:35 FataLe wrote:On July 19 2012 21:33 opterown wrote:
lose to ganzi
beat sniper
beat ganzi
beat mkp
beat squirtle
beat taeja
beat drg
started off pretty meh, escalted quickly, pretty good path
there have been harder roads for sure any idea of who? sorry my history is weak. i know all the champs just can't remember any incredible runs aside from face rolls (NesTea, Squirtle) i think mvp had a harder one polt, mc, nestea, huk, july, top Those are better players, but an easier format. Ro16 and Ro32 were best of 1 back then. true, but bo1 also means that it's easier to get knocked out by just one mistake. the bo3 is less punishing i feel since you can drop one map but come back ...and then he roflstomps the -supposed to be- best player in the world with 3:0. Arguing seems a bit silly.
drg derped hard today, most people agree there. against an in-form drg it might be different
On July 19 2012 21:44 shizzz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 21:41 Ysellian wrote:On July 19 2012 21:40 Havik_ wrote:On July 19 2012 21:36 opterown wrote:On July 19 2012 21:35 NightOfTheDead wrote:On July 19 2012 21:33 opterown wrote:
lose to ganzi
beat sniper
beat ganzi
beat mkp
beat squirtle
beat taeja
beat drg
started off pretty meh, escalted quickly, pretty good path
there have been harder roads for sure Beat finalist, beat champion, and beat previous champion? How can there be a harder road? On July 19 2012 21:35 FataLe wrote:On July 19 2012 21:33 opterown wrote:
lose to ganzi
beat sniper
beat ganzi
beat mkp
beat squirtle
beat taeja
beat drg
started off pretty meh, escalted quickly, pretty good path
there have been harder roads for sure any idea of who? sorry my history is weak. i know all the champs just can't remember any incredible runs aside from face rolls (NesTea, Squirtle) i think mvp had a harder one polt, mc, nestea, huk, july, top Those are better players, but an easier format. Ro16 and Ro32 were best of 1 back then. Bo1 is not an easier format for the better player. However in the case of MVP specifically, he stated himself he much prefers the bo1 format, he obviously feels comfortable under the pressure and with his skill it'd definitely be scary to vs him in one.
probably since mvp lacks the stamina due his wrists? that's what i chalk it down to
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On July 19 2012 21:46 oOOoOphidian wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 21:44 Tachion wrote:On July 19 2012 21:41 oOOoOphidian wrote:On July 19 2012 21:40 Clefairy wrote:
I wish Blizzard would fix PvP so that the expectation of shitty games didn't exist. remove colossus that literally solves every problem with the matchup from a spectator point of view Without colossus PvP would be all chargelot archon ;p They need another robotics unit. some sort of scarab shooting type of unit maybe! chargelot archon storm? that went poorly for BW? I love phoenix, immortal drops, blink obs, etc. It's just mass colossus turtle is the absolute worst part of the game.
Without colossus Protoss would have a JYP like win record against Z and T though 
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On July 19 2012 21:45 oOOoOphidian wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 21:42 SeaSwift wrote:On July 19 2012 21:41 opterown wrote:On July 19 2012 21:39 Ethi wrote:On July 19 2012 21:36 opterown wrote:On July 19 2012 21:35 NightOfTheDead wrote:On July 19 2012 21:33 opterown wrote:
lose to ganzi
beat sniper
beat ganzi
beat mkp
beat squirtle
beat taeja
beat drg
started off pretty meh, escalted quickly, pretty good path
there have been harder roads for sure Beat finalist, beat champion, and beat previous champion? How can there be a harder road? On July 19 2012 21:35 FataLe wrote:On July 19 2012 21:33 opterown wrote:
lose to ganzi
beat sniper
beat ganzi
beat mkp
beat squirtle
beat taeja
beat drg
started off pretty meh, escalted quickly, pretty good path
there have been harder roads for sure any idea of who? sorry my history is weak. i know all the champs just can't remember any incredible runs aside from face rolls (NesTea, Squirtle) i think mvp had a harder one polt, mc, nestea, huk, july, top MC won the official group of death convincingly. so did mvp during his run mvp > mc mvp > polt both recently champions. mc won a pvp and against a derping mkp The main allegations against PvP are that it is a luck-based matchup. MC won that series with a 2gate robo hold against an UNSCOUTED 4gate, with the 2gate and Robo unpowered. Dismissing it as a PvP is retarded. robo builds hold 4gate unscouted with any amount of micro, unless they started with a pylon in your base
Watch the match. If you scout a 4-gate with 2-gate robo and use your chrono correctly, it's fine. If you did not scout it and they get up the ramp and the immortal is not out yet., you're screwed. MC lost a pylon which meant his 1st immortal was even more delayed.
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On July 19 2012 21:46 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 21:45 oOOoOphidian wrote:On July 19 2012 21:42 SeaSwift wrote:On July 19 2012 21:41 opterown wrote:On July 19 2012 21:39 Ethi wrote:On July 19 2012 21:36 opterown wrote:On July 19 2012 21:35 NightOfTheDead wrote:On July 19 2012 21:33 opterown wrote:
lose to ganzi
beat sniper
beat ganzi
beat mkp
beat squirtle
beat taeja
beat drg
started off pretty meh, escalted quickly, pretty good path
there have been harder roads for sure Beat finalist, beat champion, and beat previous champion? How can there be a harder road? On July 19 2012 21:35 FataLe wrote:On July 19 2012 21:33 opterown wrote:
lose to ganzi
beat sniper
beat ganzi
beat mkp
beat squirtle
beat taeja
beat drg
started off pretty meh, escalted quickly, pretty good path
there have been harder roads for sure any idea of who? sorry my history is weak. i know all the champs just can't remember any incredible runs aside from face rolls (NesTea, Squirtle) i think mvp had a harder one polt, mc, nestea, huk, july, top MC won the official group of death convincingly. so did mvp during his run mvp > mc mvp > polt both recently champions. mc won a pvp and against a derping mkp The main allegations against PvP are that it is a luck-based matchup. MC won that series with a 2gate robo hold against an UNSCOUTED 4gate, with the 2gate and Robo unpowered. Dismissing it as a PvP is retarded. robo builds hold 4gate unscouted with any amount of micro, unless they started with a pylon in your base clearly you did not see the game, shit was crazy.
I absolutely did. MC micro'd his units and won against a 4gate, like I said. Squirtle made a best effort with the failed all-in to unpower everything, but it didn't matter.
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On July 19 2012 21:46 Kommander wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 21:44 Tachion wrote:On July 19 2012 21:41 oOOoOphidian wrote:On July 19 2012 21:40 Clefairy wrote:
I wish Blizzard would fix PvP so that the expectation of shitty games didn't exist. remove colossus that literally solves every problem with the matchup from a spectator point of view Without colossus PvP would be all chargelot archon ;p They need another robotics unit. some sort of scarab shooting type of unit maybe! As a protoss player (and I'm sure other protoss would agree with me), I would be all for the removal of the colossus and replacing it with the reaver or a similar type of unit. I don't know though, Browder and his "oh but it looks so cool it shoots laserzz!!!" approach would probably prevent that.
If only Immortals had splash...
But that would be OP as hell
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Austria24420 Posts
On July 19 2012 21:43 Ragnarork wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 21:41 DarkLordOlli wrote:
PVP FINALS FOR JUSTICE! Seed is my HerO today! Yeah, no matter how much zergs complain about GomTvT era, Protosses deserves more a champion.
Yeah... funny how quickly people forget that protoss was the race suffering the hardest for about 6 months. Finally, FINALLY, we have our PvP finals. I hope Seed takes it so we have more than one champion. He's also creative as HELL and that deserves all the glory.
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On July 19 2012 21:47 Whatson wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 21:45 oOOoOphidian wrote:On July 19 2012 21:42 SeaSwift wrote:On July 19 2012 21:41 opterown wrote:On July 19 2012 21:39 Ethi wrote:On July 19 2012 21:36 opterown wrote:On July 19 2012 21:35 NightOfTheDead wrote:On July 19 2012 21:33 opterown wrote:
lose to ganzi
beat sniper
beat ganzi
beat mkp
beat squirtle
beat taeja
beat drg
started off pretty meh, escalted quickly, pretty good path
there have been harder roads for sure Beat finalist, beat champion, and beat previous champion? How can there be a harder road? On July 19 2012 21:35 FataLe wrote:On July 19 2012 21:33 opterown wrote:
lose to ganzi
beat sniper
beat ganzi
beat mkp
beat squirtle
beat taeja
beat drg
started off pretty meh, escalted quickly, pretty good path
there have been harder roads for sure any idea of who? sorry my history is weak. i know all the champs just can't remember any incredible runs aside from face rolls (NesTea, Squirtle) i think mvp had a harder one polt, mc, nestea, huk, july, top MC won the official group of death convincingly. so did mvp during his run mvp > mc mvp > polt both recently champions. mc won a pvp and against a derping mkp The main allegations against PvP are that it is a luck-based matchup. MC won that series with a 2gate robo hold against an UNSCOUTED 4gate, with the 2gate and Robo unpowered. Dismissing it as a PvP is retarded. robo builds hold 4gate unscouted with any amount of micro, unless they started with a pylon in your base Somebody doesn't play Protoss...
Yeah lol. Robo build only holds it if they never get vision up your ramp. Usually if they get 1 unit up to be able to warp in its gg. That hold was crazy.
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On July 19 2012 21:47 Whatson wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 21:45 oOOoOphidian wrote:On July 19 2012 21:42 SeaSwift wrote:On July 19 2012 21:41 opterown wrote:On July 19 2012 21:39 Ethi wrote:On July 19 2012 21:36 opterown wrote:On July 19 2012 21:35 NightOfTheDead wrote:On July 19 2012 21:33 opterown wrote:
lose to ganzi
beat sniper
beat ganzi
beat mkp
beat squirtle
beat taeja
beat drg
started off pretty meh, escalted quickly, pretty good path
there have been harder roads for sure Beat finalist, beat champion, and beat previous champion? How can there be a harder road? On July 19 2012 21:35 FataLe wrote:On July 19 2012 21:33 opterown wrote:
lose to ganzi
beat sniper
beat ganzi
beat mkp
beat squirtle
beat taeja
beat drg
started off pretty meh, escalted quickly, pretty good path
there have been harder roads for sure any idea of who? sorry my history is weak. i know all the champs just can't remember any incredible runs aside from face rolls (NesTea, Squirtle) i think mvp had a harder one polt, mc, nestea, huk, july, top MC won the official group of death convincingly. so did mvp during his run mvp > mc mvp > polt both recently champions. mc won a pvp and against a derping mkp The main allegations against PvP are that it is a luck-based matchup. MC won that series with a 2gate robo hold against an UNSCOUTED 4gate, with the 2gate and Robo unpowered. Dismissing it as a PvP is retarded. robo builds hold 4gate unscouted with any amount of micro, unless they started with a pylon in your base Somebody doesn't play Protoss...
And he didn't watch the game
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On July 19 2012 21:45 SeaSwift wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 21:45 oOOoOphidian wrote:On July 19 2012 21:42 SeaSwift wrote:On July 19 2012 21:41 opterown wrote:On July 19 2012 21:39 Ethi wrote:On July 19 2012 21:36 opterown wrote:On July 19 2012 21:35 NightOfTheDead wrote:On July 19 2012 21:33 opterown wrote:
lose to ganzi
beat sniper
beat ganzi
beat mkp
beat squirtle
beat taeja
beat drg
started off pretty meh, escalted quickly, pretty good path
there have been harder roads for sure Beat finalist, beat champion, and beat previous champion? How can there be a harder road? On July 19 2012 21:35 FataLe wrote:On July 19 2012 21:33 opterown wrote:
lose to ganzi
beat sniper
beat ganzi
beat mkp
beat squirtle
beat taeja
beat drg
started off pretty meh, escalted quickly, pretty good path
there have been harder roads for sure any idea of who? sorry my history is weak. i know all the champs just can't remember any incredible runs aside from face rolls (NesTea, Squirtle) i think mvp had a harder one polt, mc, nestea, huk, july, top MC won the official group of death convincingly. so did mvp during his run mvp > mc mvp > polt both recently champions. mc won a pvp and against a derping mkp The main allegations against PvP are that it is a luck-based matchup. MC won that series with a 2gate robo hold against an UNSCOUTED 4gate, with the 2gate and Robo unpowered. Dismissing it as a PvP is retarded. robo builds hold 4gate unscouted with any amount of micro, unless they started with a pylon in your base Squirtle got a pylon in MC's base.
I said start with pylon in base. As in, you have 2 warp-ins inside their base killing your production and probes already.
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On July 19 2012 21:48 oOOoOphidian wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 21:46 Dodgin wrote:On July 19 2012 21:45 oOOoOphidian wrote:On July 19 2012 21:42 SeaSwift wrote:On July 19 2012 21:41 opterown wrote:On July 19 2012 21:39 Ethi wrote:On July 19 2012 21:36 opterown wrote:On July 19 2012 21:35 NightOfTheDead wrote:On July 19 2012 21:33 opterown wrote:
lose to ganzi
beat sniper
beat ganzi
beat mkp
beat squirtle
beat taeja
beat drg
started off pretty meh, escalted quickly, pretty good path
there have been harder roads for sure Beat finalist, beat champion, and beat previous champion? How can there be a harder road? On July 19 2012 21:35 FataLe wrote:On July 19 2012 21:33 opterown wrote:
lose to ganzi
beat sniper
beat ganzi
beat mkp
beat squirtle
beat taeja
beat drg
started off pretty meh, escalted quickly, pretty good path
there have been harder roads for sure any idea of who? sorry my history is weak. i know all the champs just can't remember any incredible runs aside from face rolls (NesTea, Squirtle) i think mvp had a harder one polt, mc, nestea, huk, july, top MC won the official group of death convincingly. so did mvp during his run mvp > mc mvp > polt both recently champions. mc won a pvp and against a derping mkp The main allegations against PvP are that it is a luck-based matchup. MC won that series with a 2gate robo hold against an UNSCOUTED 4gate, with the 2gate and Robo unpowered. Dismissing it as a PvP is retarded. robo builds hold 4gate unscouted with any amount of micro, unless they started with a pylon in your base clearly you did not see the game, shit was crazy. I absolutely did. MC micro'd his units and won against a 4gate, like I said. Squirtle made a best effort with the failed all-in to unpower everything, but it didn't matter.
I... ok then. Never mind. It doesn't really matter anyway.
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On July 19 2012 21:48 ShampooSuicide wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 21:47 Whatson wrote:On July 19 2012 21:45 oOOoOphidian wrote:On July 19 2012 21:42 SeaSwift wrote:On July 19 2012 21:41 opterown wrote:On July 19 2012 21:39 Ethi wrote:On July 19 2012 21:36 opterown wrote:On July 19 2012 21:35 NightOfTheDead wrote:On July 19 2012 21:33 opterown wrote:
lose to ganzi
beat sniper
beat ganzi
beat mkp
beat squirtle
beat taeja
beat drg
started off pretty meh, escalted quickly, pretty good path
there have been harder roads for sure Beat finalist, beat champion, and beat previous champion? How can there be a harder road? On July 19 2012 21:35 FataLe wrote:On July 19 2012 21:33 opterown wrote:
lose to ganzi
beat sniper
beat ganzi
beat mkp
beat squirtle
beat taeja
beat drg
started off pretty meh, escalted quickly, pretty good path
there have been harder roads for sure any idea of who? sorry my history is weak. i know all the champs just can't remember any incredible runs aside from face rolls (NesTea, Squirtle) i think mvp had a harder one polt, mc, nestea, huk, july, top MC won the official group of death convincingly. so did mvp during his run mvp > mc mvp > polt both recently champions. mc won a pvp and against a derping mkp The main allegations against PvP are that it is a luck-based matchup. MC won that series with a 2gate robo hold against an UNSCOUTED 4gate, with the 2gate and Robo unpowered. Dismissing it as a PvP is retarded. robo builds hold 4gate unscouted with any amount of micro, unless they started with a pylon in your base Somebody doesn't play Protoss... Yeah lol. Robo build only holds it if they never get vision up your ramp. Usually if they get 1 unit up to be able to warp in its gg. That hold was crazy.
4 gate is out of style
1 gate builds beat it (alej's guide on our own strat forums). MC proves this quite often. The MU is not 4 gate anymore. Most people dislike it due to colo wars. I like the blink/immortal midgame though
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On July 19 2012 21:49 oOOoOphidian wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 21:45 SeaSwift wrote:On July 19 2012 21:45 oOOoOphidian wrote:On July 19 2012 21:42 SeaSwift wrote:On July 19 2012 21:41 opterown wrote:On July 19 2012 21:39 Ethi wrote:On July 19 2012 21:36 opterown wrote:On July 19 2012 21:35 NightOfTheDead wrote:On July 19 2012 21:33 opterown wrote:
lose to ganzi
beat sniper
beat ganzi
beat mkp
beat squirtle
beat taeja
beat drg
started off pretty meh, escalted quickly, pretty good path
there have been harder roads for sure Beat finalist, beat champion, and beat previous champion? How can there be a harder road? On July 19 2012 21:35 FataLe wrote:On July 19 2012 21:33 opterown wrote:
lose to ganzi
beat sniper
beat ganzi
beat mkp
beat squirtle
beat taeja
beat drg
started off pretty meh, escalted quickly, pretty good path
there have been harder roads for sure any idea of who? sorry my history is weak. i know all the champs just can't remember any incredible runs aside from face rolls (NesTea, Squirtle) i think mvp had a harder one polt, mc, nestea, huk, july, top MC won the official group of death convincingly. so did mvp during his run mvp > mc mvp > polt both recently champions. mc won a pvp and against a derping mkp The main allegations against PvP are that it is a luck-based matchup. MC won that series with a 2gate robo hold against an UNSCOUTED 4gate, with the 2gate and Robo unpowered. Dismissing it as a PvP is retarded. robo builds hold 4gate unscouted with any amount of micro, unless they started with a pylon in your base Squirtle got a pylon in MC's base. I said start with pylon in base. As in, you have 2 warp-ins inside their base killing your production and probes already.
OK, this is really something. You think that for a 4gate to work against a Robo build, there has to be an unscouted pylon INSIDE the main and 2 warp-ins, otherwise it's an auto-win for the Robo player? I said it doesn't matter any more, but this is hilarious.
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Bah I was rooting for Byun so it wouldn't become a PvP.. T_T
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PvP finals isn't something I look forward to, but cheering for MC nonetheless.
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Austria24420 Posts
On July 19 2012 21:48 ShampooSuicide wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 21:47 Whatson wrote:On July 19 2012 21:45 oOOoOphidian wrote:On July 19 2012 21:42 SeaSwift wrote:On July 19 2012 21:41 opterown wrote:On July 19 2012 21:39 Ethi wrote:On July 19 2012 21:36 opterown wrote:On July 19 2012 21:35 NightOfTheDead wrote:On July 19 2012 21:33 opterown wrote:
lose to ganzi
beat sniper
beat ganzi
beat mkp
beat squirtle
beat taeja
beat drg
started off pretty meh, escalted quickly, pretty good path
there have been harder roads for sure Beat finalist, beat champion, and beat previous champion? How can there be a harder road? On July 19 2012 21:35 FataLe wrote:On July 19 2012 21:33 opterown wrote:
lose to ganzi
beat sniper
beat ganzi
beat mkp
beat squirtle
beat taeja
beat drg
started off pretty meh, escalted quickly, pretty good path
there have been harder roads for sure any idea of who? sorry my history is weak. i know all the champs just can't remember any incredible runs aside from face rolls (NesTea, Squirtle) i think mvp had a harder one polt, mc, nestea, huk, july, top MC won the official group of death convincingly. so did mvp during his run mvp > mc mvp > polt both recently champions. mc won a pvp and against a derping mkp The main allegations against PvP are that it is a luck-based matchup. MC won that series with a 2gate robo hold against an UNSCOUTED 4gate, with the 2gate and Robo unpowered. Dismissing it as a PvP is retarded. robo builds hold 4gate unscouted with any amount of micro, unless they started with a pylon in your base Somebody doesn't play Protoss... Yeah lol. Robo build only holds it if they never get vision up your ramp. Usually if they get 1 unit up to be able to warp in its gg. That hold was crazy.
Just casually mentioning that HerO held not one, but two unscouted 4gates in one day while going two gate blink. With blink not even halfway done. So basically 2gate > 4gate. If you're HerO.
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0 points in the liquidbet ... wauw just wauw. Grats to the winners, intrested in the Byun/Seed games will watch later.
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Mc is on fire...much a boss!
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On July 19 2012 21:46 Kommander wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 21:44 Tachion wrote:On July 19 2012 21:41 oOOoOphidian wrote:On July 19 2012 21:40 Clefairy wrote:
I wish Blizzard would fix PvP so that the expectation of shitty games didn't exist. remove colossus that literally solves every problem with the matchup from a spectator point of view Without colossus PvP would be all chargelot archon ;p They need another robotics unit. some sort of scarab shooting type of unit maybe! As a protoss player (and I'm sure other protoss would agree with me), I would be all for the removal of the colossus and replacing it with the reaver or a similar type of unit. I don't know though, Browder and his "oh but it looks so cool it shoots laserzz!!!" approach would probably prevent that.
No. I want the Colossus. Although if they buffed Gateway units, I may be more receptive to the Colossus being removed.
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Man... this is disappointing, drg's zvp looks horrendous, he needs to learn from stephano. Gratz to MC,but i hope seed wins the finals.
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