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On July 19 2012 21:36 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 21:35 NightOfTheDead wrote:On July 19 2012 21:33 opterown wrote:
lose to ganzi
beat sniper
beat ganzi
beat mkp
beat squirtle
beat taeja
beat drg
started off pretty meh, escalted quickly, pretty good path
there have been harder roads for sure Beat finalist, beat champion, and beat previous champion? How can there be a harder road? Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 21:35 FataLe wrote:On July 19 2012 21:33 opterown wrote:
lose to ganzi
beat sniper
beat ganzi
beat mkp
beat squirtle
beat taeja
beat drg
started off pretty meh, escalted quickly, pretty good path
there have been harder roads for sure any idea of who? sorry my history is weak. i know all the champs just can't remember any incredible runs aside from face rolls (NesTea, Squirtle) i think mvp had a harder one polt, mc, nestea, huk, july, top
yea that run's great.
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On July 19 2012 21:36 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 21:35 NightOfTheDead wrote:On July 19 2012 21:33 opterown wrote:
lose to ganzi
beat sniper
beat ganzi
beat mkp
beat squirtle
beat taeja
beat drg
started off pretty meh, escalted quickly, pretty good path
there have been harder roads for sure Beat finalist, beat champion, and beat previous champion? How can there be a harder road? Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 21:35 FataLe wrote:On July 19 2012 21:33 opterown wrote:
lose to ganzi
beat sniper
beat ganzi
beat mkp
beat squirtle
beat taeja
beat drg
started off pretty meh, escalted quickly, pretty good path
there have been harder roads for sure any idea of who? sorry my history is weak. i know all the champs just can't remember any incredible runs aside from face rolls (NesTea, Squirtle) i think mvp had a harder one polt, mc, nestea, huk, july, top
MC won the official group of death convincingly.
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1st ever GSL finals that I will not watch. Even though I'm terran i watch Pvz, ZvZ, but this one is an exception 
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so sad worst possible outcome for today....
First GSL finals I have no desire to watch whatsoever. In fact, don't even have to look to know whos going to win this one.
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On July 19 2012 21:34 Huragius wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 21:28 MajorityofOne wrote:On July 19 2012 21:28 Huragius wrote:On July 19 2012 21:26 SeaSwift wrote:On July 19 2012 21:25 Huragius wrote:On July 19 2012 21:24 Ansinjunger wrote:On July 19 2012 21:21 kheldorin wrote:On July 19 2012 21:20 polyphonyEX wrote:
Why are people assuming that it's going to be the worst finals ever just because it's PvP? Such narrow minded thinking. There has always been a lot of anti-Protoss whiners in this forum. PvP is often the most entertaining PvX matchup. I really enjoy the intense micro situations, although sometimes it really does snowball after a single volley vs a single mis-micro. Cut the crap please... Stop using your opinion as a fact. Or maybe that was his opinion, and you telling him it was crap is you presenting your opinion as fact? Statistically (from big majority of polls on TL) PvP was found as one of the most boring match-up. A collection of opinions is no more a fact than a single opinion Really ? Entertainment is a subjective thing. In order to find the most entertaining match-up (a match-up which is liked by the most of the sc2 community) you need a high sample size. In this case, one opinion is almost worthless, however 50000 opinions is not.
A subjective thing doesn't get more objective the more of it you have. It remains subjective. These circles we're tracing are just horrible, I'll take my leave to go celebrate MC's victory
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I wish Blizzard would fix PvP so that the expectation of shitty games didn't exist.
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On July 19 2012 21:36 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 21:35 NightOfTheDead wrote:On July 19 2012 21:33 opterown wrote:
lose to ganzi
beat sniper
beat ganzi
beat mkp
beat squirtle
beat taeja
beat drg
started off pretty meh, escalted quickly, pretty good path
there have been harder roads for sure Beat finalist, beat champion, and beat previous champion? How can there be a harder road? Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 21:35 FataLe wrote:On July 19 2012 21:33 opterown wrote:
lose to ganzi
beat sniper
beat ganzi
beat mkp
beat squirtle
beat taeja
beat drg
started off pretty meh, escalted quickly, pretty good path
there have been harder roads for sure any idea of who? sorry my history is weak. i know all the champs just can't remember any incredible runs aside from face rolls (NesTea, Squirtle) i think mvp had a harder one polt, mc, nestea, huk, july, top
Those are better players, but an easier format. Ro16 and Ro32 were best of 1 back then.
EDIT: My liquidbets have been trash these past few weeks...
But not today :D
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On July 19 2012 21:39 Ethi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 21:36 opterown wrote:On July 19 2012 21:35 NightOfTheDead wrote:On July 19 2012 21:33 opterown wrote:
lose to ganzi
beat sniper
beat ganzi
beat mkp
beat squirtle
beat taeja
beat drg
started off pretty meh, escalted quickly, pretty good path
there have been harder roads for sure Beat finalist, beat champion, and beat previous champion? How can there be a harder road? On July 19 2012 21:35 FataLe wrote:On July 19 2012 21:33 opterown wrote:
lose to ganzi
beat sniper
beat ganzi
beat mkp
beat squirtle
beat taeja
beat drg
started off pretty meh, escalted quickly, pretty good path
there have been harder roads for sure any idea of who? sorry my history is weak. i know all the champs just can't remember any incredible runs aside from face rolls (NesTea, Squirtle) i think mvp had a harder one polt, mc, nestea, huk, july, top MC won the official group of death convincingly.
so did mvp during his run
mvp > mc
mvp > polt
both recently champions.
mc won a pvp and against a derping mkp
On July 19 2012 21:40 Havik_ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 21:36 opterown wrote:On July 19 2012 21:35 NightOfTheDead wrote:On July 19 2012 21:33 opterown wrote:
lose to ganzi
beat sniper
beat ganzi
beat mkp
beat squirtle
beat taeja
beat drg
started off pretty meh, escalted quickly, pretty good path
there have been harder roads for sure Beat finalist, beat champion, and beat previous champion? How can there be a harder road? On July 19 2012 21:35 FataLe wrote:On July 19 2012 21:33 opterown wrote:
lose to ganzi
beat sniper
beat ganzi
beat mkp
beat squirtle
beat taeja
beat drg
started off pretty meh, escalted quickly, pretty good path
there have been harder roads for sure any idea of who? sorry my history is weak. i know all the champs just can't remember any incredible runs aside from face rolls (NesTea, Squirtle) i think mvp had a harder one polt, mc, nestea, huk, july, top Those are better players, but an easier format. Ro16 and Ro32 were best of 1 back then.
true, but bo1 also means that it's easier to get knocked out by just one mistake. the bo3 is less punishing i feel since you can drop one map but come back
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On July 19 2012 21:40 Havik_ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 21:36 opterown wrote:On July 19 2012 21:35 NightOfTheDead wrote:On July 19 2012 21:33 opterown wrote:
lose to ganzi
beat sniper
beat ganzi
beat mkp
beat squirtle
beat taeja
beat drg
started off pretty meh, escalted quickly, pretty good path
there have been harder roads for sure Beat finalist, beat champion, and beat previous champion? How can there be a harder road? On July 19 2012 21:35 FataLe wrote:On July 19 2012 21:33 opterown wrote:
lose to ganzi
beat sniper
beat ganzi
beat mkp
beat squirtle
beat taeja
beat drg
started off pretty meh, escalted quickly, pretty good path
there have been harder roads for sure any idea of who? sorry my history is weak. i know all the champs just can't remember any incredible runs aside from face rolls (NesTea, Squirtle) i think mvp had a harder one polt, mc, nestea, huk, july, top Those are better players, but an easier format. Ro16 and Ro32 were best of 1 back then.
only ro32. ro16 was the start of bracket play where mvp beat nestea 2-0
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On July 19 2012 21:39 Ethi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 21:36 opterown wrote:On July 19 2012 21:35 NightOfTheDead wrote:On July 19 2012 21:33 opterown wrote:
lose to ganzi
beat sniper
beat ganzi
beat mkp
beat squirtle
beat taeja
beat drg
started off pretty meh, escalted quickly, pretty good path
there have been harder roads for sure Beat finalist, beat champion, and beat previous champion? How can there be a harder road? On July 19 2012 21:35 FataLe wrote:On July 19 2012 21:33 opterown wrote:
lose to ganzi
beat sniper
beat ganzi
beat mkp
beat squirtle
beat taeja
beat drg
started off pretty meh, escalted quickly, pretty good path
there have been harder roads for sure any idea of who? sorry my history is weak. i know all the champs just can't remember any incredible runs aside from face rolls (NesTea, Squirtle) i think mvp had a harder one polt, mc, nestea, huk, july, top MC won the official group of death convincingly.
MKP and Squirtle were not and still aren't GSL champions though like Polt, MC, and Nestea.
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On July 19 2012 21:34 mordk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 21:29 Teoita wrote:On July 19 2012 21:23 kheldorin wrote:On July 19 2012 21:21 WArped wrote:On July 19 2012 21:17 FataLe wrote:On July 19 2012 21:16 WArped wrote:So. Fucking. Sad. I wonder what was up with him today, nerves? Illness? Over-tired? Or none? Mc's just better at the moment? Anyone with a brain could see DRG wasn't playing 100%, still got capalised on by MC who looked very strong, but the games weren't even competitive. You think he's THAT much better than DRG, a player who has had absolutely rock solid ZvP and is probably the best player in the world? DRG was off it. But no one has analysed what he did wrong. It's just "He didn't play well" which is so vague. They should be pointing out the mistakes he made but the casters are not able to. Game 1: suicided an army trying to trade with mc's, doesn't target colossi properly. +1 corruptors end up being a huge waste of money Game 2: expands too slowly, donates roaches for free while MC takes no damage. Game 3: doesn't macro well enough to hold mc's 2base timing Happy now? Game 1: Agreed. He really fucked up with the corruptors Game 2: He may have expanded slowly, but there is merit to MC's defense. He barely lost any units, I think he lost 2 units while defending, 2 fucking units. Game 3: He was macroing fine, and he defended the main correctly, the mistake was actually letting MC rape the undefended third. The WP play was actually done, MC just seemed to casually notice that the 3rd wasn't defended at all and decided to end the game.
Exactly. If MVP had lost against Squirtle in the GSL finals, everyone would be saying that he isn't playing his usual macro style and his 2-base all-ins are him just playing badly but when he wins, he is suddenly a genius. Except for maybe Game 1, DRG didn't make any major mistakes. MC was just a better player than DRG was in that series. And people are not giving him the credit he deserved for being better.
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On July 19 2012 21:40 Havik_ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 21:36 opterown wrote:On July 19 2012 21:35 NightOfTheDead wrote:On July 19 2012 21:33 opterown wrote:
lose to ganzi
beat sniper
beat ganzi
beat mkp
beat squirtle
beat taeja
beat drg
started off pretty meh, escalted quickly, pretty good path
there have been harder roads for sure Beat finalist, beat champion, and beat previous champion? How can there be a harder road? On July 19 2012 21:35 FataLe wrote:On July 19 2012 21:33 opterown wrote:
lose to ganzi
beat sniper
beat ganzi
beat mkp
beat squirtle
beat taeja
beat drg
started off pretty meh, escalted quickly, pretty good path
there have been harder roads for sure any idea of who? sorry my history is weak. i know all the champs just can't remember any incredible runs aside from face rolls (NesTea, Squirtle) i think mvp had a harder one polt, mc, nestea, huk, july, top Those are better players, but an easier format. Ro16 and Ro32 were best of 1 back then.
Bo1 is not an easier format for the better player.
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Austria24417 Posts
PVP FINALS FOR JUSTICE! Seed is my HerO today!
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On July 19 2012 21:40 Clefairy wrote:
I wish Blizzard would fix PvP so that the expectation of shitty games didn't exist.
remove colossus
that literally solves every problem with the matchup from a spectator point of view
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United Kingdom38149 Posts
On July 19 2012 21:40 Havik_ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 21:36 opterown wrote:On July 19 2012 21:35 NightOfTheDead wrote:On July 19 2012 21:33 opterown wrote:
lose to ganzi
beat sniper
beat ganzi
beat mkp
beat squirtle
beat taeja
beat drg
started off pretty meh, escalted quickly, pretty good path
there have been harder roads for sure Beat finalist, beat champion, and beat previous champion? How can there be a harder road? On July 19 2012 21:35 FataLe wrote:On July 19 2012 21:33 opterown wrote:
lose to ganzi
beat sniper
beat ganzi
beat mkp
beat squirtle
beat taeja
beat drg
started off pretty meh, escalted quickly, pretty good path
there have been harder roads for sure any idea of who? sorry my history is weak. i know all the champs just can't remember any incredible runs aside from face rolls (NesTea, Squirtle) i think mvp had a harder one polt, mc, nestea, huk, july, top Those are better players, but an easier format. Ro16 and Ro32 were best of 1 back then.
It's not an easier format, it's a less forgiving format.
On July 19 2012 21:41 oOOoOphidian wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 21:40 Clefairy wrote:
I wish Blizzard would fix PvP so that the expectation of shitty games didn't exist. remove colossus that literally solves every problem with the matchup from a spectator point of view
let's be honest, it probably solves half the issues with Protoss match ups in general lol T_T
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On July 19 2012 21:41 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 21:39 Ethi wrote:On July 19 2012 21:36 opterown wrote:On July 19 2012 21:35 NightOfTheDead wrote:On July 19 2012 21:33 opterown wrote:
lose to ganzi
beat sniper
beat ganzi
beat mkp
beat squirtle
beat taeja
beat drg
started off pretty meh, escalted quickly, pretty good path
there have been harder roads for sure Beat finalist, beat champion, and beat previous champion? How can there be a harder road? On July 19 2012 21:35 FataLe wrote:On July 19 2012 21:33 opterown wrote:
lose to ganzi
beat sniper
beat ganzi
beat mkp
beat squirtle
beat taeja
beat drg
started off pretty meh, escalted quickly, pretty good path
there have been harder roads for sure any idea of who? sorry my history is weak. i know all the champs just can't remember any incredible runs aside from face rolls (NesTea, Squirtle) i think mvp had a harder one polt, mc, nestea, huk, july, top MC won the official group of death convincingly. so did mvp during his run mvp > mc mvp > polt both recently champions. mc won a pvp and against a derping mkp
MC won the most earth shattering and gritting PvP of all time
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On July 19 2012 21:41 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 21:39 Ethi wrote:On July 19 2012 21:36 opterown wrote:On July 19 2012 21:35 NightOfTheDead wrote:On July 19 2012 21:33 opterown wrote:
lose to ganzi
beat sniper
beat ganzi
beat mkp
beat squirtle
beat taeja
beat drg
started off pretty meh, escalted quickly, pretty good path
there have been harder roads for sure Beat finalist, beat champion, and beat previous champion? How can there be a harder road? On July 19 2012 21:35 FataLe wrote:On July 19 2012 21:33 opterown wrote:
lose to ganzi
beat sniper
beat ganzi
beat mkp
beat squirtle
beat taeja
beat drg
started off pretty meh, escalted quickly, pretty good path
there have been harder roads for sure any idea of who? sorry my history is weak. i know all the champs just can't remember any incredible runs aside from face rolls (NesTea, Squirtle) i think mvp had a harder one polt, mc, nestea, huk, july, top MC won the official group of death convincingly. so did mvp during his run mvp > mc mvp > polt both recently champions. mc won a pvp and against a derping mkp
The main allegations against PvP are that it is a luck-based matchup.
MC won that series with a 2gate robo hold against an UNSCOUTED 4gate, with the 2gate and Robo unpowered.
Dismissing it as a PvP is retarded.
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On July 19 2012 21:39 Ace1123 wrote:1st ever GSL finals that I will not watch. Even though I'm terran i watch Pvz, ZvZ, but this one is an exception
i dont understand people who watch SC2 for just 1 or 2 MU's...your missing like a 1/3rd of the game or more
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On July 19 2012 21:40 Havik_ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 21:36 opterown wrote:On July 19 2012 21:35 NightOfTheDead wrote:On July 19 2012 21:33 opterown wrote:
lose to ganzi
beat sniper
beat ganzi
beat mkp
beat squirtle
beat taeja
beat drg
started off pretty meh, escalted quickly, pretty good path
there have been harder roads for sure Beat finalist, beat champion, and beat previous champion? How can there be a harder road? On July 19 2012 21:35 FataLe wrote:On July 19 2012 21:33 opterown wrote:
lose to ganzi
beat sniper
beat ganzi
beat mkp
beat squirtle
beat taeja
beat drg
started off pretty meh, escalted quickly, pretty good path
there have been harder roads for sure any idea of who? sorry my history is weak. i know all the champs just can't remember any incredible runs aside from face rolls (NesTea, Squirtle) i think mvp had a harder one polt, mc, nestea, huk, july, top Those are better players, but an easier format. Ro16 and Ro32 were best of 1 back then.
Ro16 was actually just a sIngle bo3 in gsl August but still easier than groups
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United States97274 Posts
On July 19 2012 21:41 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 21:39 Ethi wrote:On July 19 2012 21:36 opterown wrote:On July 19 2012 21:35 NightOfTheDead wrote:On July 19 2012 21:33 opterown wrote:
lose to ganzi
beat sniper
beat ganzi
beat mkp
beat squirtle
beat taeja
beat drg
started off pretty meh, escalted quickly, pretty good path
there have been harder roads for sure Beat finalist, beat champion, and beat previous champion? How can there be a harder road? On July 19 2012 21:35 FataLe wrote:On July 19 2012 21:33 opterown wrote:
lose to ganzi
beat sniper
beat ganzi
beat mkp
beat squirtle
beat taeja
beat drg
started off pretty meh, escalted quickly, pretty good path
there have been harder roads for sure any idea of who? sorry my history is weak. i know all the champs just can't remember any incredible runs aside from face rolls (NesTea, Squirtle) i think mvp had a harder one polt, mc, nestea, huk, july, top MC won the official group of death convincingly. so did mvp during his run mvp > mc mvp > polt both recently champions. mc won a pvp and against a derping mkp Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 21:40 Havik_ wrote:On July 19 2012 21:36 opterown wrote:On July 19 2012 21:35 NightOfTheDead wrote:On July 19 2012 21:33 opterown wrote:
lose to ganzi
beat sniper
beat ganzi
beat mkp
beat squirtle
beat taeja
beat drg
started off pretty meh, escalted quickly, pretty good path
there have been harder roads for sure Beat finalist, beat champion, and beat previous champion? How can there be a harder road? On July 19 2012 21:35 FataLe wrote:On July 19 2012 21:33 opterown wrote:
lose to ganzi
beat sniper
beat ganzi
beat mkp
beat squirtle
beat taeja
beat drg
started off pretty meh, escalted quickly, pretty good path
there have been harder roads for sure any idea of who? sorry my history is weak. i know all the champs just can't remember any incredible runs aside from face rolls (NesTea, Squirtle) i think mvp had a harder one polt, mc, nestea, huk, july, top Those are better players, but an easier format. Ro16 and Ro32 were best of 1 back then. true, but bo1 also means that it's easier to get knocked out by just one mistake. the bo3 is less punishing i feel since you can drop one map but come back
Not only were they all GSL champions, they were all the most recent GSL champions(excluding Mvp's own championship in the GSL WC since he cant play himself because the technology is not there yet). GSL March, May, Super Tournament, and July
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