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France9034 Posts
On July 19 2012 21:41 DarkLordOlli wrote:
PVP FINALS FOR JUSTICE! Seed is my HerO today!
Yeah, no matter how much zergs complain about GomTvT era, Protosses deserves more a champion.
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On July 19 2012 21:42 ohampatu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 21:39 Ace1123 wrote:1st ever GSL finals that I will not watch. Even though I'm terran i watch Pvz, ZvZ, but this one is an exception  i dont understand people who watch SC2 for just 1 or 2 MU's...your missing like a 1/3rd of the game or more
Wrong quote? He basically said he watches every single mu apart from PvP. Same as me, I just downright hate PvP to be honest.
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gogoog mc,, hyped for the pvp final
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On July 19 2012 21:41 Ysellian wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 21:40 Havik_ wrote:On July 19 2012 21:36 opterown wrote:On July 19 2012 21:35 NightOfTheDead wrote:On July 19 2012 21:33 opterown wrote:
lose to ganzi
beat sniper
beat ganzi
beat mkp
beat squirtle
beat taeja
beat drg
started off pretty meh, escalted quickly, pretty good path
there have been harder roads for sure Beat finalist, beat champion, and beat previous champion? How can there be a harder road? On July 19 2012 21:35 FataLe wrote:On July 19 2012 21:33 opterown wrote:
lose to ganzi
beat sniper
beat ganzi
beat mkp
beat squirtle
beat taeja
beat drg
started off pretty meh, escalted quickly, pretty good path
there have been harder roads for sure any idea of who? sorry my history is weak. i know all the champs just can't remember any incredible runs aside from face rolls (NesTea, Squirtle) i think mvp had a harder one polt, mc, nestea, huk, july, top Those are better players, but an easier format. Ro16 and Ro32 were best of 1 back then. Bo1 is not an easier format for the better player.
However in the case of MVP specifically, he stated himself he much prefers the bo1 format, he obviously feels comfortable under the pressure and with his skill it'd definitely be scary to vs him in one.
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On July 19 2012 21:41 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 21:39 Ethi wrote:On July 19 2012 21:36 opterown wrote:On July 19 2012 21:35 NightOfTheDead wrote:On July 19 2012 21:33 opterown wrote:
lose to ganzi
beat sniper
beat ganzi
beat mkp
beat squirtle
beat taeja
beat drg
started off pretty meh, escalted quickly, pretty good path
there have been harder roads for sure Beat finalist, beat champion, and beat previous champion? How can there be a harder road? On July 19 2012 21:35 FataLe wrote:On July 19 2012 21:33 opterown wrote:
lose to ganzi
beat sniper
beat ganzi
beat mkp
beat squirtle
beat taeja
beat drg
started off pretty meh, escalted quickly, pretty good path
there have been harder roads for sure any idea of who? sorry my history is weak. i know all the champs just can't remember any incredible runs aside from face rolls (NesTea, Squirtle) i think mvp had a harder one polt, mc, nestea, huk, july, top MC won the official group of death convincingly. so did mvp during his run mvp > mc mvp > polt both recently champions. mc won a pvp and against a derping mkp Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 21:40 Havik_ wrote:On July 19 2012 21:36 opterown wrote:On July 19 2012 21:35 NightOfTheDead wrote:On July 19 2012 21:33 opterown wrote:
lose to ganzi
beat sniper
beat ganzi
beat mkp
beat squirtle
beat taeja
beat drg
started off pretty meh, escalted quickly, pretty good path
there have been harder roads for sure Beat finalist, beat champion, and beat previous champion? How can there be a harder road? On July 19 2012 21:35 FataLe wrote:On July 19 2012 21:33 opterown wrote:
lose to ganzi
beat sniper
beat ganzi
beat mkp
beat squirtle
beat taeja
beat drg
started off pretty meh, escalted quickly, pretty good path
there have been harder roads for sure any idea of who? sorry my history is weak. i know all the champs just can't remember any incredible runs aside from face rolls (NesTea, Squirtle) i think mvp had a harder one polt, mc, nestea, huk, july, top Those are better players, but an easier format. Ro16 and Ro32 were best of 1 back then. true, but bo1 also means that it's easier to get knocked out by just one mistake. the bo3 is less punishing i feel since you can drop one map but come back ...and then he roflstomps the -supposed to be- best player in the world with 3:0. Arguing seems a bit silly.
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On July 19 2012 21:41 oOOoOphidian wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 21:40 Clefairy wrote:
I wish Blizzard would fix PvP so that the expectation of shitty games didn't exist. remove colossus that literally solves every problem with the matchup from a spectator point of view
Without colossus PvP would be all chargelot archon ;p They need another robotics unit. some sort of scarab shooting type of unit maybe!
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On July 19 2012 21:36 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 21:35 NightOfTheDead wrote:On July 19 2012 21:33 opterown wrote:
lose to ganzi
beat sniper
beat ganzi
beat mkp
beat squirtle
beat taeja
beat drg
started off pretty meh, escalted quickly, pretty good path
there have been harder roads for sure Beat finalist, beat champion, and beat previous champion? How can there be a harder road? Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 21:35 FataLe wrote:On July 19 2012 21:33 opterown wrote:
lose to ganzi
beat sniper
beat ganzi
beat mkp
beat squirtle
beat taeja
beat drg
started off pretty meh, escalted quickly, pretty good path
there have been harder roads for sure any idea of who? sorry my history is weak. i know all the champs just can't remember any incredible runs aside from face rolls (NesTea, Squirtle) i think mvp had a harder one polt, mc, nestea, huk, july, top
I would say having in mind player from at that time, when MVP won, and now MC road, i would say pretty equal, except that DRG was underperfoming hard today. Although MC was on the ropes vs Squirtle. Squirtle played very very good.
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On July 19 2012 21:43 Ysellian wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 21:42 ohampatu wrote:On July 19 2012 21:39 Ace1123 wrote:1st ever GSL finals that I will not watch. Even though I'm terran i watch Pvz, ZvZ, but this one is an exception i dont understand people who watch SC2 for just 1 or 2 MU's...your missing like a 1/3rd of the game or more Wrong quote? He basically said he watches every single mu apart from PvP. Same as me, I just downright hate PvP to be honest.
Even if I hated a match up enough to not watch it normally I would never miss a GSL finals, because It's a GSL finals.
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On July 19 2012 21:42 SeaSwift wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 21:41 opterown wrote:On July 19 2012 21:39 Ethi wrote:On July 19 2012 21:36 opterown wrote:On July 19 2012 21:35 NightOfTheDead wrote:On July 19 2012 21:33 opterown wrote:
lose to ganzi
beat sniper
beat ganzi
beat mkp
beat squirtle
beat taeja
beat drg
started off pretty meh, escalted quickly, pretty good path
there have been harder roads for sure Beat finalist, beat champion, and beat previous champion? How can there be a harder road? On July 19 2012 21:35 FataLe wrote:On July 19 2012 21:33 opterown wrote:
lose to ganzi
beat sniper
beat ganzi
beat mkp
beat squirtle
beat taeja
beat drg
started off pretty meh, escalted quickly, pretty good path
there have been harder roads for sure any idea of who? sorry my history is weak. i know all the champs just can't remember any incredible runs aside from face rolls (NesTea, Squirtle) i think mvp had a harder one polt, mc, nestea, huk, july, top MC won the official group of death convincingly. so did mvp during his run mvp > mc mvp > polt both recently champions. mc won a pvp and against a derping mkp The main allegations against PvP are that it is a luck-based matchup. MC won that series with a 2gate robo hold against an UNSCOUTED 4gate, with the 2gate and Robo unpowered. Dismissing it as a PvP is retarded.
robo builds hold 4gate unscouted with any amount of micro, unless they started with a pylon in your base
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On July 19 2012 21:42 ohampatu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 21:39 Ace1123 wrote:1st ever GSL finals that I will not watch. Even though I'm terran i watch Pvz, ZvZ, but this one is an exception i dont understand people who watch SC2 for just 1 or 2 MU's...your missing like a 1/3rd of the game or more
What is the reason you did not practice for this?
In my opinion, PvPs are 80% luck and 20% skill. That's why instead of needlessly practicing for this, I left it all up to chance. If you get your build orders mix matched with your opponent's, you cannot win.
-Parting yesterdays winners interview
if the players don't even respect the matchup, why should anyone else?
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On July 19 2012 21:45 oOOoOphidian wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 21:42 SeaSwift wrote:On July 19 2012 21:41 opterown wrote:On July 19 2012 21:39 Ethi wrote:On July 19 2012 21:36 opterown wrote:On July 19 2012 21:35 NightOfTheDead wrote:On July 19 2012 21:33 opterown wrote:
lose to ganzi
beat sniper
beat ganzi
beat mkp
beat squirtle
beat taeja
beat drg
started off pretty meh, escalted quickly, pretty good path
there have been harder roads for sure Beat finalist, beat champion, and beat previous champion? How can there be a harder road? On July 19 2012 21:35 FataLe wrote:On July 19 2012 21:33 opterown wrote:
lose to ganzi
beat sniper
beat ganzi
beat mkp
beat squirtle
beat taeja
beat drg
started off pretty meh, escalted quickly, pretty good path
there have been harder roads for sure any idea of who? sorry my history is weak. i know all the champs just can't remember any incredible runs aside from face rolls (NesTea, Squirtle) i think mvp had a harder one polt, mc, nestea, huk, july, top MC won the official group of death convincingly. so did mvp during his run mvp > mc mvp > polt both recently champions. mc won a pvp and against a derping mkp The main allegations against PvP are that it is a luck-based matchup. MC won that series with a 2gate robo hold against an UNSCOUTED 4gate, with the 2gate and Robo unpowered. Dismissing it as a PvP is retarded. robo builds hold 4gate unscouted with any amount of micro, unless they started with a pylon in your base
Squirtle got a pylon in MC's base.
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United States97276 Posts
On July 19 2012 21:44 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 21:43 Ysellian wrote:On July 19 2012 21:42 ohampatu wrote:On July 19 2012 21:39 Ace1123 wrote:1st ever GSL finals that I will not watch. Even though I'm terran i watch Pvz, ZvZ, but this one is an exception i dont understand people who watch SC2 for just 1 or 2 MU's...your missing like a 1/3rd of the game or more Wrong quote? He basically said he watches every single mu apart from PvP. Same as me, I just downright hate PvP to be honest. Even if I hated a match up enough to not watch it normally I would never miss a GSL finals, because It's a GSL finals.
Normally I agree and I will definitely watch this one. I have never watched InCa vs Nestea. when I saw that InCa 0% PvZ win rate vs Nestea who was still like 85% ZvP at the time, I went ahead and called it a day
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On July 19 2012 21:39 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 21:38 revel8 wrote:On July 19 2012 21:35 Ethi wrote:On July 19 2012 21:28 ShampooSuicide wrote:On July 19 2012 21:21 bittman wrote:On July 19 2012 21:17 FataLe wrote:On July 19 2012 21:16 WArped wrote:So. Fucking. Sad. I wonder what was up with him today, nerves? Illness? Over-tired? Or none? Mc's just better at the moment? As a fan of both: MC was indeed better today, no doubt. That said DRG's play was particularly poor. I was worried last week in his vs Naniwa, but he mentioned in the interview that the builds threw him off which is why it looked closer than I expected I thought. But DRG hasn't looked good vP in a very recent number of games. Odd, but perhaps he's struggling with the MU more than he knows. Either way, not taking it away from MC or Naniwa previously. DRG played poor, but he's still probably the best player in the world. Maybe it is a practice partner match up problem. MVP has some protoss but comparing them to the ST protoss or MC they fall way behind. He can maybe hold all pushes from other protoss but MC is a different beast with his control. Even so though today was very lack luster play from DRG. So happy about MC making it to the finals. MC even has no teammates to practise with. But MC said a while ago that he practises a lot with Symbol. MC might not have team-mates exactly, but he has friends and former team-mates to practice with. He said at NASL he had spent the previous few days practicising a lot with Hero and Ret. I think MC is probably popular and can find friends to practice with if he needs it. He's also really good friends with Marineking and Parting so he probably gets a lot of PvT and PvP practice with them
I don't think MC has much of a problem finding practice partners, he is pretty well known and if you have problems holding protoss pushes he is the person you want to practice with. If you can hold his version can pretty much hold anyones. Another note though MC has had some of the most exciting PvP series i can remember. The MC vs JYP at home story cup 4 was one of the most exciting matches i have seen. I was so on edge there and it even went 6 games in a best of 5 lol
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On July 19 2012 21:45 oOOoOphidian wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 21:42 SeaSwift wrote:On July 19 2012 21:41 opterown wrote:On July 19 2012 21:39 Ethi wrote:On July 19 2012 21:36 opterown wrote:On July 19 2012 21:35 NightOfTheDead wrote:On July 19 2012 21:33 opterown wrote:
lose to ganzi
beat sniper
beat ganzi
beat mkp
beat squirtle
beat taeja
beat drg
started off pretty meh, escalted quickly, pretty good path
there have been harder roads for sure Beat finalist, beat champion, and beat previous champion? How can there be a harder road? On July 19 2012 21:35 FataLe wrote:On July 19 2012 21:33 opterown wrote:
lose to ganzi
beat sniper
beat ganzi
beat mkp
beat squirtle
beat taeja
beat drg
started off pretty meh, escalted quickly, pretty good path
there have been harder roads for sure any idea of who? sorry my history is weak. i know all the champs just can't remember any incredible runs aside from face rolls (NesTea, Squirtle) i think mvp had a harder one polt, mc, nestea, huk, july, top MC won the official group of death convincingly. so did mvp during his run mvp > mc mvp > polt both recently champions. mc won a pvp and against a derping mkp The main allegations against PvP are that it is a luck-based matchup. MC won that series with a 2gate robo hold against an UNSCOUTED 4gate, with the 2gate and Robo unpowered. Dismissing it as a PvP is retarded. robo builds hold 4gate unscouted with any amount of micro, unless they started with a pylon in your base
clearly you did not see the game, shit was crazy.
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First thing i thought when I saw the MC - DRG scores "Wow, MC must have some sick new timings, gotta copy!"
But now after reading the LR threads "WTF MC beat DRG in straight-up macro games? GG"
PvP finals, should be interesting
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On July 19 2012 21:39 FataLe wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 21:36 opterown wrote:On July 19 2012 21:35 NightOfTheDead wrote:On July 19 2012 21:33 opterown wrote:
lose to ganzi
beat sniper
beat ganzi
beat mkp
beat squirtle
beat taeja
beat drg
started off pretty meh, escalted quickly, pretty good path
there have been harder roads for sure Beat finalist, beat champion, and beat previous champion? How can there be a harder road? On July 19 2012 21:35 FataLe wrote:On July 19 2012 21:33 opterown wrote:
lose to ganzi
beat sniper
beat ganzi
beat mkp
beat squirtle
beat taeja
beat drg
started off pretty meh, escalted quickly, pretty good path
there have been harder roads for sure any idea of who? sorry my history is weak. i know all the champs just can't remember any incredible runs aside from face rolls (NesTea, Squirtle) i think mvp had a harder one polt, mc, nestea, huk, july, top yea that run's great.
Even MVP's last run was sick: Ryung (twice), Puzzle, July, Hero, Leenock, Naniwa, Parting, Squirtle. Parting and Naniwa in their best matchups, Squirtle on a sick tear, Leenock and Ryung both celebrated terran killers. All in series play, too, rather than best of ones.
And it's not as though Squirtle's, DRG's or Genius' runs to the finals were easy, either. It's getting pretty damn hard to get to the finals in GSL. It's going to be just about impossible for people to emulate Inca's run to the finals, for instance. You have to be a superb player. MC and Seed are just showing how true this is.
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On July 19 2012 21:44 Tachion wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 21:41 oOOoOphidian wrote:On July 19 2012 21:40 Clefairy wrote:
I wish Blizzard would fix PvP so that the expectation of shitty games didn't exist. remove colossus that literally solves every problem with the matchup from a spectator point of view Without colossus PvP would be all chargelot archon ;p They need another robotics unit. some sort of scarab shooting type of unit maybe!
chargelot archon storm? that went poorly for BW?
I love phoenix, immortal drops, blink obs, etc. It's just mass colossus turtle is the absolute worst part of the game.
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On July 19 2012 21:44 Tachion wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 21:41 oOOoOphidian wrote:On July 19 2012 21:40 Clefairy wrote:
I wish Blizzard would fix PvP so that the expectation of shitty games didn't exist. remove colossus that literally solves every problem with the matchup from a spectator point of view Without colossus PvP would be all chargelot archon ;p They need another robotics unit. some sort of scarab shooting type of unit maybe!
As a protoss player (and I'm sure other protoss would agree with me), I would be all for the removal of the colossus and replacing it with the reaver or a similar type of unit.
I don't know though, Browder and his "oh but it looks so cool it shoots laserzz!!!" approach would probably prevent that.
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United Kingdom38256 Posts
On July 19 2012 21:44 shizzz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 21:41 Ysellian wrote:On July 19 2012 21:40 Havik_ wrote:On July 19 2012 21:36 opterown wrote:On July 19 2012 21:35 NightOfTheDead wrote:On July 19 2012 21:33 opterown wrote:
lose to ganzi
beat sniper
beat ganzi
beat mkp
beat squirtle
beat taeja
beat drg
started off pretty meh, escalted quickly, pretty good path
there have been harder roads for sure Beat finalist, beat champion, and beat previous champion? How can there be a harder road? On July 19 2012 21:35 FataLe wrote:On July 19 2012 21:33 opterown wrote:
lose to ganzi
beat sniper
beat ganzi
beat mkp
beat squirtle
beat taeja
beat drg
started off pretty meh, escalted quickly, pretty good path
there have been harder roads for sure any idea of who? sorry my history is weak. i know all the champs just can't remember any incredible runs aside from face rolls (NesTea, Squirtle) i think mvp had a harder one polt, mc, nestea, huk, july, top Those are better players, but an easier format. Ro16 and Ro32 were best of 1 back then. Bo1 is not an easier format for the better player. However in the case of MVP specifically, he stated himself he much prefers the bo1 format, he obviously feels comfortable under the pressure and with his skill it'd definitely be scary to vs him in one.
MVP said he prefers bo1 because it requires less stamina which is currently a serious issue for him with his massive exploding wrist issues >_<
These weren't nearly as big a problem in the middle of last year...
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On July 19 2012 21:45 oOOoOphidian wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 21:42 SeaSwift wrote:On July 19 2012 21:41 opterown wrote:On July 19 2012 21:39 Ethi wrote:On July 19 2012 21:36 opterown wrote:On July 19 2012 21:35 NightOfTheDead wrote:On July 19 2012 21:33 opterown wrote:
lose to ganzi
beat sniper
beat ganzi
beat mkp
beat squirtle
beat taeja
beat drg
started off pretty meh, escalted quickly, pretty good path
there have been harder roads for sure Beat finalist, beat champion, and beat previous champion? How can there be a harder road? On July 19 2012 21:35 FataLe wrote:On July 19 2012 21:33 opterown wrote:
lose to ganzi
beat sniper
beat ganzi
beat mkp
beat squirtle
beat taeja
beat drg
started off pretty meh, escalted quickly, pretty good path
there have been harder roads for sure any idea of who? sorry my history is weak. i know all the champs just can't remember any incredible runs aside from face rolls (NesTea, Squirtle) i think mvp had a harder one polt, mc, nestea, huk, july, top MC won the official group of death convincingly. so did mvp during his run mvp > mc mvp > polt both recently champions. mc won a pvp and against a derping mkp The main allegations against PvP are that it is a luck-based matchup. MC won that series with a 2gate robo hold against an UNSCOUTED 4gate, with the 2gate and Robo unpowered. Dismissing it as a PvP is retarded. robo builds hold 4gate unscouted with any amount of micro, unless they started with a pylon in your base
Somebody doesn't play Protoss...
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