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FataLe
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand4516 Posts
July 19 2012 12:32 GMT
#3261
On July 19 2012 21:32 jkang wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2012 21:30 FataLe wrote:
Can anyone give me an idea if MC's current path to the finals has been the hardest ever?

Don't think so. But going through DRG makes it one of the harder ones.

Group of Death?
Ro8?

mm. there's an argument but I'm not aware of the history.
hi. big fan.
mycro
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden1579 Posts
July 19 2012 12:33 GMT
#3262
Hope there can be some sick PvP games in the finals instead.
ShotgunMike
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden241 Posts
July 19 2012 12:33 GMT
#3263
Will the Code S finals be shown on the free low quality stream? Or is it only available for subscribers?
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FairForever
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada2392 Posts
July 19 2012 12:33 GMT
#3264
On July 19 2012 21:32 SeaSwift wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2012 21:30 Femari wrote:
On July 19 2012 21:28 MajorityofOne wrote:
On July 19 2012 21:28 Huragius wrote:
On July 19 2012 21:26 SeaSwift wrote:
On July 19 2012 21:25 Huragius wrote:
On July 19 2012 21:24 Ansinjunger wrote:
On July 19 2012 21:21 kheldorin wrote:
On July 19 2012 21:20 polyphonyEX wrote:
Why are people assuming that it's going to be the worst finals ever just because it's PvP? Such narrow minded thinking.


There has always been a lot of anti-Protoss whiners in this forum.


PvP is often the most entertaining PvX matchup. I really enjoy the intense micro situations, although sometimes it really does snowball after a single volley vs a single mis-micro.


Cut the crap please...
Stop using your opinion as a fact.


Or maybe that was his opinion, and you telling him it was crap is you presenting your opinion as fact?


Statistically (from big majority of polls on TL) PvP was found as one of the most boring match-up.


A collection of opinions is no more a fact than a single opinion

And that collection of opinion is what determines is most entertaining. PvP is least entertaining because it entertains the least amount of people.


No it fucking doesn't. It represents what is most entertaining to the sample of people who took that poll.

It's like saying that Tony Blair was elected with a landslide victory, therefore he is factually a really good Prime Minister. You can't measure what is factually entertaining, it is subjective.


It doesn't even represent what is most entertaining - it simply represents that the selection of people who chose to took the poll (I didn't) were excited about a PvP matchup. TBH any matchup (except maybe ZvZ right now, due to the supposed "imbalances" of Zerg) would have a pretty high positive score on that poll.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
July 19 2012 12:33 GMT
#3265
lose to ganzi
beat sniper
beat ganzi

beat mkp
beat squirtle

beat taeja
beat drg

started off pretty meh, escalted quickly, pretty good path

there have been harder roads for sure
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Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
July 19 2012 12:33 GMT
#3266
On July 19 2012 21:33 ShotgunMike wrote:
Will the Code S finals be shown on the free low quality stream? Or is it only available for subscribers?


Nop there always is a low qual stream for every code s game. Only some code a games are only for subscribers.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
FataLe
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand4516 Posts
July 19 2012 12:33 GMT
#3267
On July 19 2012 21:32 Heavenlee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2012 21:30 FataLe wrote:
Can anyone give me an idea if MC's current path to the finals has been the hardest ever?


His Ro32 wasn't special (Ganzi and Sniper I think? Or some other semi-random zerg) but he took out Squirtle, MKP, Taeja, and DRG.

Yea I'm wondering if that justifies his Ro32 though, it's a toss up.
would like a comparison.
hi. big fan.
Talack
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada2742 Posts
July 19 2012 12:34 GMT
#3268
On July 19 2012 21:31 Havik_ wrote:
The people saying a PvP final would be bad are either haters or just haven't watched the matchup at all. There are viable fast expand builds now, Phoenix builds, Blink, builds, Immortal builds. Its the only Protoss match up where the whole tech tree is viable at any given time. The finals will be just as good as the last few finals as long as all the games aren't turtle up to max Colossus battles.


Or...

People have seen it, they've watched it and understand it....And still find the matchup incredibly boring :S
FakeDeath
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia6060 Posts
July 19 2012 12:34 GMT
#3269
On July 19 2012 21:32 NHY wrote:
I think DRG watched HSC & NASL, and though MC would play similarly. But since MC was hiding his build, he was caught off guard.


MC wasn't hiding any build.

MC played better.DRG played really subpar compare to his standard play today.Simple
Play your best
ShotgunMike
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden241 Posts
July 19 2012 12:34 GMT
#3270
On July 19 2012 21:33 Teoita wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2012 21:33 ShotgunMike wrote:
Will the Code S finals be shown on the free low quality stream? Or is it only available for subscribers?


Nop there always is a low qual stream for every code s game. Only some code a games are only for subscribers.



Ok, excellent! Thanks!
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revel8
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom3022 Posts
July 19 2012 12:34 GMT
#3271
On July 19 2012 21:30 4ZakeN87 wrote:
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On July 19 2012 21:22 mrtomjones wrote:
On July 19 2012 21:20 4ZakeN87 wrote:
I think you could at least make the argument that Stephano is best zerg in the world now.

People is always having different opinions about this but that we can even say that a foreigner might be the best player in the world in his race is really cool. I also think Stephano makes the best argument as of now, it is him or DRG.

Symbol looks very strong but have to few achievements to be called the best Zerg, Nestea have the achievements but have been lacking in performances for to long period to take that title as of now.

No. Until Stephano competes in the toughest tournament in the world he will only be able to be one of the best zergs. Unless he never loses another tournament anyways


Well I do not agree with that, it is only true in a world completely dominated by Koreans which is turning out to be less and less true in 2012. GSL is the biggest tournament and it matters a lot, but to say it it the only tournament that matters in the debate of who is the best SC2 player is Korean biased.

Some people might simply do not want to live in Korea for extend periods and practice for GSL. The fact that you have to live in Korea in order to compete in GSL will ensure that GSL always will be dominated by Koreans. Thus will this logic ensure that Koreans by definition always will be dominating each race.

With more and more Koreans flying out to tournaments all over the globe, with the amount of international tournaments and with smaller gap between foreign and Korean this point of view is becoming increasingly obsolete.



I will also add that KESPA tournaments will also lessen the importance of GSL, because at the very least they will compete with GSL in prestige, popularity and probably prize money.
Huragius
Profile Joined September 2010
Lithuania1506 Posts
July 19 2012 12:34 GMT
#3272
On July 19 2012 21:28 MajorityofOne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2012 21:28 Huragius wrote:
On July 19 2012 21:26 SeaSwift wrote:
On July 19 2012 21:25 Huragius wrote:
On July 19 2012 21:24 Ansinjunger wrote:
On July 19 2012 21:21 kheldorin wrote:
On July 19 2012 21:20 polyphonyEX wrote:
Why are people assuming that it's going to be the worst finals ever just because it's PvP? Such narrow minded thinking.


There has always been a lot of anti-Protoss whiners in this forum.


PvP is often the most entertaining PvX matchup. I really enjoy the intense micro situations, although sometimes it really does snowball after a single volley vs a single mis-micro.


Cut the crap please...
Stop using your opinion as a fact.


Or maybe that was his opinion, and you telling him it was crap is you presenting your opinion as fact?


Statistically (from big majority of polls on TL) PvP was found as one of the most boring match-up.


A collection of opinions is no more a fact than a single opinion


Really ?
Entertainment is a subjective thing. In order to find the most entertaining match-up (a match-up which is liked by the most of the sc2 community) you need a high sample size. In this case, one opinion is almost worthless, however 50000 opinions is not.
hai2u
Profile Joined September 2011
688 Posts
July 19 2012 12:34 GMT
#3273
MC should take hte finals pretty easily 4-1.
jkang
Profile Joined May 2011
United States404 Posts
July 19 2012 12:34 GMT
#3274
On July 19 2012 21:32 FataLe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2012 21:32 jkang wrote:
On July 19 2012 21:30 FataLe wrote:
Can anyone give me an idea if MC's current path to the finals has been the hardest ever?

Don't think so. But going through DRG makes it one of the harder ones.

Group of Death?
Ro8?

mm. there's an argument but I'm not aware of the history.

Forgot about the Group of Death, but I think Mvp's path was harder in his 3rd championship, except maybe the finals itself (but we are talking about the path to the finals here). I'm saying this even as a huge MC fan.
Havik_
Profile Joined November 2011
United States5585 Posts
July 19 2012 12:34 GMT
#3275
On July 19 2012 21:30 4ZakeN87 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2012 21:22 mrtomjones wrote:
On July 19 2012 21:20 4ZakeN87 wrote:
I think you could at least make the argument that Stephano is best zerg in the world now.

People is always having different opinions about this but that we can even say that a foreigner might be the best player in the world in his race is really cool. I also think Stephano makes the best argument as of now, it is him or DRG.

Symbol looks very strong but have to few achievements to be called the best Zerg, Nestea have the achievements but have been lacking in performances for to long period to take that title as of now.

No. Until Stephano competes in the toughest tournament in the world he will only be able to be one of the best zergs. Unless he never loses another tournament anyways


Well I do not agree with that, it is only true in a world completely dominated by Koreans which is turning out to be less and less true in 2012. GSL is the biggest tournament and it matters a lot, but to say it it the only tournament that matters in the debate of who is the best SC2 player is Korean biased.

Some people might simply do not want to live in Korea for extend periods and practice for GSL. The fact that you have to live in Korea in order to compete in GSL will ensure that GSL always will be dominated by Koreans. Thus will this logic ensure that Koreans by definition always will be dominating each race.

With more and more Koreans flying out to tournaments all over the globe, with the amount of international tournaments and with smaller gap between foreign and Korean this point of view is becoming increasingly obsolete.




True, very, very true, I think the format has something to do with it also. Having time to prepare for the matches leads to better games.

On July 19 2012 21:30 FataLe wrote:
Can anyone give me an idea if MC's current path to the finals has been the hardest ever?



It could be. Although his Ro32 group was pretty easy IIRC.


"An opinion is only as good as the evidence that backs it up."- William O'Malley, S.J.
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
July 19 2012 12:34 GMT
#3276
On July 19 2012 21:29 Teoita wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2012 21:23 kheldorin wrote:
On July 19 2012 21:21 WArped wrote:
On July 19 2012 21:17 FataLe wrote:
On July 19 2012 21:16 WArped wrote:
So. Fucking. Sad.

I wonder what was up with him today, nerves? Illness? Over-tired?


Or none?

Mc's just better at the moment?

Anyone with a brain could see DRG wasn't playing 100%, still got capalised on by MC who looked very strong, but the games weren't even competitive. You think he's THAT much better than DRG, a player who has had absolutely rock solid ZvP and is probably the best player in the world?

DRG was off it.


But no one has analysed what he did wrong. It's just "He didn't play well" which is so vague. They should be pointing out the mistakes he made but the casters are not able to.


Game 1: suicided an army trying to trade with mc's, doesn't target colossi properly. +1 corruptors end up being a huge waste of money
Game 2: expands too slowly, donates roaches for free while MC takes no damage.
Game 3: doesn't macro well enough to hold mc's 2base timing

Happy now?

Game 1: Agreed. He really fucked up with the corruptors
Game 2: He may have expanded slowly, but there is merit to MC's defense. He barely lost any units, I think he lost 2 units while defending, 2 fucking units.
Game 3: He was macroing fine, and he defended the main correctly, the mistake was actually letting MC rape the undefended third. The WP play was actually done, MC just seemed to casually notice that the 3rd wasn't defended at all and decided to end the game.
FataLe
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand4516 Posts
July 19 2012 12:35 GMT
#3277
On July 19 2012 21:33 opterown wrote:
lose to ganzi
beat sniper
beat ganzi

beat mkp
beat squirtle

beat taeja
beat drg

started off pretty meh, escalted quickly, pretty good path

there have been harder roads for sure

any idea of who?

sorry my history is weak. i know all the champs just can't remember any incredible runs aside from face rolls (NesTea, Squirtle)
hi. big fan.
NightOfTheDead
Profile Joined August 2009
Lithuania1711 Posts
July 19 2012 12:35 GMT
#3278
On July 19 2012 21:33 opterown wrote:
lose to ganzi
beat sniper
beat ganzi

beat mkp
beat squirtle

beat taeja
beat drg

started off pretty meh, escalted quickly, pretty good path

there have been harder roads for sure


Beat finalist, beat champion, and beat previous champion? How can there be a harder road?
sparklyresidue
Profile Joined August 2011
United States5523 Posts
July 19 2012 12:35 GMT
#3279
On July 19 2012 21:34 Talack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2012 21:31 Havik_ wrote:
The people saying a PvP final would be bad are either haters or just haven't watched the matchup at all. There are viable fast expand builds now, Phoenix builds, Blink, builds, Immortal builds. Its the only Protoss match up where the whole tech tree is viable at any given time. The finals will be just as good as the last few finals as long as all the games aren't turtle up to max Colossus battles.


Or...

People have seen it, they've watched it and understand it....And still find the matchup incredibly boring :S

This is how I feel... I think mirror matches tend to be a bit boring in a long series (i.e., a BO7 finals) and PvP is the worst of the three (though personally I have enjoyed it from time to time).
Like Tinkerbelle, I leave behind a sparkly residue.
Ethi
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany275 Posts
July 19 2012 12:35 GMT
#3280
On July 19 2012 21:28 ShampooSuicide wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2012 21:21 bittman wrote:
On July 19 2012 21:17 FataLe wrote:
On July 19 2012 21:16 WArped wrote:
So. Fucking. Sad.

I wonder what was up with him today, nerves? Illness? Over-tired?


Or none?

Mc's just better at the moment?


As a fan of both:

MC was indeed better today, no doubt. That said DRG's play was particularly poor. I was worried last week in his vs Naniwa, but he mentioned in the interview that the builds threw him off which is why it looked closer than I expected I thought.

But DRG hasn't looked good vP in a very recent number of games. Odd, but perhaps he's struggling with the MU more than he knows.

Either way, not taking it away from MC or Naniwa previously. DRG played poor, but he's still probably the best player in the world.


Maybe it is a practice partner match up problem. MVP has some protoss but comparing them to the ST protoss or MC they fall way behind. He can maybe hold all pushes from other protoss but MC is a different beast with his control. Even so though today was very lack luster play from DRG. So happy about MC making it to the finals.

MC even has no teammates to practise with. But MC said a while ago that he practises a lot with Symbol.
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