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FataLe
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand4532 Posts
July 19 2012 12:30 GMT
#3241
Can anyone give me an idea if MC's current path to the finals has been the hardest ever?
hi. big fan.
4ZakeN87
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden1071 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-19 12:34:44
July 19 2012 12:30 GMT
#3242
On July 19 2012 21:22 mrtomjones wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2012 21:20 4ZakeN87 wrote:
I think you could at least make the argument that Stephano is best zerg in the world now.

People is always having different opinions about this but that we can even say that a foreigner might be the best player in the world in his race is really cool. I also think Stephano makes the best argument as of now, it is him or DRG.

Symbol looks very strong but have to few achievements to be called the best Zerg, Nestea have the achievements but have been lacking in performances for to long period to take that title as of now.

No. Until Stephano competes in the toughest tournament in the world he will only be able to be one of the best zergs. Unless he never loses another tournament anyways


Well I do not agree with that, it is only true in a world completely dominated by Koreans which is turning out to be less and less true in 2012. GSL is the biggest tournament and it matters a lot, but to say it it the only tournament that matters in the debate of who is the best SC2 player is Korean biased.

Some people might simply do not want to live in Korea for extend periods and practice for GSL. The fact that you have to live in Korea in order to compete in GSL will ensure that GSL always will be dominated by Koreans. Thus will this logic ensure that Koreans by definition always will be dominating each race.

With more and more Koreans flying out to tournaments all over the globe, with the amount of international tournaments and with smaller gap between foreign and Korean players is this point of view becoming increasingly obsolete.

"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler" Einstein
shepherdxoxo
Profile Joined July 2012
Netherlands260 Posts
July 19 2012 12:30 GMT
#3243
If Byun hadn't choked so horribly in game 4 I would have predicted it so well :/

grats MC seed sucks
Rain <3
Ryps
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Romania2740 Posts
July 19 2012 12:31 GMT
#3244
At least people will stop hyping DRG to be unbeatable now He is still good though !
MajorityofOne
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada2506 Posts
July 19 2012 12:31 GMT
#3245
On July 19 2012 21:29 Ragnarork wrote:
opterown we need a poll about PvP. NAW ! :D


Were going to hear so much about the merits of PvP leading up to this final...don't worry, the polls are coming
Heavenlee
Profile Joined April 2012
United States966 Posts
July 19 2012 12:31 GMT
#3246
On July 19 2012 21:29 1ns4n3 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2012 21:25 Heavenlee wrote:
On July 19 2012 21:22 1ns4n3 wrote:
On July 19 2012 21:13 Heavenlee wrote:
On July 19 2012 21:13 1ns4n3 wrote:
When you see protoss overwhelming zerg in unit production you know something's wrong with warp ins


that's uh, quite a random statement to make.


I don't think so. I have had a problem with protoss warp ins since the beginning of sc2. As day 9 says it seems a bit odd that the most powerful tier-1 and 2 units can be produced the fastest AND at the nearest place from the fight.

I know this is a balance wine but i still think something's wrong with it. I'm ok to receive the punishment for it but I will will stay true to my belief


Try watching the game and getting some basic knowledge of what's happening in PvZ to understand why MC was so ahead and able to outproduce DRG?


Outproduce is a thing. but outproduce a Zerg and get your units spawning like 1 screen away from the battle is something I don't get balance-wise.....


You apparently do not get a lot of things about this game.
ohampatu
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1448 Posts
July 19 2012 12:31 GMT
#3247
On July 19 2012 21:30 Femari wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2012 21:28 MajorityofOne wrote:
On July 19 2012 21:28 Huragius wrote:
On July 19 2012 21:26 SeaSwift wrote:
On July 19 2012 21:25 Huragius wrote:
On July 19 2012 21:24 Ansinjunger wrote:
On July 19 2012 21:21 kheldorin wrote:
On July 19 2012 21:20 polyphonyEX wrote:
Why are people assuming that it's going to be the worst finals ever just because it's PvP? Such narrow minded thinking.


There has always been a lot of anti-Protoss whiners in this forum.


PvP is often the most entertaining PvX matchup. I really enjoy the intense micro situations, although sometimes it really does snowball after a single volley vs a single mis-micro.


Cut the crap please...
Stop using your opinion as a fact.


Or maybe that was his opinion, and you telling him it was crap is you presenting your opinion as fact?


Statistically (from big majority of polls on TL) PvP was found as one of the most boring match-up.


A collection of opinions is no more a fact than a single opinion

And that collection of opinion is what determines is most entertaining. PvP is least entertaining because it entertains the least amount of people.


it doesn't though...you can't quote a poll from the middle of some thread 6 months ago and say 'SEE GUYS TL HATES PVP'

PVP Rocks
I am become death, for I am the destroyer of worlds.....You will be missed KT Violet!!!
Aerisky
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States12129 Posts
July 19 2012 12:31 GMT
#3248
Poll: PvP: Yay or Nay?

Yay! (77)
 
71%

Nay! (31)
 
29%

108 total votes

Your vote: PvP: Yay or Nay?

(Vote): Yay!
(Vote): Nay!



I hesitate to post a best-to-worst MU poll. This should do.

GOGO MC! :D you better win this finals~
Jim while Johnny had had had had had had had; had had had had the better effect on the teacher.
J.E.G.
Profile Joined May 2010
United States389 Posts
July 19 2012 12:31 GMT
#3249
Protoss: live by force field, die by the force field. today, mc lives
Do or do not; there is no try.
Havik_
Profile Joined November 2011
United States5585 Posts
July 19 2012 12:31 GMT
#3250
The people saying a PvP final would be bad are either haters or just haven't watched the matchup at all. There are viable fast expand builds now, Phoenix builds, Blink, builds, Immortal builds. Its the only Protoss match up where the whole tech tree is viable at any given time. The finals will be just as good as the last few finals as long as all the games aren't turtle up to max Colossus battles.
"An opinion is only as good as the evidence that backs it up."- William O'Malley, S.J.
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-19 12:33:10
July 19 2012 12:31 GMT
#3251
I do agree that PvP can be a tense matchup, however in general it's bad. Colossi battles are basically over after 5 seconds.

Best thing that can happen are crazy close combats leading into basetrade or something like that. Most awesome thing was when Naniwa (i think?) lost at HSC with a big army due to 2-3 DT's killing his Robo, that was great.

Still i'm positive the grand finals are going to be good.
Kznn
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil9072 Posts
July 19 2012 12:31 GMT
#3252
On July 19 2012 21:29 SeaSwift wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2012 21:28 Huragius wrote:
On July 19 2012 21:26 SeaSwift wrote:
On July 19 2012 21:25 Huragius wrote:
On July 19 2012 21:24 Ansinjunger wrote:
On July 19 2012 21:21 kheldorin wrote:
On July 19 2012 21:20 polyphonyEX wrote:
Why are people assuming that it's going to be the worst finals ever just because it's PvP? Such narrow minded thinking.


There has always been a lot of anti-Protoss whiners in this forum.


PvP is often the most entertaining PvX matchup. I really enjoy the intense micro situations, although sometimes it really does snowball after a single volley vs a single mis-micro.


Cut the crap please...
Stop using your opinion as a fact.


Or maybe that was his opinion, and you telling him it was crap is you presenting your opinion as fact?


Statistically (from big majority of polls on TL) PvP was found as one of the most boring match-up.


EVERYBODY CONFORM. YOU MUST THINK LIKE THE HIVEMIND OR BE REJECTED.



yeah, people are crazy sometimes.

pvp is fine.
SeaSwift
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Scotland4486 Posts
July 19 2012 12:32 GMT
#3253
On July 19 2012 21:30 Femari wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2012 21:28 MajorityofOne wrote:
On July 19 2012 21:28 Huragius wrote:
On July 19 2012 21:26 SeaSwift wrote:
On July 19 2012 21:25 Huragius wrote:
On July 19 2012 21:24 Ansinjunger wrote:
On July 19 2012 21:21 kheldorin wrote:
On July 19 2012 21:20 polyphonyEX wrote:
Why are people assuming that it's going to be the worst finals ever just because it's PvP? Such narrow minded thinking.


There has always been a lot of anti-Protoss whiners in this forum.


PvP is often the most entertaining PvX matchup. I really enjoy the intense micro situations, although sometimes it really does snowball after a single volley vs a single mis-micro.


Cut the crap please...
Stop using your opinion as a fact.


Or maybe that was his opinion, and you telling him it was crap is you presenting your opinion as fact?


Statistically (from big majority of polls on TL) PvP was found as one of the most boring match-up.


A collection of opinions is no more a fact than a single opinion

And that collection of opinion is what determines is most entertaining. PvP is least entertaining because it entertains the least amount of people.


No it fucking doesn't. It represents what is most entertaining to the sample of people who took that poll.

It's like saying that Tony Blair was elected with a landslide victory, therefore he is factually a really good Prime Minister. You can't measure what is factually entertaining, it is subjective.
jkang
Profile Joined May 2011
United States404 Posts
July 19 2012 12:32 GMT
#3254
On July 19 2012 21:30 FataLe wrote:
Can anyone give me an idea if MC's current path to the finals has been the hardest ever?

Don't think so. But going through DRG makes it one of the harder ones.
FataLe
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand4532 Posts
July 19 2012 12:32 GMT
#3255
On July 19 2012 21:31 J.E.G. wrote:
Protoss: live by force field, die by the force field. today, mc lives

Yeeeess! quote of the night.
hi. big fan.
Heavenlee
Profile Joined April 2012
United States966 Posts
July 19 2012 12:32 GMT
#3256
On July 19 2012 21:30 FataLe wrote:
Can anyone give me an idea if MC's current path to the finals has been the hardest ever?


His Ro32 wasn't special (Ganzi and Sniper I think? Or some other semi-random zerg) but he took out Squirtle, MKP, Taeja, and DRG.
NHY
Profile Joined October 2010
1013 Posts
July 19 2012 12:32 GMT
#3257
I think DRG watched HSC & NASL, and though MC would play similarly. But since MC was hiding his build, he was caught off guard.
shizzz
Profile Joined May 2012
Australia127 Posts
July 19 2012 12:32 GMT
#3258
MC will beat Seed convincingly imo. He has a 70% korean PvP rating here on TL whilst Seed went 0-2 against SangHo (37%) last month in the TSL4 Quals..
Not saying Seed is a bad player, he did well in beating symbol but I just don't see MC loosing this.
Kommander
Profile Joined March 2011
Philippines4950 Posts
July 19 2012 12:32 GMT
#3259
Oh well, it's okay, screw the haters.

Fellow brotosses, let's just enjoy this final to ourselves.
Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
July 19 2012 12:32 GMT
#3260
On July 19 2012 21:31 MajorityofOne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2012 21:29 Ragnarork wrote:
opterown we need a poll about PvP. NAW ! :D


Were going to hear so much about the merits of PvP leading up to this final...don't worry, the polls are coming


Well, we're going to hear much about what a bad match up it is. Which is what i would incline to think, but that's my personnal opinion, and as a spectator, I may have different expectations than others when it comes to entertainement and game's quality.
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