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WeedRa
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany815 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-19 12:28:35
July 19 2012 12:28 GMT
#3221
MC do it for AIUR!

edit: even seed could do it for AIUR but MC is hige fav imo ^^
ShampooSuicide
Profile Joined June 2010
United States58 Posts
July 19 2012 12:28 GMT
#3222
On July 19 2012 21:21 bittman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2012 21:17 FataLe wrote:
On July 19 2012 21:16 WArped wrote:
So. Fucking. Sad.

I wonder what was up with him today, nerves? Illness? Over-tired?


Or none?

Mc's just better at the moment?


As a fan of both:

MC was indeed better today, no doubt. That said DRG's play was particularly poor. I was worried last week in his vs Naniwa, but he mentioned in the interview that the builds threw him off which is why it looked closer than I expected I thought.

But DRG hasn't looked good vP in a very recent number of games. Odd, but perhaps he's struggling with the MU more than he knows.

Either way, not taking it away from MC or Naniwa previously. DRG played poor, but he's still probably the best player in the world.


Maybe it is a practice partner match up problem. MVP has some protoss but comparing them to the ST protoss or MC they fall way behind. He can maybe hold all pushes from other protoss but MC is a different beast with his control. Even so though today was very lack luster play from DRG. So happy about MC making it to the finals.
Huragius
Profile Joined September 2010
Lithuania1506 Posts
July 19 2012 12:28 GMT
#3223
On July 19 2012 21:26 SeaSwift wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2012 21:25 Huragius wrote:
On July 19 2012 21:24 Ansinjunger wrote:
On July 19 2012 21:21 kheldorin wrote:
On July 19 2012 21:20 polyphonyEX wrote:
Why are people assuming that it's going to be the worst finals ever just because it's PvP? Such narrow minded thinking.


There has always been a lot of anti-Protoss whiners in this forum.


PvP is often the most entertaining PvX matchup. I really enjoy the intense micro situations, although sometimes it really does snowball after a single volley vs a single mis-micro.


Cut the crap please...
Stop using your opinion as a fact.


Or maybe that was his opinion, and you telling him it was crap is you presenting your opinion as fact?


Statistically (from big majority of polls on TL) PvP was found as one of the most boring match-up.
ohampatu
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1448 Posts
July 19 2012 12:28 GMT
#3224
I fucking love PvP

WOOOT....BossToss FTW
I am become death, for I am the destroyer of worlds.....You will be missed KT Violet!!!
Taefox
Profile Joined March 2010
1533 Posts
July 19 2012 12:28 GMT
#3225

PvP is often the most entertaining PvX matchup. I really enjoy the intense micro situations, although sometimes it really does snowball after a single volley vs a single mis-micro.

dafuq did I just read ?
@taefoxy
zestzorb
Profile Joined August 2010
Thailand776 Posts
July 19 2012 12:28 GMT
#3226
DRG v MC... on the paper this could be a great finals, but after seeing this series I'm relieved it's only a semi finals.
ohampatu
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1448 Posts
July 19 2012 12:28 GMT
#3227
On July 19 2012 21:28 Huragius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2012 21:26 SeaSwift wrote:
On July 19 2012 21:25 Huragius wrote:
On July 19 2012 21:24 Ansinjunger wrote:
On July 19 2012 21:21 kheldorin wrote:
On July 19 2012 21:20 polyphonyEX wrote:
Why are people assuming that it's going to be the worst finals ever just because it's PvP? Such narrow minded thinking.


There has always been a lot of anti-Protoss whiners in this forum.


PvP is often the most entertaining PvX matchup. I really enjoy the intense micro situations, although sometimes it really does snowball after a single volley vs a single mis-micro.


Cut the crap please...
Stop using your opinion as a fact.


Or maybe that was his opinion, and you telling him it was crap is you presenting your opinion as fact?


Statistically (from big majority of polls on TL) PvP was found as one of the most boring match-up.



those stats are from along time ago, and polls mean nothing on TL
I am become death, for I am the destroyer of worlds.....You will be missed KT Violet!!!
MajorityofOne
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada2506 Posts
July 19 2012 12:28 GMT
#3228
On July 19 2012 21:28 Huragius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2012 21:26 SeaSwift wrote:
On July 19 2012 21:25 Huragius wrote:
On July 19 2012 21:24 Ansinjunger wrote:
On July 19 2012 21:21 kheldorin wrote:
On July 19 2012 21:20 polyphonyEX wrote:
Why are people assuming that it's going to be the worst finals ever just because it's PvP? Such narrow minded thinking.


There has always been a lot of anti-Protoss whiners in this forum.


PvP is often the most entertaining PvX matchup. I really enjoy the intense micro situations, although sometimes it really does snowball after a single volley vs a single mis-micro.


Cut the crap please...
Stop using your opinion as a fact.


Or maybe that was his opinion, and you telling him it was crap is you presenting your opinion as fact?


Statistically (from big majority of polls on TL) PvP was found as one of the most boring match-up.


A collection of opinions is no more a fact than a single opinion
FataLe
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand4492 Posts
July 19 2012 12:28 GMT
#3229
On July 19 2012 21:25 mrtomjones wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2012 21:24 FataLe wrote:
On July 19 2012 21:21 WArped wrote:
On July 19 2012 21:17 FataLe wrote:
On July 19 2012 21:16 WArped wrote:
So. Fucking. Sad.

I wonder what was up with him today, nerves? Illness? Over-tired?


Or none?

Mc's just better at the moment?

Anyone with a brain could see DRG wasn't playing 100%, still got capalised on by MC who looked very strong, but the games weren't even competitive. You think he's THAT much better than DRG, a player who has had absolutely rock solid ZvP and is probably the best player in the world?

DRG was off it.

Hey, playing against someone who is better can make your play look a little trash. all i'm saying is people are too quick to come to the assumption that something external was the reason (contributing factor).
Where in some instances (maybe this one, maybe not) there is no reason. The opponent was simply better.

Better today. Im a huge MC fan but if they played 100 series I bet the win rate would be close to 50/50 for them

yea better today ^^
hi. big fan.
-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
July 19 2012 12:28 GMT
#3230
On July 19 2012 21:24 Embir wrote:
I am happy that we will have PvP finals and not PvZ. PvZ is the worst match-up at the moment.


Agreed. PvZ is boring boring boring at the moment. Not to mention overplayed.


So looking forward to these finals now. I'd love to fly out there myself to be honest. Not sure how I'd go about it though at such short notice or if I need tickets or anything. :-\
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
July 19 2012 12:29 GMT
#3231
On July 19 2012 21:26 FataLe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2012 21:24 Lovedrop wrote:
[05:20] <GTR> wow
[05:20] <GTR> drg crying

it was meant to be his finals. his home town. everyone was counting on him.
must feel pretty cold to be DRG right now


There are no winners without losers, sucks for DRG but that's how it goes. He just won two MLG's I'm sure he will survive.
1ns4n3
Profile Joined September 2011
117 Posts
July 19 2012 12:29 GMT
#3232
On July 19 2012 21:25 Heavenlee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2012 21:22 1ns4n3 wrote:
On July 19 2012 21:13 Heavenlee wrote:
On July 19 2012 21:13 1ns4n3 wrote:
When you see protoss overwhelming zerg in unit production you know something's wrong with warp ins


that's uh, quite a random statement to make.


I don't think so. I have had a problem with protoss warp ins since the beginning of sc2. As day 9 says it seems a bit odd that the most powerful tier-1 and 2 units can be produced the fastest AND at the nearest place from the fight.

I know this is a balance wine but i still think something's wrong with it. I'm ok to receive the punishment for it but I will will stay true to my belief


Try watching the game and getting some basic knowledge of what's happening in PvZ to understand why MC was so ahead and able to outproduce DRG?


Outproduce is a thing. but outproduce a Zerg and get your units spawning like 1 screen away from the battle is something I don't get balance-wise.....
SeaSwift
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Scotland4486 Posts
July 19 2012 12:29 GMT
#3233
On July 19 2012 21:28 Huragius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2012 21:26 SeaSwift wrote:
On July 19 2012 21:25 Huragius wrote:
On July 19 2012 21:24 Ansinjunger wrote:
On July 19 2012 21:21 kheldorin wrote:
On July 19 2012 21:20 polyphonyEX wrote:
Why are people assuming that it's going to be the worst finals ever just because it's PvP? Such narrow minded thinking.


There has always been a lot of anti-Protoss whiners in this forum.


PvP is often the most entertaining PvX matchup. I really enjoy the intense micro situations, although sometimes it really does snowball after a single volley vs a single mis-micro.


Cut the crap please...
Stop using your opinion as a fact.


Or maybe that was his opinion, and you telling him it was crap is you presenting your opinion as fact?


Statistically (from big majority of polls on TL) PvP was found as one of the most boring match-up.


EVERYBODY CONFORM. YOU MUST THINK LIKE THE HIVEMIND OR BE REJECTED.
FakeDeath
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia6060 Posts
July 19 2012 12:29 GMT
#3234
Damn it MC.Fuck
Since you beat DRG, you BETTER FUCKING WIN THIS GSL.
Play your best
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-19 12:30:46
July 19 2012 12:29 GMT
#3235
On July 19 2012 21:23 kheldorin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2012 21:21 WArped wrote:
On July 19 2012 21:17 FataLe wrote:
On July 19 2012 21:16 WArped wrote:
So. Fucking. Sad.

I wonder what was up with him today, nerves? Illness? Over-tired?


Or none?

Mc's just better at the moment?

Anyone with a brain could see DRG wasn't playing 100%, still got capalised on by MC who looked very strong, but the games weren't even competitive. You think he's THAT much better than DRG, a player who has had absolutely rock solid ZvP and is probably the best player in the world?

DRG was off it.


But no one has analysed what he did wrong. It's just "He didn't play well" which is so vague. They should be pointing out the mistakes he made but the casters are not able to.


Game 1: suicided an army trying to trade with mc's, doesn't target colossi properly. +1 corruptors end up being a huge waste of money
Game 2: expands too slowly, donates roaches for free while MC takes no damage.
Game 3: doesn't macro well enough to hold mc's 2base timing

Happy now?
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
sparklyresidue
Profile Joined August 2011
United States5523 Posts
July 19 2012 12:29 GMT
#3236
I'm glad I didn't heed my alarm and wake up at 5am to watch these matches. I would have been disappointed on both fronts, and a lot more tired!
Oh well. I'll definitely watch the finals cause it's the finals, and the games will probably be really good, it's kinda unfortunate it's PvP.
Like Tinkerbelle, I leave behind a sparkly residue.
Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
July 19 2012 12:29 GMT
#3237
opterown we need a poll about PvP. NAW ! :D
LiquipediaWanderer
covetousrat
Profile Joined October 2010
2109 Posts
July 19 2012 12:29 GMT
#3238
Protoss best day after over a year. YES YES YES finally a Protoss GSL champ.
kheldorin
Profile Joined April 2010
Singapore539 Posts
July 19 2012 12:30 GMT
#3239
On July 19 2012 21:24 bittman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2012 21:21 kheldorin wrote:
On July 19 2012 21:20 polyphonyEX wrote:
Why are people assuming that it's going to be the worst finals ever just because it's PvP? Such narrow minded thinking.


There has always been a lot of anti-Protoss whiners in this forum.


It's not just that, it's that there's always been a lot of PvP whine on the forums. Somewhat rightly so, there's really only like 2-3 things that can happen in PvP. Unless your name is Choya.

It's to do with the MU. As a viewer there is really only ever the one moment of excitement. PvP doesn't as easily have mini-battles like ZvZ and TvT. It most of the time just has the 1.


The match-up and maps have changed drastically. It had a bad reputation due to 4-gates but 4-gates isn't that prevalent anymore. And no, it definitely does not have just the 1-battle. You have not been watching enough PvPs. e.g. blink stalkers vs quick collossus. There's no way that blink stalkers can engage quick collossus directly so you'll see a lot of blink tactics.

Watch Genius vs Naniwa where Genius forces Naniwa to defend both his natural and his main. There was literally no downtime in that game. Naniwa had to split his army and Genius kept exploiting that by blinking at the right time and position.
Femari
Profile Joined June 2011
United States2900 Posts
July 19 2012 12:30 GMT
#3240
On July 19 2012 21:28 MajorityofOne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2012 21:28 Huragius wrote:
On July 19 2012 21:26 SeaSwift wrote:
On July 19 2012 21:25 Huragius wrote:
On July 19 2012 21:24 Ansinjunger wrote:
On July 19 2012 21:21 kheldorin wrote:
On July 19 2012 21:20 polyphonyEX wrote:
Why are people assuming that it's going to be the worst finals ever just because it's PvP? Such narrow minded thinking.


There has always been a lot of anti-Protoss whiners in this forum.


PvP is often the most entertaining PvX matchup. I really enjoy the intense micro situations, although sometimes it really does snowball after a single volley vs a single mis-micro.


Cut the crap please...
Stop using your opinion as a fact.


Or maybe that was his opinion, and you telling him it was crap is you presenting your opinion as fact?


Statistically (from big majority of polls on TL) PvP was found as one of the most boring match-up.


A collection of opinions is no more a fact than a single opinion

And that collection of opinion is what determines is most entertaining. PvP is least entertaining because it entertains the least amount of people.
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