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[TSL4] Qualifier 14 - EU/NA #10 - Page 57

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Axeltoss
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States283 Posts
July 12 2012 00:16 GMT
#1121
Hi! Looking for feedback on the casting. Was it enjoyable?
@Axeltoss
d6Mesh
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands445 Posts
July 12 2012 00:23 GMT
#1122
On July 12 2012 09:16 ROOTAxeltoss wrote:
Hi! Looking for feedback on the casting. Was it enjoyable?

It sounded quite good to me, to be honest to my surprise, since I've never heard (of) you before.
SilSol
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden2744 Posts
July 12 2012 00:25 GMT
#1123
On July 12 2012 09:16 ROOTAxeltoss wrote:
Hi! Looking for feedback on the casting. Was it enjoyable?


yes axelboss you did well
http://fragbite.se/user/117868/silsol since 2006 http://www.reddit.com/u/silsol77
Warpish
Profile Joined June 2011
834 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-12 00:27:02
July 12 2012 00:26 GMT
#1124
On July 12 2012 09:16 ROOTAxeltoss wrote:
Hi! Looking for feedback on the casting. Was it enjoyable?


I enjoyed the casting. One minor quibble would be the pronunciation of Fraer, but that's kind of irrelevant. Good job.
BathTubNZ
Profile Joined December 2011
New Zealand2556 Posts
July 12 2012 00:31 GMT
#1125
Yes! But I didn't recognise your photo at all, was that a suit? lol
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
July 12 2012 00:33 GMT
#1126
replays xD

Round of 128
Round of 64
Round of 32, 16
Round of 8, 4, Finals
@RealHeyoka | ESL / DreamHack StarCraft Lead
meatball
Profile Joined August 2011
United States3 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-12 00:38:11
July 12 2012 00:33 GMT
#1127
Going to root for Taeja, Ret & Major (really impressive play).

No americans and almost half the field going to end up being Protoss. Thats pretty lame. I hope the Terran meta game gets better soon...all these PvPs suck (not the match quality...just there is not enough variety deep in tournaments). Im sure TSL4 will still be fantastic still!
jnd
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Czech Republic915 Posts
July 12 2012 00:34 GMT
#1128
On July 12 2012 08:58 hitpoint wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2012 08:52 jnd wrote:
On July 12 2012 08:40 hitpoint wrote:
On July 12 2012 08:36 jnd wrote:
On July 12 2012 08:32 hitpoint wrote:
On July 12 2012 08:28 jnd wrote:
On July 12 2012 08:03 hitpoint wrote:
On July 12 2012 07:58 sAsImre wrote:
On July 12 2012 07:56 hitpoint wrote:
On July 12 2012 07:54 sAsImre wrote:
[quote]

What's are huk accomplishment in 2012? and Naniwa has a better record than him now I think. (highly subjective too)


2012-03-25 4th 2012 MLG Winter Championship 2 : 4 Heart $ 5,500
2012-02-26 3rd 2012 MLG Winter Arena 0 : 2 DongRaeGu $ 3,600

And that's pretty fucking good. Regardless, why do only 2012 results matter?


because you've to be good now to qualify, not a year ago. Or Bitbybit would be a huge favorite ><


Bitbybit was 2 years ago.

Saying someone is all hype and then ignoring tournament results is ridiculous, and asking for only recent results is just what people do when they want to shit on a good player who has won too much stuff in the past. There are people qualified who haven't won anything, but according to you Huk and others are overrated and not worthy of qualification because he's ONLY gotten 3rd and 4th in MLG this year.

He played well in MLG Winter but then when you look at MLG Spring:
  • Arena 1: Finished last
  • Arena 2: Eliminated in Round 2
  • Spring Champs: Eliminated after two rounds (was seeded into open bracket R4)


Then he isn't getting far in the TSL4 Qualifiers. So people who expect him to place in the top 8 are basing the expectations on earlier performance (which was indeed on top), but one must consider the recent performance too, same for these new and upcoming players. In this quite large and very competitive SC2 scene it takes a little to drop below many other great skilled players and you must work very hard to get back there.

In the end the present performance is all that matters.


Playing poorly in 2 tournaments means nothing. As for the qualifiers, Huk got eliminated mostly in Bo1's. Your point is that he's actually dropped so far in skill that he couldn't have qualified? Do you really believe that? If you do, then I don;t know what more to say.

Of course you don't have more to say because there is no other explanation than he's just throwing the games for no reason (and that would be kinda stupid). There are 10 EU/NA qualifiers so some "unlucky" Bo1 eliminations can be rectified later. If he can't go through any of them, then I guess we must consider the other players who managed to go through playing better now.


In order to consider all these other qualified players as obviously better than Huk, you need to look at only TSL qualifier results, ignore other tournaments, ignore the past, and ignore common sense. You seem to have all these things covered. Guess your post makes sense now.

Also, Stephano is no longer the best foreigner. He didn't qualify in TSL 4 so obviously these other players are ALL better than him. no other explanation right?

You have nice irrational logic right there.

It's no secret that Stephano didn't take these qualifiers seriously (which is one of my possible explanations) because he didn't show up multiple times, he actually played only in two qualifiers, getting 21 points in both. Yeah, I do my research before posting unlike others.

Common sense tells the better player wins, yet people often claim otherwise. Common sense also tells that the players who actually qualified are better than those who didn't, if they take it seriously and actually try to qualify which might of course mean to play in more than just few qualifiers.


Actually my logic is flawless. Huk played in 6 qualifiers and got 81 points. Stephano played in 2 and got 21. Seems like a fine comparison, and yea I know this and I knew it before my other posts. I'm just following your twisted and arbitrary rules for determining a players exact skill right now. Huk didn't qualify therefore those who qualified are all better. Stephano didn't qualifiy either therefore Lalush, babyknight and jonnyrecco are now better than him. This is what you're advocating right? Say it for me please, say "by my logic, Lalush is better than Stephano." I'm going to quote it for my sig.

Edit: Stephano actually has 42 points. Guess you don't do your research.

Yes, I said he got 21 in both, I should said he got 21 in each, sorry for not being native English speaker and allowing this nitpicking.

Nice try. You're putting words in my mouth which I never said. This is definitely not determining the exact skill of a player. My whole point was that Huk isn't showing the very top tier play in TSL4 Qualifiers that he is hyped for. It's the top post up there which started it all. I never said he plays bad or he's slumping now. I noticed other players, including for example Bly which was mentioned earlier, play better by getting more points and beating him in Bo3 too. Yet he still didn't qualify.

There are simply a lot of really good players. It doesn't mean they're all on another level but it certainly means they are able to consistently play so well that they managed to qualify. That's after all the beauty of TSL4 qualification system, it rewards really solid and consistent high level play.

More details on Stephano. His ZvZ matchup isn't stable. While his win ratio is still pretty solid, he often falls to who would be considered lower (but still pretty good) players. In both his runs he was eliminated in ZvZ. Does it mean his other matchups aren't that good? No. Does it mean he doesn't have all three matchup on really solid and consistent level? Yes.

So let's conclude that Huk wasn't steamrolling everyone according to all the hyped posts and I think we all (yes, including me) expected him to do better. Other players succeeded with help of their excellent play and they can now prove they're indeed top foreign players.

There is no point arguing further as this is going in circles and no new arguments appear besides silly suggestive questions. Good night.
Team 8 BaBy will be the next Terran Bonjwa in HoTS | HSC V, the best tournament in 2012 | GD Studio #1 no fluff esports show
jnd
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Czech Republic915 Posts
July 12 2012 00:38 GMT
#1129
On July 12 2012 09:16 ROOTAxeltoss wrote:
Hi! Looking for feedback on the casting. Was it enjoyable?

Yes, you did well. Besides the obvious stim cancel mistake I don't remember anything really bad
Team 8 BaBy will be the next Terran Bonjwa in HoTS | HSC V, the best tournament in 2012 | GD Studio #1 no fluff esports show
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8001 Posts
July 12 2012 01:01 GMT
#1130
On July 12 2012 09:07 Cedstick wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2012 08:42 FreudianTrip wrote:
On July 12 2012 08:32 Crowned wrote:
On July 12 2012 08:30 Eee wrote:
does someone know this song?


It sounds like the instrumental of "Blame Game" by Kanye West feat. John Legend.

Edit: People posted the correct song, but peep it.



Haha, that's a sample of the Aphex Twin song. Jean grae also used it.

Kanye West and the majority of rap, a joke as usual. That's literally part of Avril 14th looped for however long that "track" is, with half-assed drums thrown beside it. Oh, and that remix that was played on-stream took the simple yet absolutely beautiful Avril 14th and made it boring. Kids these days.

Congrats to majOr. Nice to see some North American representation, especially someone who's worked so long towards making the spotlight.


i like the song, no need to shit on it -_-
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
Vaftrudner
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden1185 Posts
July 12 2012 01:12 GMT
#1131
On July 12 2012 09:33 meatball wrote:
Going to root for Taeja, Ret & Major (really impressive play).

No americans and almost half the field going to end up being Protoss. Thats pretty lame. I hope the Terran meta game gets better soon...all these PvPs suck (not the match quality...just there is not enough variety deep in tournaments). Im sure TSL4 will still be fantastic still!

Tons of Swedes for me though Still a lot of variety that can be added in the last Korean qualifier. Man, that's going to be an insane qualifier! So many great names already. And in TSL itself, hopefully we can get most of the PvPs out of the way early ;D

If you enjoyed Axeltoss by the way, you should check out his stream! He has casted several of these qualifiers and he's done a very good job. I've really enjoyed his casting, calm and analytical but still fun and personal. His stream pops up here on TL when he casts and he deserves a lot more viewers!
"Starcraft 2 was designed to have a best race. You play the worst one." - Day9
dvorakftw
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
681 Posts
July 12 2012 01:50 GMT
#1132
On July 12 2012 09:16 ROOTAxeltoss wrote:
Hi! Looking for feedback on the casting. Was it enjoyable?

Very enjoyable

For constructive criticism, I think you could be more conscious of the dynamics of your casting. There was a reddit thread about Day9's casting yesterday where many complained he shouted too much. You're at the other end where sometimes huge battles take place and you sound like you're worried you'll wake up someone in a room next to you. But maybe that's intentional and I'm fine with that style. Otherwise, certainly don't fake emotion but don't be afraid to be less reserved and restrained.
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
July 12 2012 05:24 GMT
#1133
Very happy with major and fraer qualifying, two of the most talented foreign players imo.

JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
July 12 2012 06:38 GMT
#1134
Damn you illusion, I was hoping for you to take out fraer!
I guess fraer couldn't be stopped by anymore but major that night.
.swz.
Profile Joined May 2012
73 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-12 10:38:29
July 12 2012 10:32 GMT
#1135
some fun facts&stats i accumulated from the past 10 EU/NA TSL qualifiers:

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View Graphic Full Size (TSL4 Qualifiers Stats)
Kpaxlol
Profile Joined April 2010
813 Posts
July 12 2012 12:36 GMT
#1136
Major deserved that, man.
<3 bw
Kiwiandapple
Profile Joined March 2011
Belgium240 Posts
July 12 2012 14:57 GMT
#1137
On July 12 2012 09:16 ROOTAxeltoss wrote:
Hi! Looking for feedback on the casting. Was it enjoyable?


Yes it was enjoyable, it was like 1/2 AM so .. was just laying in bed, and my screen is quite far away so I was more listening then actually watching.

I want to point out 1 little bit off critisme, try to not always 'bash' on players when they aren't doing the most smartest thing ever. some times it's better to try and figure out why a player does something, rather then saying "this is abit dumb."

I am not quoting anything here, it's just that i find it much more enjoyable + respectfull to a player to not point out every single 'mistake' and much more try to embrace the decision he made and try to let us know, why he wanted to do that.

This is ofcourse a little bit hard because every player is diffrent, but just in general. You said yourself if u want to be a good caster u must be at a good level (wich you are as far as i remember correctly;p) so you might be able to fill in those, things..
I am sorry that I dont know how to put this well, english isn't my mother language.

Aswell fun fact about the game between Illusion and Fraer on daybreak, Illusion lost 2 full medivacs off units wich the observer saw and both you and djwheat missed it ^^ found that like, well... funny, because in the end fraer pushed illusion and he didn't had enough units (aswell had 2 medivas trying to deny the 3rd base;p) ^^

Keep on going tho, you got my support!
Don't worry, that's halo!
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-12 15:18:18
July 12 2012 15:17 GMT
#1138
On July 12 2012 19:32 .swz. wrote:
some fun facts&stats i accumulated from the past 10 EU/NA TSL qualifiers:

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View Graphic Full Size (TSL4 Qualifiers Stats)[/url
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Nice job
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