HuK, Grubby, Dimaga, Lucifronn, Socke, Sheth, Morrow for example.
Huk, Morrow and Grubby are only hype and doesn't deserve a spot either for their play or their results lately, and you can in a certain extent say the same for Sheth and Dimaga. It's unfortunate for Lucifron and Socke but still they're not so much better than most of the ppl who qualified.
I was going to quote your last post and say this is where I list good players and you say how bad/overrated they are. I gave you the benefit of the doubt though...
Ignoring all the rest of things that you're wrong about. Saying Huk is all hype is absurd. Pretty sure he has more accomplishments in major tournaments than any other foreigner.
What's are huk accomplishment in 2012? and Naniwa has a better record than him now I think. (highly subjective too)
And that's pretty fucking good. Regardless, why do only 2012 results matter?
because you've to be good now to qualify, not a year ago. Or Bitbybit would be a huge favorite ><
Bitbybit was 2 years ago.
Saying someone is all hype and then ignoring tournament results is ridiculous, and asking for only recent results is just what people do when they want to shit on a good player who has won too much stuff in the past. There are people qualified who haven't won anything, but according to you Huk and others are overrated and not worthy of qualification because he's ONLY gotten 3rd and 4th in MLG this year.
He played well in MLG Winter but then when you look at MLG Spring:
Arena 1: Finished last
Arena 2: Eliminated in Round 2
Spring Champs: Eliminated after two rounds (was seeded into open bracket R4)
Then he isn't getting far in the TSL4 Qualifiers. So people who expect him to place in the top 8 are basing the expectations on earlier performance (which was indeed on top), but one must consider the recent performance too, same for these new and upcoming players. In this quite large and very competitive SC2 scene it takes a little to drop below many other great skilled players and you must work very hard to get back there.
In the end the present performance is all that matters.
Keep spewing your bullshit. He's one of three foreigners to make it to top eight of NASL, and had to beat ganzi in a best of five to get there
I'm not denying he's top in NASL, I stating only facts and was replying to the MLG arguments. If he can't qualify for TSL4 then either he doesn't consider the tournament to be worth preparing/playing seriously or he's just not that good as those who managed to qualify. If there is other explanation, please go ahead and tell me.
On July 12 2012 07:48 Xoronius wrote: [quote] HuK, Grubby, Dimaga, Lucifronn, Socke, Sheth, Morrow for example.
Huk, Morrow and Grubby are only hype and doesn't deserve a spot either for their play or their results lately, and you can in a certain extent say the same for Sheth and Dimaga. It's unfortunate for Lucifron and Socke but still they're not so much better than most of the ppl who qualified.
I was going to quote your last post and say this is where I list good players and you say how bad/overrated they are. I gave you the benefit of the doubt though...
Ignoring all the rest of things that you're wrong about. Saying Huk is all hype is absurd. Pretty sure he has more accomplishments in major tournaments than any other foreigner.
What's are huk accomplishment in 2012? and Naniwa has a better record than him now I think. (highly subjective too)
And that's pretty fucking good. Regardless, why do only 2012 results matter?
because you've to be good now to qualify, not a year ago. Or Bitbybit would be a huge favorite ><
Bitbybit was 2 years ago.
Saying someone is all hype and then ignoring tournament results is ridiculous, and asking for only recent results is just what people do when they want to shit on a good player who has won too much stuff in the past. There are people qualified who haven't won anything, but according to you Huk and others are overrated and not worthy of qualification because he's ONLY gotten 3rd and 4th in MLG this year.
He played well in MLG Winter but then when you look at MLG Spring:
Arena 1: Finished last
Arena 2: Eliminated in Round 2
Spring Champs: Eliminated after two rounds (was seeded into open bracket R4)
Then he isn't getting far in the TSL4 Qualifiers. So people who expect him to place in the top 8 are basing the expectations on earlier performance (which was indeed on top), but one must consider the recent performance too, same for these new and upcoming players. In this quite large and very competitive SC2 scene it takes a little to drop below many other great skilled players and you must work very hard to get back there.
In the end the present performance is all that matters.
Playing poorly in 2 tournaments means nothing. As for the qualifiers, Huk got eliminated mostly in Bo1's. Your point is that he's actually dropped so far in skill that he couldn't have qualified? Do you really believe that? If you do, then I don;t know what more to say.
Of course you don't have more to say because there is no other explanation than he's just throwing the games for no reason (and that would be kinda stupid). There are 10 EU/NA qualifiers so some "unlucky" Bo1 eliminations can be rectified later. If he can't go through any of them, then I guess we must consider the other players who managed to go through playing better now.
In order to consider all these other qualified players as obviously better than Huk, you need to look at only TSL qualifier results, ignore other tournaments, ignore the past, and ignore common sense. You seem to have all these things covered. Guess your post makes sense now.
Also, Stephano is no longer the best foreigner. He didn't qualify in TSL 4 so obviously these other players are ALL better than him. no other explanation right?
On July 12 2012 08:30 MrSalamandra wrote: Major qualifies!
And so does Fraer!
haha fraer didn't care anyways then. i dont think major would have qualified if he didn't win, so that's good for both players!
I don't think Major cared either, he was actually first in points.
You get better seeding for the tournament if you win a qualifier than if you just get in by points according to Hot_bid earlier in the thread
Oh yeah. Well, maybe he cared somewhat then. Seeding isn't the most important thing, I'm not even sure how they'll do their seeding... as all the qualifier winners should be equivalent to each other, the ones who qualified by points could be ranked... but how does EU/NA compare to KR? Are Thorzain/Naniwa/Kas seeded #1/2/3? Hell, in NASL 1 being seeded first was terrible.
My guess is the earlier you win a qualifier the higher your seed. Not sure though. Would be kind of funny though because Major won the last qualifier for NA/EU and would have finished #1 in points otherwise meaning he effectively moved up 1 seed
Everything worst possible happened to Fraer during Major's all-in: 1) Full medivac escapes with 7 hp (one fucking hit from stalker). 2) Took down rocks to the third. 3) Observer got sniped just before scouting SCVs. 4) Built two robos (intentional or mistake, we don't know. It could have been collo and speed prism strategy. But probably a mistake). 5) He went to chase the factory of Major's and got out of position just before the all-in. 6) Maze at natural didn't let Fraer to spread/micro his units properly. 7) After force fielding the main ramp to natural, tiny space was left and a lot of marines came in. 8) He thought he will hold, but after so many thing went wrong- Fraer decides to pull-off probes. And it's already too late. I think Fraer should have won the last game, but hey, I'm happy to see brother terran (race terran, not Majors another nick lol) qualifying for TSL 4
So we have 9 protoss qualifying through EU/NA, 3 terrans and 6 zergs, please correct me if I'm wrong. Will whiners now claim that Protoss are OP as well as Z? Or is it just the more likely scenario that we have many talented protoss in NA/EU, and two of the best EU/NA terrans were already seeded? I'm sick of all these balance whines. The chats are filled with them, every single stream I watch gets trolled to death with OP and IMBA. Yes, TvZ is difficult right now, but that doesn't take away anything from the players who have qualified. I have watched most of these qualifiers from beginning to end and I haven't seen a single person qualify that didn't deserve it.
On July 12 2012 08:35 vilg wrote: Not a single NA player qualified, right? Pretty disappointing.
There's MajOr. In my opinion the NA scene lacks tournaments that help developing talent and potential as well as financing players. In my opinion, that is the main factor that is hurting the NA player quality and results of course.
Kim Hammar @HelloSaSe If Fraer moves to Korea I don't know what will stop him. Such sick micro on US server from Ukraine. wtf..!
Dennis Schneider @mouzHasuObs @HelloSaSe ye, fraer naniwa and you best foreign protosses!
Dennis Schneider @mouzHasuObs @Mqvx @HelloSaSe latest results and replays of fraer are so impressive. ofc other protosses have better results overall =)
On July 12 2012 07:48 Xoronius wrote: [quote] HuK, Grubby, Dimaga, Lucifronn, Socke, Sheth, Morrow for example.
Huk, Morrow and Grubby are only hype and doesn't deserve a spot either for their play or their results lately, and you can in a certain extent say the same for Sheth and Dimaga. It's unfortunate for Lucifron and Socke but still they're not so much better than most of the ppl who qualified.
I was going to quote your last post and say this is where I list good players and you say how bad/overrated they are. I gave you the benefit of the doubt though...
Ignoring all the rest of things that you're wrong about. Saying Huk is all hype is absurd. Pretty sure he has more accomplishments in major tournaments than any other foreigner.
What's are huk accomplishment in 2012? and Naniwa has a better record than him now I think. (highly subjective too)
And that's pretty fucking good. Regardless, why do only 2012 results matter?
because you've to be good now to qualify, not a year ago. Or Bitbybit would be a huge favorite ><
Bitbybit was 2 years ago.
Saying someone is all hype and then ignoring tournament results is ridiculous, and asking for only recent results is just what people do when they want to shit on a good player who has won too much stuff in the past. There are people qualified who haven't won anything, but according to you Huk and others are overrated and not worthy of qualification because he's ONLY gotten 3rd and 4th in MLG this year.
He played well in MLG Winter but then when you look at MLG Spring:
Arena 1: Finished last
Arena 2: Eliminated in Round 2
Spring Champs: Eliminated after two rounds (was seeded into open bracket R4)
Then he isn't getting far in the TSL4 Qualifiers. So people who expect him to place in the top 8 are basing the expectations on earlier performance (which was indeed on top), but one must consider the recent performance too, same for these new and upcoming players. In this quite large and very competitive SC2 scene it takes a little to drop below many other great skilled players and you must work very hard to get back there.
In the end the present performance is all that matters.
Playing poorly in 2 tournaments means nothing. As for the qualifiers, Huk got eliminated mostly in Bo1's. Your point is that he's actually dropped so far in skill that he couldn't have qualified? Do you really believe that? If you do, then I don;t know what more to say.
Of course you don't have more to say because there is no other explanation than he's just throwing the games for no reason (and that would be kinda stupid). There are 10 EU/NA qualifiers so some "unlucky" Bo1 eliminations can be rectified later. If he can't go through any of them, then I guess we must consider the other players who managed to go through playing better now.
Just to throw in some information - last week in qualifier 11 he got to the bo3 stage and was cheesed three times in a row by Bly. Above all I found it weird how he didn't adapt at all and insisted on fast expanding. In game 1 which got past the cheese part it took him surprisingly long to end the game. I've certainly seen better from him.
Huk, Morrow and Grubby are only hype and doesn't deserve a spot either for their play or their results lately, and you can in a certain extent say the same for Sheth and Dimaga. It's unfortunate for Lucifron and Socke but still they're not so much better than most of the ppl who qualified.
I was going to quote your last post and say this is where I list good players and you say how bad/overrated they are. I gave you the benefit of the doubt though...
Ignoring all the rest of things that you're wrong about. Saying Huk is all hype is absurd. Pretty sure he has more accomplishments in major tournaments than any other foreigner.
What's are huk accomplishment in 2012? and Naniwa has a better record than him now I think. (highly subjective too)
And that's pretty fucking good. Regardless, why do only 2012 results matter?
because you've to be good now to qualify, not a year ago. Or Bitbybit would be a huge favorite ><
Bitbybit was 2 years ago.
Saying someone is all hype and then ignoring tournament results is ridiculous, and asking for only recent results is just what people do when they want to shit on a good player who has won too much stuff in the past. There are people qualified who haven't won anything, but according to you Huk and others are overrated and not worthy of qualification because he's ONLY gotten 3rd and 4th in MLG this year.
He played well in MLG Winter but then when you look at MLG Spring:
Arena 1: Finished last
Arena 2: Eliminated in Round 2
Spring Champs: Eliminated after two rounds (was seeded into open bracket R4)
Then he isn't getting far in the TSL4 Qualifiers. So people who expect him to place in the top 8 are basing the expectations on earlier performance (which was indeed on top), but one must consider the recent performance too, same for these new and upcoming players. In this quite large and very competitive SC2 scene it takes a little to drop below many other great skilled players and you must work very hard to get back there.
In the end the present performance is all that matters.
Playing poorly in 2 tournaments means nothing. As for the qualifiers, Huk got eliminated mostly in Bo1's. Your point is that he's actually dropped so far in skill that he couldn't have qualified? Do you really believe that? If you do, then I don;t know what more to say.
Of course you don't have more to say because there is no other explanation than he's just throwing the games for no reason (and that would be kinda stupid). There are 10 EU/NA qualifiers so some "unlucky" Bo1 eliminations can be rectified later. If he can't go through any of them, then I guess we must consider the other players who managed to go through playing better now.
In order to consider all these other qualified players as obviously better than Huk, you need to look at only TSL qualifier results, ignore other tournaments, ignore the past, and ignore common sense. You seem to have all these things covered. Guess your post makes sense now.
Also, Stephano is no longer the best foreigner. He didn't qualify in TSL 4 so obviously these other players are ALL better than him. no other explanation right?
You have nice irrational logic right there.
It's no secret that Stephano didn't take these qualifiers seriously (which is one of my possible explanations) because he didn't show up multiple times, he actually played only in two qualifiers, getting 21 points in both. Yeah, I do my research before posting unlike others.
Common sense tells the better player wins, yet people often claim otherwise. Common sense also tells that the players who actually qualified are better than those who didn't, if they take it seriously and actually try to qualify which might of course mean to play in more than just few qualifiers.
I was going to quote your last post and say this is where I list good players and you say how bad/overrated they are. I gave you the benefit of the doubt though...
Ignoring all the rest of things that you're wrong about. Saying Huk is all hype is absurd. Pretty sure he has more accomplishments in major tournaments than any other foreigner.
What's are huk accomplishment in 2012? and Naniwa has a better record than him now I think. (highly subjective too)
And that's pretty fucking good. Regardless, why do only 2012 results matter?
because you've to be good now to qualify, not a year ago. Or Bitbybit would be a huge favorite ><
Bitbybit was 2 years ago.
Saying someone is all hype and then ignoring tournament results is ridiculous, and asking for only recent results is just what people do when they want to shit on a good player who has won too much stuff in the past. There are people qualified who haven't won anything, but according to you Huk and others are overrated and not worthy of qualification because he's ONLY gotten 3rd and 4th in MLG this year.
He played well in MLG Winter but then when you look at MLG Spring:
Arena 1: Finished last
Arena 2: Eliminated in Round 2
Spring Champs: Eliminated after two rounds (was seeded into open bracket R4)
Then he isn't getting far in the TSL4 Qualifiers. So people who expect him to place in the top 8 are basing the expectations on earlier performance (which was indeed on top), but one must consider the recent performance too, same for these new and upcoming players. In this quite large and very competitive SC2 scene it takes a little to drop below many other great skilled players and you must work very hard to get back there.
In the end the present performance is all that matters.
Playing poorly in 2 tournaments means nothing. As for the qualifiers, Huk got eliminated mostly in Bo1's. Your point is that he's actually dropped so far in skill that he couldn't have qualified? Do you really believe that? If you do, then I don;t know what more to say.
Of course you don't have more to say because there is no other explanation than he's just throwing the games for no reason (and that would be kinda stupid). There are 10 EU/NA qualifiers so some "unlucky" Bo1 eliminations can be rectified later. If he can't go through any of them, then I guess we must consider the other players who managed to go through playing better now.
In order to consider all these other qualified players as obviously better than Huk, you need to look at only TSL qualifier results, ignore other tournaments, ignore the past, and ignore common sense. You seem to have all these things covered. Guess your post makes sense now.
Also, Stephano is no longer the best foreigner. He didn't qualify in TSL 4 so obviously these other players are ALL better than him. no other explanation right?
You have nice irrational logic right there.
It's no secret that Stephano didn't take these qualifiers seriously (which is one of my possible explanations) because he didn't show up multiple times, he actually played only in two qualifiers, getting 21 points in both. Yeah, I do my research before posting unlike others.
Common sense tells the better player wins, yet people often claim otherwise. Common sense also tells that the players who actually qualified are better than those who didn't, if they take it seriously and actually try to qualify which might of course mean to play in more than just few qualifiers.
Actually my logic is flawless. Huk played in 6 qualifiers and got 81 points. Stephano played in 2 and got 21. Seems like a fine comparison, and yea I know this and I knew it before my other posts. I'm just following your twisted and arbitrary rules for determining a players exact skill right now. Huk didn't qualify therefore those who qualified are all better. Stephano didn't qualifiy either therefore Lalush, babyknight and jonnyrecco are now better than him. This is what you're advocating right? Say it for me please, say "by my logic, Lalush is better than Stephano." I'm going to quote it for my sig.
Edit: Stephano actually has 42 points. Guess you don't do your research.
And that's pretty fucking good. Regardless, why do only 2012 results matter?
because you've to be good now to qualify, not a year ago. Or Bitbybit would be a huge favorite ><
Bitbybit was 2 years ago.
Saying someone is all hype and then ignoring tournament results is ridiculous, and asking for only recent results is just what people do when they want to shit on a good player who has won too much stuff in the past. There are people qualified who haven't won anything, but according to you Huk and others are overrated and not worthy of qualification because he's ONLY gotten 3rd and 4th in MLG this year.
He played well in MLG Winter but then when you look at MLG Spring:
Arena 1: Finished last
Arena 2: Eliminated in Round 2
Spring Champs: Eliminated after two rounds (was seeded into open bracket R4)
Then he isn't getting far in the TSL4 Qualifiers. So people who expect him to place in the top 8 are basing the expectations on earlier performance (which was indeed on top), but one must consider the recent performance too, same for these new and upcoming players. In this quite large and very competitive SC2 scene it takes a little to drop below many other great skilled players and you must work very hard to get back there.
In the end the present performance is all that matters.
Playing poorly in 2 tournaments means nothing. As for the qualifiers, Huk got eliminated mostly in Bo1's. Your point is that he's actually dropped so far in skill that he couldn't have qualified? Do you really believe that? If you do, then I don;t know what more to say.
Of course you don't have more to say because there is no other explanation than he's just throwing the games for no reason (and that would be kinda stupid). There are 10 EU/NA qualifiers so some "unlucky" Bo1 eliminations can be rectified later. If he can't go through any of them, then I guess we must consider the other players who managed to go through playing better now.
In order to consider all these other qualified players as obviously better than Huk, you need to look at only TSL qualifier results, ignore other tournaments, ignore the past, and ignore common sense. You seem to have all these things covered. Guess your post makes sense now.
Also, Stephano is no longer the best foreigner. He didn't qualify in TSL 4 so obviously these other players are ALL better than him. no other explanation right?
You have nice irrational logic right there.
It's no secret that Stephano didn't take these qualifiers seriously (which is one of my possible explanations) because he didn't show up multiple times, he actually played only in two qualifiers, getting 21 points in both. Yeah, I do my research before posting unlike others.
Common sense tells the better player wins, yet people often claim otherwise. Common sense also tells that the players who actually qualified are better than those who didn't, if they take it seriously and actually try to qualify which might of course mean to play in more than just few qualifiers.
Actually my logic is flawless. Huk played in 6 qualifiers and got 81 points. Stephano played in 2 and got 21. Seems like a fine comparison, and yea I know this and I knew it before my other posts. I'm just following your twisted and arbitrary rules for determining a players exact skill right now. Huk didn't qualify therefore those who qualified are all better. Stephano didn't qualifiy either therefore Lalush, babyknight and jonnyrecco are now better than him. This is what you're advocating right? Say it for me please, say "by my logic, Laulush is better than Stephano." I'm going to quote it for my sig.
Edit: Stephano actually has 42 points. Guess you don't do your research.
Don't bother Hitpoint, you're clearly arguing with an utter buffoon.
Haha, that's a sample of the Aphex Twin song. Jean grae also used it.
Kanye West and the majority of rap, a joke as usual. That's literally part of Avril 14th looped for however long that "track" is, with half-assed drums thrown beside it. Oh, and that remix that was played on-stream took the simple yet absolutely beautiful Avril 14th and made it boring. Kids these days.
Congrats to majOr. Nice to see some North American representation, especially someone who's worked so long towards making the spotlight.
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