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On July 07 2012 06:34 TheBB wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 06:24 CosmicSpiral wrote:On July 07 2012 06:21 TheBB wrote:On July 07 2012 06:17 CosmicSpiral wrote:On July 07 2012 06:12 TheBB wrote:On July 07 2012 06:09 CosmicSpiral wrote:On July 07 2012 06:05 Zane wrote:On July 07 2012 06:03 CosmicSpiral wrote:On July 07 2012 05:59 Zane wrote:On July 07 2012 05:58 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Maybe people need to start accepting that Mvp is not the best player in the world anymore. Just like they accepted before GSL October. Or before last GSL. Win one GSL and suddenly you're the best player in the world. Good logic. I remember when the thread monsters were slobbering all over Jjakji because of one fantastic run. Where did his other championships go? No, win 4 GSLs and you're the best player. That's the point, just because he doesn't win every single tournament he enters doesn't mean he's suddenly not the best player anymore. He isn't the best player anykmore because he cannot consistently beat everybody else, which is what the best player does. Honestly it's embarrassing when people just call x or y the best player, do they understand how utterly dominant you must be to be considered for the title? Mvp doesn't possess that dominance anymore. I don't think this holds. At any one time, someone must be best (by definition), even if we can't clearly tell who. However, it is not given that at any one time someone must necessarily dominate everyone else. Whatever happened to the first-among-equals situation? That's a false assumption. "Being the best" is a judgment call created by people based on outside evidence, not some intuitive ranking system that naturally exists. If there is no sustainable argument for any single individual then nobody occupies that position. Right now anyone can trash anyone in the KR scene and they are doing it on a regular basis. But there is an objective ranking system. Let's say a hypothetical N-round robin involving every player played under identical and simultaneous conditions. Of course this is not realisable, but that's not a problem. I put it to you that as N goes to infinity, the winner of such a hypothetical tournament will be stable, e.g. P(this player winning) will approach 1 as N grows. That doesn't still prove anything since part of labeling someone "the best player" is succeeding despite circumstances. Prove what? I'm not trying to prove anything. I also disagree with this labeling. Best simply means best. Not dominant, not succeeding under these or those circumstances, simply best on average, period, end of story.
You said that the hypothetical situation could identify the best player in the world by placing everyone under identical and simultaneous conditions. My objection is that such a situation would only prove who is the best player in the world under those conditions.
You disagree with my assertion yet agree with it immediately afterwards. I don't get it.
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Sheth nooooo  !! *sniffle*..............Thanks Lyerbeth for the LR.
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man sc2 would be ten times more awesome if koreans could speak english as good as any other foreigner X_x
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It feels like MC already knows what MVP is going! hes been right all the time
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DBS is trying to go full foreigner
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Man, Great hold by Yongwha.
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On July 07 2012 06:37 Iyerbeth wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 06:37 Iyerbeth wrote:On July 07 2012 06:36 Iyerbeth wrote:On July 07 2012 06:35 Iyerbeth wrote:On July 07 2012 06:33 Iyerbeth wrote:Group H:  MVP VS  NightEnD
Game 1Map - ESL  Cloud KingdomMVP - 8 o'clock spawn. NightEnD - 2 o'clock spawn. Best of 3 score:MVP 1 - NightEnD 0 13 Gate for NightEnD. 14 Rax for MVP. 1 Gas for NightEnD nothing for MVP. A lot of Chrono going on to the Nexus. 1 Rax CC for MVP and now 2 gas. 2nd Rax for MVP. Nexus fof NightEnD. 2nd gas for NightEnD. 1 Reactor Rax 1 Tech Lab Rax. Factory started and Stim too. Bunker at natural for MVP. Tech Lab on Factory.
Robo for NightEnD and 2 more gas.
I assume Siege Mode is researching but can't see on the cast.
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On July 07 2012 06:37 reapsen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 06:34 iky43210 wrote:
Dear HSC camera guy,
stop fucking moving the camera around during battle. Its obnoxious as hell. I want to know what the hell is going on in that clutch battle, not some stupid after game analysis
sincerely,
some really dizzy dude The Progamers / Casters do the observing themselves. There is no designated cameraguy.
So why did they think this was a good idea? most progamers plays the games with such fast pace and move the screen so much they might as well have ADDS. they need to have some dedicated guy to control the camera and not progamers that keeps moving the camera
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lol i agree. templar archives should be dt and ht
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Tod should just zip it and let MC take over .. need troll caster not a serious one! 
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nightend cancered it
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On July 07 2012 06:38 Iyerbeth wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 06:37 Iyerbeth wrote:On July 07 2012 06:37 Iyerbeth wrote:On July 07 2012 06:36 Iyerbeth wrote:On July 07 2012 06:35 Iyerbeth wrote:On July 07 2012 06:33 Iyerbeth wrote:Group H: MVP VS NightEnD
Game 1Map - ESL Cloud KingdomMVP - 8 o'clock spawn. NightEnD - 2 o'clock spawn. Best of 3 score:MVP 1 - NightEnD 0 13 Gate for NightEnD. 14 Rax for MVP. 1 Gas for NightEnD nothing for MVP. A lot of Chrono going on to the Nexus. 1 Rax CC for MVP and now 2 gas. 2nd Rax for MVP. Nexus fof NightEnD. 2nd gas for NightEnD. 1 Reactor Rax 1 Tech Lab Rax. Factory started and Stim too. Bunker at natural for MVP. Tech Lab on Factory. Robo for NightEnD and 2 more gas. I assume Siege Mode is researching but can't see on the cast.
MVP moves out with Marine and Siege Tank army.
Robo Bay started, but when the army is seen it's cancelled and replaced with Gates.
Immortals incoming.
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"MKP make this build. er, MKP made this build" He's learning before our eyes 
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On July 07 2012 06:39 iky43210 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 06:37 reapsen wrote:On July 07 2012 06:34 iky43210 wrote:
Dear HSC camera guy,
stop fucking moving the camera around during battle. Its obnoxious as hell. I want to know what the hell is going on in that clutch battle, not some stupid after game analysis
sincerely,
some really dizzy dude The Progamers / Casters do the observing themselves. There is no designated cameraguy. So why did they think this was a good idea? most progamers plays the games with such fast pace and move the screen so much they might as well have ADDS. they need to have some dedicated guy to control the camera and not progamers that keeps moving the camera
If you don't like it, don't watch. HSC isn't meant to be that kind of tournament.
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On July 07 2012 06:39 Olinim wrote:
lol i agree. templar archives should be dt and ht
Yeah me too. Feels like DT drops would be awesome again.
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On July 07 2012 06:39 Iyerbeth wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 06:38 Iyerbeth wrote:On July 07 2012 06:37 Iyerbeth wrote:On July 07 2012 06:37 Iyerbeth wrote:On July 07 2012 06:36 Iyerbeth wrote:On July 07 2012 06:35 Iyerbeth wrote:On July 07 2012 06:33 Iyerbeth wrote:Group H: MVP VS NightEnD
Game 1Map - ESL Cloud KingdomMVP - 8 o'clock spawn. NightEnD - 2 o'clock spawn. Best of 3 score:MVP 1 - NightEnD 0 13 Gate for NightEnD. 14 Rax for MVP. 1 Gas for NightEnD nothing for MVP. A lot of Chrono going on to the Nexus. 1 Rax CC for MVP and now 2 gas. 2nd Rax for MVP. Nexus fof NightEnD. 2nd gas for NightEnD. 1 Reactor Rax 1 Tech Lab Rax. Factory started and Stim too. Bunker at natural for MVP. Tech Lab on Factory. Robo for NightEnD and 2 more gas. I assume Siege Mode is researching but can't see on the cast. MVP moves out with Marine and Siege Tank army. Robo Bay started, but when the army is seen it's cancelled and replaced with Gates. Immortals incoming.
MVP just moved back and took third without engaging.
NightEnD chrono'ing Zealot charge and starting Templar Archives.
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On July 07 2012 06:39 Fragile51 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 06:39 iky43210 wrote:On July 07 2012 06:37 reapsen wrote:On July 07 2012 06:34 iky43210 wrote:
Dear HSC camera guy,
stop fucking moving the camera around during battle. Its obnoxious as hell. I want to know what the hell is going on in that clutch battle, not some stupid after game analysis
sincerely,
some really dizzy dude The Progamers / Casters do the observing themselves. There is no designated cameraguy. So why did they think this was a good idea? most progamers plays the games with such fast pace and move the screen so much they might as well have ADDS. they need to have some dedicated guy to control the camera and not progamers that keeps moving the camera If you don't like it, don't watch. HSC isn't meant to be that kind of tournament.
still a valid suggestions / complaints. If you don't like it, don't read my posts
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On July 07 2012 06:40 Iyerbeth wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 06:39 Iyerbeth wrote:On July 07 2012 06:38 Iyerbeth wrote:On July 07 2012 06:37 Iyerbeth wrote:On July 07 2012 06:37 Iyerbeth wrote:On July 07 2012 06:36 Iyerbeth wrote:On July 07 2012 06:35 Iyerbeth wrote:On July 07 2012 06:33 Iyerbeth wrote:Group H: MVP VS NightEnD
Game 1Map - ESL Cloud KingdomMVP - 8 o'clock spawn. NightEnD - 2 o'clock spawn. Best of 3 score:MVP 1 - NightEnD 0 13 Gate for NightEnD. 14 Rax for MVP. 1 Gas for NightEnD nothing for MVP. A lot of Chrono going on to the Nexus. 1 Rax CC for MVP and now 2 gas. 2nd Rax for MVP. Nexus fof NightEnD. 2nd gas for NightEnD. 1 Reactor Rax 1 Tech Lab Rax. Factory started and Stim too. Bunker at natural for MVP. Tech Lab on Factory. Robo for NightEnD and 2 more gas. I assume Siege Mode is researching but can't see on the cast. MVP moves out with Marine and Siege Tank army. Robo Bay started, but when the army is seen it's cancelled and replaced with Gates. Immortals incoming. MVP just moved back and took third without engaging. NightEnD chrono'ing Zealot charge and starting Templar Archives.
NightEnD moves across the map and sees the third but can't engage it and falls back with FFs.
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DBS' overstimming and micro leaves a lot to be desired
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