There's one thing I really love about Mvp's play and It's that he knows timings to bring scv's and kill his opponent, not the first time he's used this build on this map vs Protoss, he beat Parting with it.

mambar

United States841 Posts

July 06 2012 21:32 GMT

#3644

On July 07 2012 06:32 Ryps wrote:
So many excuses for MVP, this is getting ridiculous.

what?

MCDayC

United Kingdom14464 Posts

July 06 2012 21:33 GMT

#3645

congrats on the 10000 posts fragile, what a dignified way to go!

CosmicSpiral

United States15275 Posts

July 06 2012 21:33 GMT

#3646

On July 07 2012 06:29 Eralur wrote:

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Just like they accepted before GSL October. Or before last GSL.

Win one GSL and suddenly you're the best player in the world. Good logic. I remember when the thread monsters were slobbering all over Jjakji because of one fantastic run. Where did his other championships go?

No, win 4 GSLs and you're the best player. That's the point, just because he doesn't win every single tournament he enters doesn't mean he's suddenly not the best player anymore.

He isn't the best player anykmore because he cannot consistently beat everybody else, which is what the best player does. Honestly it's embarrassing when people just call x or y the best player, do they understand how utterly dominant you must be to be considered for the title? Mvp doesn't possess that dominance anymore.

I don't think this holds. At any one time, someone must be best (by definition), even if we can't clearly tell who. However, it is not given that at any one time someone must necessarily dominate everyone else. Whatever happened to the first-among-equals situation?

That's a false assumption. "Being the best" is a judgment call created by people based on outside evidence, not some intuitive ranking system that naturally exists. If there is no sustainable argument for any single individual then nobody occupies that position. Right now anyone can trash anyone in the KR scene and they are doing it on a regular basis.

But there is an objective ranking system. Let's say a hypothetical N-round robin involving every player played under identical and simultaneous conditions. Of course this is not realisable, but that's not a problem. I put it to you that as N goes to infinity, the winner of such a hypothetical tournament will be stable, e.g. P(this player winning) will approach 1 as N grows.

This whole argument is stupid, youre saying x is the best player and everyone else is inferior and that starcraft should be a game were its impossible for the superior player to lose against a inferior one.
In that case every tournament would have exactly the same results.

In every sport a inferior player/team has a chance to win otherwise nobody would watch because it would be fucking boring.....

That's not what he said at all. >_>

I was quoting ( and addressing ) the whole argument...i thought that was pretty obvious

He said that despite my claims that "the best" is a matter of holistic interpretation of outside facts, there exists a hypothetical situation that could objectively identify the best player in the world. It would be impossible to perform due to impracticality but it was theoretically possible. As N goes to infinity the irregularities (i.e. losses to inferior players) would gradually hold less weight.

Musicus

Germany23579 Posts

July 06 2012 21:33 GMT

#3647

there you have it Hasu is low level :D

Euronyme

Sweden3804 Posts

July 06 2012 21:33 GMT

#3648

So bad by nightend there. He made an offensive blink and then move commanded them back up the ramp gain -_-

Fragile51

Netherlands15767 Posts

July 06 2012 21:33 GMT

#3649

On July 07 2012 06:32 SilSol wrote:
haha MC trolling a little. Must be hard for him to cast in English

Nah, just say a lot of imba imba and mix them in with some unit names, and you should be fine :p

Champloo

Germany1850 Posts

July 06 2012 21:33 GMT

#3650

C'mon Nightend do it for Monchi!

Kieofire

United States1809 Posts

July 06 2012 21:33 GMT

#3651

On July 07 2012 06:32 Ryps wrote:
So many excuses for MVP, this is getting ridiculous.

He is still winning, so I don't see why you are saying this.

Iyerbeth

England2410 Posts

July 06 2012 21:33 GMT

#3652

Group H: MVP VS NightEnD

Game 1
Map - ESL (Wiki)

Cloud Kingdom
MVP - 8 o'clock spawn.
NightEnD - 2 o'clock spawn.

Best of 3 score:
MVP 1 - NightEnD 0

Crowned

United States368 Posts

July 06 2012 21:33 GMT

#3653

Let's go MVP, just win this 1 and in.

iky43210

United States2099 Posts

July 06 2012 21:34 GMT

#3654

Dear HSC camera guy,

stop fucking moving the camera around during battle. Its obnoxious as hell. I want to know what the hell is going on in that clutch battle, not some stupid after game analysis

sincerely,
some really dizzy dude

ibo422

Belgium2844 Posts

July 06 2012 21:34 GMT

#3655

On July 07 2012 06:33 Musicus wrote:
there you have it Hasu is low level :D

xD

chobo hasu tjinsu gosu!! nice to know! :p

Fragile51

Netherlands15767 Posts

July 06 2012 21:34 GMT

#3656

On July 07 2012 06:33 MCDayC wrote:
congrats on the 10000 posts fragile, what a dignified way to go!

Lol, i know right :p Next goal: 15000 before HOTS release!

...Putting the bar pretty low i guess

TheBB

Switzerland5133 Posts

July 06 2012 21:34 GMT

#3657

On July 07 2012 06:24 CosmicSpiral wrote:

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On July 07 2012 05:58 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Maybe people need to start accepting that Mvp is not the best player in the world anymore.

Just like they accepted before GSL October. Or before last GSL.

No, win 4 GSLs and you're the best player. That's the point, just because he doesn't win every single tournament he enters doesn't mean he's suddenly not the best player anymore.

That doesn't still prove anything since part of labeling someone "the best player" is succeeding despite circumstances.

Prove what? I'm not trying to prove anything.

I also disagree with this labeling. Best simply means best. Not dominant, not succeeding under these or those circumstances, simply best on average, period, end of story.

Anyway... I get what you are saying. Just disagree 'sall.

tuho12345

4482 Posts

July 06 2012 21:34 GMT

#3658

On July 07 2012 06:32 Chenz wrote:

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I'd say blinking half his army down to the low ground was the move that lost him the game. Stalker's melt to marauders.

Yeah I don't know did he do that. Such a bad mistake, he could have just sit there and enjoyed his 3 bases, may be getting a few templar or sentries to FF'ed forever.

Broodwurst

Germany1586 Posts

July 06 2012 21:34 GMT

#3659

On July 07 2012 06:33 Fragile51 wrote:

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Nah, just say a lot of imba imba and mix them in with some unit names, and you should be fine :p

Mentionting Jerk always helps, too