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Watching this and some other TvZ, I feel like it is more about Zerg players rediscovering how multiple queens are good rather than the mere fact queens now have +2 range.
If Terran continue to complain, I would love to see queen range back to 3.
Yeah, it will be harder for Zerg, but I feel like Zerg will still continue to make more queens than before the patch in May.
+60 shield raised awareness of warpprism. Even if Blizzard take those 60 shield away from protoss now, protoss won't stop using warpprism.
What changed in patch is probably not as important as the FACT it changed and players read that patch note.
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On July 06 2012 20:39 DidYuhim wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 20:37 Rokoz wrote:On July 06 2012 20:36 Andr3 wrote:On July 06 2012 20:34 chrisolo wrote:
I mean I am not playing sc2 anymore, so my oppinion may not be accurate, but isnt Terran ALWAYS losing when Zerg gets Broodlords out? I have never seen a terran win at that stage. o_O Is this a newer problem or is Dustin Browder still trolling the community? Ryung won a like 50 min TvZ vs DRG, macro game. Establishing the 4th is the key + getting enough gas for ravens & lots of agression. But very hard for T :\ What Ryung did isn't possible in Antiga Shipyard. But, what MMA did against DRG at Shakuras is pretty possible on Antiga. Even more, on Antiga.
Imagine that series being played with the new patch. Games were incredibly close even back then before the ghost nerf and the queen buff.
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On July 06 2012 20:41 KingPaddy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 20:39 ImNightmare wrote:On July 06 2012 20:38 adiga wrote:On July 06 2012 20:28 Ragnarork wrote:On July 06 2012 20:27 adiga wrote:
ammmmmmmmmmm this game is BS ok? ok.
I don't even know why I still watch this BS I'm Terran, ok ? I still have difficulties considering the Queens buff correctly, but Queens doesn't make walling off impossible, RIGHT ? Would that matter? getting a ton of enffestors, ton of broodlords, ton of banelings + the tech with 3 bases really? this is just BS Whats the point for terran to even play? They are supposed to be strong at the early game but after all the patchs terran are no longer can do SHIT against zergs or protoss at the early game unless you go for a cheese. Even bllizard admits that TVP is a race against time and you are basically fucked if you can't hurt the protoss play at the early(that again terran are soooo weak atm). It's not that Queen buff that made the change it's the mindset that now changed for zerg players who feel comfortable at the early and they get the economy going super fast. Way to spoil Coca's accomplishment of being a MKP-killer with your balance whine. Coca IS stronger then MKP. Past and present. Pre-patch and after-patch Haha.. what? What's your data for that? Results?
well if we are talking about head to head, Coca has always owned MKP
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On July 06 2012 20:39 DidYuhim wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 20:37 Rokoz wrote:On July 06 2012 20:36 Andr3 wrote:On July 06 2012 20:34 chrisolo wrote:
I mean I am not playing sc2 anymore, so my oppinion may not be accurate, but isnt Terran ALWAYS losing when Zerg gets Broodlords out? I have never seen a terran win at that stage. o_O Is this a newer problem or is Dustin Browder still trolling the community? Ryung won a like 50 min TvZ vs DRG, macro game. Establishing the 4th is the key + getting enough gas for ravens & lots of agression. But very hard for T :\ What Ryung did isn't possible in Antiga Shipyard. But, what MMA did against DRG at Shakuras is pretty possible on Antiga. Even more, on Antiga.
You talking about Blizzard Cup last year?
In the current meta-game MMA would have just lost that game.
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On July 06 2012 20:39 ImNightmare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 20:38 adiga wrote:On July 06 2012 20:28 Ragnarork wrote:On July 06 2012 20:27 adiga wrote:
ammmmmmmmmmm this game is BS ok? ok.
I don't even know why I still watch this BS I'm Terran, ok ? I still have difficulties considering the Queens buff correctly, but Queens doesn't make walling off impossible, RIGHT ? Would that matter? getting a ton of enffestors, ton of broodlords, ton of banelings + the tech with 3 bases really? this is just BS Whats the point for terran to even play? They are supposed to be strong at the early game but after all the patchs terran are no longer can do SHIT against zergs or protoss at the early game unless you go for a cheese. Even bllizard admits that TVP is a race against time and you are basically fucked if you can't hurt the protoss play at the early(that again terran are soooo weak atm). It's not that Queen buff that made the change it's the mindset that now changed for zerg players who feel comfortable at the early and they get the economy going super fast. Way to spoil Coca's accomplishment of being a MKP-killer with your balance whine. Coca IS stronger then MKP. Past and present. Pre-patch and after-patch
Yes because it shows from Cocas results and their long history of facing up against eachother where Coca wins everytime.
I get MKP fanboys but I really don't get player haters against players who don't even do much if any shit talking.
TBH I win a lot of my TvZs but watching these pro matches just makes me want to stop watching cos they're just so horribly 1sided even against the best of Terrans.
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On July 06 2012 20:41 Fubi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 20:38 thepeonwhocould wrote:On July 06 2012 20:34 chrisolo wrote:
I mean I am not playing sc2 anymore, so my oppinion may not be accurate, but isnt Terran ALWAYS losing when Zerg gets Broodlords out? I have never seen a terran win at that stage. o_O Is this a newer problem or is Dustin Browder still trolling the community? Watch Ryung vs DRG game 1 from code S recently for an example of a Terran beating a zerg broodlord army late game. I think it's definately possible to beat broodlords on bigger maps by using drops and avoiding the army. But on tight maps like ohana it does become really hard once broodlords come out. No one is saying it's impossible; we're saying it is much harder for the Terran to execute than it is for the Zerg. Ironically, from your example, Ryung lost that series after winning game 1. Another great example recently is Sculp vs Symbol in GSTL, but ironically again, he loses to Revival the match after, then loses to a Zerg 0-2 in OSL preliminaries a few days later.
And moreover, while doing incredible things, he couldn't even push further after winning a huge battle, because of the Z repop, or because using a lot of HSM is a suicide mission for your ravens.
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The Terran QQ's, they are flowing~~~~~~~~~
MKP didn't wall off and got punished by some nasty ling run bys. Only himself to blame.
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On July 06 2012 20:42 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 20:41 KingPaddy wrote:On July 06 2012 20:39 ImNightmare wrote:On July 06 2012 20:38 adiga wrote:On July 06 2012 20:28 Ragnarork wrote:On July 06 2012 20:27 adiga wrote:
ammmmmmmmmmm this game is BS ok? ok.
I don't even know why I still watch this BS I'm Terran, ok ? I still have difficulties considering the Queens buff correctly, but Queens doesn't make walling off impossible, RIGHT ? Would that matter? getting a ton of enffestors, ton of broodlords, ton of banelings + the tech with 3 bases really? this is just BS Whats the point for terran to even play? They are supposed to be strong at the early game but after all the patchs terran are no longer can do SHIT against zergs or protoss at the early game unless you go for a cheese. Even bllizard admits that TVP is a race against time and you are basically fucked if you can't hurt the protoss play at the early(that again terran are soooo weak atm). It's not that Queen buff that made the change it's the mindset that now changed for zerg players who feel comfortable at the early and they get the economy going super fast. Way to spoil Coca's accomplishment of being a MKP-killer with your balance whine. Coca IS stronger then MKP. Past and present. Pre-patch and after-patch Haha.. what? What's your data for that? Results? well if we are talking about head to head, Coca has always owned MKP
So what? Doesn't make him the "stronger player and always has been".
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On July 06 2012 20:42 Surriel wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 20:41 Xpace wrote:On July 06 2012 20:33 SeeKeR wrote:On July 06 2012 20:33 DwD wrote:Damn it Coca I wanna see Eve  I'm sure we would see Clide before we see Eve If Coca had lost to MKP, shit would have gotten real for SlayerS. JYP/Puzzle/Puma for sure, one of these guys are ready for MKP. But since SlayerS is up 4-1, with MKP/Creator/B(BB4^Bf(x)*2) knocked out... there's a much higher chance to see Eve if Maru beats Coca. What a slap to the face it would have been for Prime if Slayers send out Eve...
And watch Eve kills them.. haha I don't think SlayerS would risk that though, 1 game is crucial.
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On July 06 2012 20:42 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 20:41 KingPaddy wrote:On July 06 2012 20:39 ImNightmare wrote:On July 06 2012 20:38 adiga wrote:On July 06 2012 20:28 Ragnarork wrote:On July 06 2012 20:27 adiga wrote:
ammmmmmmmmmm this game is BS ok? ok.
I don't even know why I still watch this BS I'm Terran, ok ? I still have difficulties considering the Queens buff correctly, but Queens doesn't make walling off impossible, RIGHT ? Would that matter? getting a ton of enffestors, ton of broodlords, ton of banelings + the tech with 3 bases really? this is just BS Whats the point for terran to even play? They are supposed to be strong at the early game but after all the patchs terran are no longer can do SHIT against zergs or protoss at the early game unless you go for a cheese. Even bllizard admits that TVP is a race against time and you are basically fucked if you can't hurt the protoss play at the early(that again terran are soooo weak atm). It's not that Queen buff that made the change it's the mindset that now changed for zerg players who feel comfortable at the early and they get the economy going super fast. Way to spoil Coca's accomplishment of being a MKP-killer with your balance whine. Coca IS stronger then MKP. Past and present. Pre-patch and after-patch Haha.. what? What's your data for that? Results? well if we are talking about head to head, Coca has always owned MKP
Ahhh terran/prime fanboys. They just can't admit it.
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On July 06 2012 20:42 ImNightmare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 20:41 KingPaddy wrote:On July 06 2012 20:39 ImNightmare wrote:On July 06 2012 20:38 adiga wrote:On July 06 2012 20:28 Ragnarork wrote:On July 06 2012 20:27 adiga wrote:
ammmmmmmmmmm this game is BS ok? ok.
I don't even know why I still watch this BS I'm Terran, ok ? I still have difficulties considering the Queens buff correctly, but Queens doesn't make walling off impossible, RIGHT ? Would that matter? getting a ton of enffestors, ton of broodlords, ton of banelings + the tech with 3 bases really? this is just BS Whats the point for terran to even play? They are supposed to be strong at the early game but after all the patchs terran are no longer can do SHIT against zergs or protoss at the early game unless you go for a cheese. Even bllizard admits that TVP is a race against time and you are basically fucked if you can't hurt the protoss play at the early(that again terran are soooo weak atm). It's not that Queen buff that made the change it's the mindset that now changed for zerg players who feel comfortable at the early and they get the economy going super fast. Way to spoil Coca's accomplishment of being a MKP-killer with your balance whine. Coca IS stronger then MKP. Past and present. Pre-patch and after-patch Haha.. what? What's your data for that? Results? Fightclub
You must be kidding me :D
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On July 06 2012 20:42 Surriel wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 20:41 Xpace wrote:On July 06 2012 20:33 SeeKeR wrote:On July 06 2012 20:33 DwD wrote:Damn it Coca I wanna see Eve I'm sure we would see Clide before we see Eve If Coca had lost to MKP, shit would have gotten real for SlayerS. JYP/Puzzle/Puma for sure, one of these guys are ready for MKP. But since SlayerS is up 4-1, with MKP/Creator/B(BB4^Bf(x)*2) knocked out... there's a much higher chance to see Eve if Maru beats Coca. What a slap to the face it would have been for Prime if Slayers send out Eve...
Which is perfect, bringing out the girl against the former champs.
On July 06 2012 20:42 Serinox wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 20:41 Xpace wrote:On July 06 2012 20:33 SeeKeR wrote:On July 06 2012 20:33 DwD wrote:Damn it Coca I wanna see Eve I'm sure we would see Clide before we see Eve If Coca had lost to MKP, shit would have gotten real for SlayerS. JYP/Puzzle/Puma for sure, one of these guys are ready for MKP. But since SlayerS is up 4-1, with MKP/Creator/B(BB4^Bf(x)*2) knocked out... there's a much higher chance to see Eve if Maru beats Coca. She's not on the roster. She's just decoration here.
That's not how fantasies are supposed to play out...
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On July 06 2012 20:41 AxionSteel wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 20:40 Jono7272 wrote:On July 06 2012 20:39 ImNightmare wrote:On July 06 2012 20:38 adiga wrote:On July 06 2012 20:28 Ragnarork wrote:On July 06 2012 20:27 adiga wrote:
ammmmmmmmmmm this game is BS ok? ok.
I don't even know why I still watch this BS I'm Terran, ok ? I still have difficulties considering the Queens buff correctly, but Queens doesn't make walling off impossible, RIGHT ? Would that matter? getting a ton of enffestors, ton of broodlords, ton of banelings + the tech with 3 bases really? this is just BS Whats the point for terran to even play? They are supposed to be strong at the early game but after all the patchs terran are no longer can do SHIT against zergs or protoss at the early game unless you go for a cheese. Even bllizard admits that TVP is a race against time and you are basically fucked if you can't hurt the protoss play at the early(that again terran are soooo weak atm). It's not that Queen buff that made the change it's the mindset that now changed for zerg players who feel comfortable at the early and they get the economy going super fast. Way to spoil Coca's accomplishment of being a MKP-killer with your balance whine. Coca IS stronger then MKP. Past and present. Pre-patch and after-patch Hmmm.. If you say so :/ Yeh rather interesting statement.
Lol MKP is a fucking god prepatch. Some Terrans are slower figuring out the new TvZ style, where micro and multitasking are not more important than patience and army composition (aka turtling :D) anymore. MKP is one of them. As are MVP and MMA.
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The GSL breaks music is even more terrible than Coca is good :p
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Maruuuuuu please carry your team if only this time T____T
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On July 06 2012 20:42 Serinox wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 20:41 Xpace wrote:On July 06 2012 20:33 SeeKeR wrote:On July 06 2012 20:33 DwD wrote:Damn it Coca I wanna see Eve I'm sure we would see Clide before we see Eve If Coca had lost to MKP, shit would have gotten real for SlayerS. JYP/Puzzle/Puma for sure, one of these guys are ready for MKP. But since SlayerS is up 4-1, with MKP/Creator/B(BB4^Bf(x)*2) knocked out... there's a much higher chance to see Eve if Maru beats Coca. She's not on the roster. She's just decoration here.
Just because she wasn't listed at the start of the show in SlayerS' lineup, doesn't mean she can't play.
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On July 06 2012 20:41 HeroMystic wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 20:38 nweb wrote:On July 06 2012 20:37 Rokoz wrote:On July 06 2012 20:36 Andr3 wrote:On July 06 2012 20:34 chrisolo wrote:
I mean I am not playing sc2 anymore, so my oppinion may not be accurate, but isnt Terran ALWAYS losing when Zerg gets Broodlords out? I have never seen a terran win at that stage. o_O Is this a newer problem or is Dustin Browder still trolling the community? Ryung won a like 50 min TvZ vs DRG, macro game. Establishing the 4th is the key + getting enough gas for ravens & lots of agression. But very hard for T :\ What Ryung did isn't possible in Antiga Shipyard. Come on, there is a reason why it's called Terran Shipyard It's because Terran has the easiest time holding the middle, which gives them a powerful defensive position. Antiga Shipyard isn't really a map to abuse mobility.
Only recently Terrans don't ever reach a point where they can hold the middle ramp which is why they are losing so often now on this map.
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On July 06 2012 20:42 Rokoz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 20:39 DidYuhim wrote:On July 06 2012 20:37 Rokoz wrote:On July 06 2012 20:36 Andr3 wrote:On July 06 2012 20:34 chrisolo wrote:
I mean I am not playing sc2 anymore, so my oppinion may not be accurate, but isnt Terran ALWAYS losing when Zerg gets Broodlords out? I have never seen a terran win at that stage. o_O Is this a newer problem or is Dustin Browder still trolling the community? Ryung won a like 50 min TvZ vs DRG, macro game. Establishing the 4th is the key + getting enough gas for ravens & lots of agression. But very hard for T :\ What Ryung did isn't possible in Antiga Shipyard. But, what MMA did against DRG at Shakuras is pretty possible on Antiga. Even more, on Antiga. You talking about Blizzard Cup last year? In the current meta-game MMA would have just lost that game.
The level MMA was at back then is also unrivaled by current Terrans
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On July 06 2012 20:41 ImNightmare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 20:40 Jono7272 wrote:On July 06 2012 20:39 ImNightmare wrote:On July 06 2012 20:38 adiga wrote:On July 06 2012 20:28 Ragnarork wrote:On July 06 2012 20:27 adiga wrote:
ammmmmmmmmmm this game is BS ok? ok.
I don't even know why I still watch this BS I'm Terran, ok ? I still have difficulties considering the Queens buff correctly, but Queens doesn't make walling off impossible, RIGHT ? Would that matter? getting a ton of enffestors, ton of broodlords, ton of banelings + the tech with 3 bases really? this is just BS Whats the point for terran to even play? They are supposed to be strong at the early game but after all the patchs terran are no longer can do SHIT against zergs or protoss at the early game unless you go for a cheese. Even bllizard admits that TVP is a race against time and you are basically fucked if you can't hurt the protoss play at the early(that again terran are soooo weak atm). It's not that Queen buff that made the change it's the mindset that now changed for zerg players who feel comfortable at the early and they get the economy going super fast. Way to spoil Coca's accomplishment of being a MKP-killer with your balance whine. Coca IS stronger then MKP. Past and present. Pre-patch and after-patch Hmmm.. If you say so :/ Oh don't be bias. Coca is stronger then MKP admit it you prime fan boy. I am a IM fan boy and I can tell it as it is.
Right. You are making a stupid sweeping statement, I'm not saying its wrong or right, just that its stupid.
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On July 06 2012 20:43 HaXXspetten wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 20:42 Rokoz wrote:On July 06 2012 20:39 DidYuhim wrote:On July 06 2012 20:37 Rokoz wrote:On July 06 2012 20:36 Andr3 wrote:On July 06 2012 20:34 chrisolo wrote:
I mean I am not playing sc2 anymore, so my oppinion may not be accurate, but isnt Terran ALWAYS losing when Zerg gets Broodlords out? I have never seen a terran win at that stage. o_O Is this a newer problem or is Dustin Browder still trolling the community? Ryung won a like 50 min TvZ vs DRG, macro game. Establishing the 4th is the key + getting enough gas for ravens & lots of agression. But very hard for T :\ What Ryung did isn't possible in Antiga Shipyard. But, what MMA did against DRG at Shakuras is pretty possible on Antiga. Even more, on Antiga. You talking about Blizzard Cup last year? In the current meta-game MMA would have just lost that game. The level MMA was at back then is also unrivaled by current Terrans
hahahaha Haxx you troll <3
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