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On July 06 2012 19:52 ImNightmare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 19:51 MaNaVoId wrote:On July 06 2012 19:50 ImNightmare wrote:On July 06 2012 19:50 Ragnarork wrote:On July 06 2012 19:47 Orek wrote: The moment I saw a hydralisk, I thought it was gg. Surprised yet glad to see Zerg win after making hydralisks even if Protoss messed up for sure. Well, it was balanced by carriers on the other side... Though i think it handicap more the protoss than the zerg imo... Hydralisk vs Carriers. Which is the stronger auto lose unit? What's terran's auto lose unit anyway? Mech against protoss Someone almost made it recently in GSL though. Can't remember who, but he lost because he unsiege all his units at one go. byun went mm tank. Hack almost made it work in the TSL4 qualifiers
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On July 06 2012 19:51 SeeKeR wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 19:50 ImNightmare wrote:On July 06 2012 19:50 Ragnarork wrote:On July 06 2012 19:47 Orek wrote: The moment I saw a hydralisk, I thought it was gg. Surprised yet glad to see Zerg win after making hydralisks even if Protoss messed up for sure. Well, it was balanced by carriers on the other side... Though i think it handicap more the protoss than the zerg imo... Hydralisk vs Carriers. Which is the stronger auto lose unit? What's terran's auto lose unit anyway? Reapers Nooooo way. I love reapers. my favourite unit when I offrace terran. So fun to check their kill score. Its like a mini cs.
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Creator just missed timing where he could just a-move against Coca. He was that far ahead. Coca often traded a lot of units for, basically, nothing. Instead, Creator chilled in the back, doing nothing. There we have, complete loss.
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On July 06 2012 19:51 MaNaVoId wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 19:50 ImNightmare wrote:On July 06 2012 19:50 Ragnarork wrote:On July 06 2012 19:47 Orek wrote: The moment I saw a hydralisk, I thought it was gg. Surprised yet glad to see Zerg win after making hydralisks even if Protoss messed up for sure. Well, it was balanced by carriers on the other side... Though i think it handicap more the protoss than the zerg imo... Hydralisk vs Carriers. Which is the stronger auto lose unit? What's terran's auto lose unit anyway? Mech against protoss
I dunno man, Hack might have somethin' to say about that.
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On July 06 2012 19:47 An2quamaraN wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 19:43 Rokoz wrote:On July 06 2012 19:42 An2quamaraN wrote: Isn't it interesting that Zerg can make so many mistakes, get outplayed on so many levels...and just a-move at the end?
Anyway, interesting game. That's how I feel in TvP as Terran. As far as I remember, if i make one mistake as protoss against terran (get emp'ed) or miss storms i loose automatically... But it's not a thread for this kind of arguments, this is LR thread 
Well same can be said about Zerg in ZvP if they lose all their Bloodlords to vortex and lose 
But I agree with your second point.
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On July 06 2012 19:51 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 19:50 NrGmonk wrote: I don't know what you guys are talking about, carriers are completely standard late game PvZ now. Creator only lost because he didn't save a vortex. It's just like people who still complain about ultralisks whenever a zerg loses >.> it's just a stigma that will take a long time if ever to go away
It'll go away in HotS
=D
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whats with the 10 minute breaks between games?
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On July 06 2012 19:52 AxionSteel wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 19:50 NrGmonk wrote: I don't know what you guys are talking about, carriers are completely standard late game PvZ now. Creator only lost because he didn't save a vortex. Agreed, they're extremely good.
People that say carriers are bad have obviously not paid any attention to the latest PvZ meta.. Carriers are completely unstoppable when you have one or two vortexes available. Still think it's dumb that a matchup gets decided by one ability this much, though...
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Where dat snitch at?36921 Posts
On July 06 2012 19:50 NrGmonk wrote: I don't know what you guys are talking about, carriers are completely standard late game PvZ now. Creator only lost because he didn't save a vortex. Just at a curiosity, did u read my strong like NrGmonk comment?
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On July 06 2012 19:51 Pyre wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 19:50 ImNightmare wrote:On July 06 2012 19:50 Ragnarork wrote:On July 06 2012 19:47 Orek wrote: The moment I saw a hydralisk, I thought it was gg. Surprised yet glad to see Zerg win after making hydralisks even if Protoss messed up for sure. Well, it was balanced by carriers on the other side... Though i think it handicap more the protoss than the zerg imo... Hydralisk vs Carriers. Which is the stronger auto lose unit? What's terran's auto lose unit anyway? i'd say mass thors or bcs
Mass BC's work amazingly in late game TvP. Like, you have to rally fuck up to lose with them (and by really fuck up I mean have 10+ get sucked in a vortex with 6-7 archons)
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On July 06 2012 19:43 Rokoz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 19:42 An2quamaraN wrote: Isn't it interesting that Zerg can make so many mistakes, get outplayed on so many levels...and just a-move at the end?
Anyway, interesting game. That's how I feel in TvP as Terran.
That's how I feel in PvT as Protoss.
But to be fair, I think our match-up has always been: "If you engage poorly or if one thing goes wrong (spellcaster hits, high tech units getting taken out early, etc.), your opponent rolls you and then keeps rolling you" and the game is just over. It's less common for Protoss and Terran armies to break even and reset, I think.
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On July 06 2012 19:53 Fragile51 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 19:52 AxionSteel wrote:On July 06 2012 19:50 NrGmonk wrote: I don't know what you guys are talking about, carriers are completely standard late game PvZ now. Creator only lost because he didn't save a vortex. Agreed, they're extremely good. People that say carriers are bad have obviously not paid any attention to the latest PvZ meta.. Carriers are completely unstoppable when you have one or two vortexes available. Still think it's dumb that a matchup gets decided by one ability this much, though... So what are you guys gonna do when HoTs comes out?
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On July 06 2012 19:50 NrGmonk wrote: I don't know what you guys are talking about, carriers are completely standard late game PvZ now. Creator only lost because he didn't save a vortex. Where is it standard? I watch almost all GSL and major tounamnets never see them much at all let alone standard. I am yearly ticket holder so if you could suggest some games I missed appreciate it.
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On July 06 2012 19:52 ImNightmare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 19:51 MaNaVoId wrote:On July 06 2012 19:50 ImNightmare wrote:On July 06 2012 19:50 Ragnarork wrote:On July 06 2012 19:47 Orek wrote: The moment I saw a hydralisk, I thought it was gg. Surprised yet glad to see Zerg win after making hydralisks even if Protoss messed up for sure. Well, it was balanced by carriers on the other side... Though i think it handicap more the protoss than the zerg imo... Hydralisk vs Carriers. Which is the stronger auto lose unit? What's terran's auto lose unit anyway? Mech against protoss Someone almost made it recently in GSL though. Can't remember who, but he lost because he unsiege all his units at one go. You are thinking about Byun.
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On July 06 2012 19:53 ImNightmare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 19:51 SeeKeR wrote:On July 06 2012 19:50 ImNightmare wrote:On July 06 2012 19:50 Ragnarork wrote:On July 06 2012 19:47 Orek wrote: The moment I saw a hydralisk, I thought it was gg. Surprised yet glad to see Zerg win after making hydralisks even if Protoss messed up for sure. Well, it was balanced by carriers on the other side... Though i think it handicap more the protoss than the zerg imo... Hydralisk vs Carriers. Which is the stronger auto lose unit? What's terran's auto lose unit anyway? Reapers Nooooo way. I love reapers. my favourite unit when I offrace terran. So fun to check their kill score. Its like a mini cs. Let's hear what TL thinks then for I too, love reapers
Poll: Terran auto-lose unit?BCs (11) 52% Other (4) 19% Reapers (3) 14% Ravens (3) 14% Thors (0) 0% 21 total votes Your vote: Terran auto-lose unit? (Vote): Reapers (Vote): Ravens (Vote): BCs (Vote): Thors (Vote): Other
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On July 06 2012 19:52 ImNightmare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 19:51 MaNaVoId wrote:On July 06 2012 19:50 ImNightmare wrote:On July 06 2012 19:50 Ragnarork wrote:On July 06 2012 19:47 Orek wrote: The moment I saw a hydralisk, I thought it was gg. Surprised yet glad to see Zerg win after making hydralisks even if Protoss messed up for sure. Well, it was balanced by carriers on the other side... Though i think it handicap more the protoss than the zerg imo... Hydralisk vs Carriers. Which is the stronger auto lose unit? What's terran's auto lose unit anyway? Mech against protoss Someone almost made it recently in GSL though. Can't remember who, but he lost because he unsiege all his units at one go. Byun vs Genius?
It was a good build, but you could see that he was bound to lose eventually, tanks just die to easily and are far too easy to get caught unsieged. Even in TvZ they're very easy to catch unsieged, just that they're a necessity vs banelings and infestors.
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On July 06 2012 19:54 ACrow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 19:52 ImNightmare wrote:On July 06 2012 19:51 MaNaVoId wrote:On July 06 2012 19:50 ImNightmare wrote:On July 06 2012 19:50 Ragnarork wrote:On July 06 2012 19:47 Orek wrote: The moment I saw a hydralisk, I thought it was gg. Surprised yet glad to see Zerg win after making hydralisks even if Protoss messed up for sure. Well, it was balanced by carriers on the other side... Though i think it handicap more the protoss than the zerg imo... Hydralisk vs Carriers. Which is the stronger auto lose unit? What's terran's auto lose unit anyway? Mech against protoss Someone almost made it recently in GSL though. Can't remember who, but he lost because he unsiege all his units at one go. You are thinking about Byun. Yeah yeah, I think so. I think. or was it hack? I can't remember. ITs 4 am man..
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On July 06 2012 19:48 ImNightmare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 19:47 jmbthirteen wrote: Coca just did the Zerg version of that timing where Toss's attack right before broodlords come out. attacking before the carriers are completely out. perfect timing on that attack. Not taking anything away from Coca but i think he was just lucky. He didn't scout carriers, not from what we can see on the gsl stream anyway. I think he was just trying to play till the end. Wasn't luck.
He has a Brood Lord army. His opponent is harassing around the map and Coca knows he can't defend it and must attack to force Creator away. He knows his opponent hasn't got the Archon toilet available thanks to Recalls. What better time to push in, regardless of whether Stargates are up or not? Even if he guessed Stargates, waiting for them to kick in would have been a terrible idea - his timing was the logical thing to do, not luck, and Creator should have realised as much.
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That loss for creator reminds me of 80% of my losses in ZvP, you trade a bunch of army(or energy) to do economic damage, and then die to the corresponding counter right before BL's(carriers) pop.
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On July 06 2012 19:54 SeeKeR wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 19:53 ImNightmare wrote:On July 06 2012 19:51 SeeKeR wrote:On July 06 2012 19:50 ImNightmare wrote:On July 06 2012 19:50 Ragnarork wrote:On July 06 2012 19:47 Orek wrote: The moment I saw a hydralisk, I thought it was gg. Surprised yet glad to see Zerg win after making hydralisks even if Protoss messed up for sure. Well, it was balanced by carriers on the other side... Though i think it handicap more the protoss than the zerg imo... Hydralisk vs Carriers. Which is the stronger auto lose unit? What's terran's auto lose unit anyway? Reapers Nooooo way. I love reapers. my favourite unit when I offrace terran. So fun to check their kill score. Its like a mini cs. Let's hear what TL thinks then  for I too, love reapers Poll: Terran auto-lose unit?BCs (11) 52% Other (4) 19% Reapers (3) 14% Ravens (3) 14% Thors (0) 0% 21 total votes Your vote: Terran auto-lose unit? (Vote): Reapers (Vote): Ravens (Vote): BCs (Vote): Thors (Vote): Other
Dat Poll.
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