MLG Summer KR-TW Invite OQ - Page 6

On July 01 2012 21:28 Xoronius wrote:


If you look at math, it surely isn´t, I am aware of that. If you look at reality, if indicates the better player at this MU.

On July 01 2012 21:38 Talin wrote:


Math describes reality, so rules that apply to one inevitably apply to the other.

Point being, SaSe being 4-0 against Taeja is an anomaly, even when you look at only that one specific matchup (TvP/PvT). So two things can happen in the future - SaSe can beat Taeja a few more times against almost impossible and ever increasing odds, or that statistic will start swinging into Taeja's favor rather quickly as the sample size of games grows. That's what the probability tells us.

What Starcraft tells us is that Taeja is perfectly equipped to deal with the best Protoss players in the world. The possibility that SaSe knows some sort of arcane secret of how to beat Taeja specifically and that he can do that repeatedly over a long period of time is incredibly unlikely from either Starcraft or the probabilistic standpoint.

On July 01 2012 22:01 Proseat wrote:
According to the official bracket HerO seems to have beaten aLive 2:1 in the Grand Final. Well done!

On July 01 2012 22:04 CygnusAres wrote:


Not yet, it's extended series match, HerO beat Alive 2:1 on the winner round earlier.

On July 01 2012 21:46 Xoronius wrote:


I know, how maths works. Sase´s odds to beat Taeja are not increasing, as things in the past do not effect future probabilities (If you flip 5 coins and get 5 numbers, the chance for the 6th is again 50%). If they stay both at the same skill level, Sase has the same chance "p" to beat Taeja, each time they meet. I am just saying, the the past indicates, that this "p" is relatively high.

On July 01 2012 22:32 Talin wrote:
If you flip 4 coins and get 4 heads, the probability of next one being a head as well is actually .03125, not .5.

On July 01 2012 22:32 Talin wrote:


That is certainly not how math works. In both cases, if you look at 4-5 coins/games, the combination of outcomes does affect the probability distribution of the next toss/game. You are looking at the possible outcomes for 5-6 coins/games, not just one.

If you flip 4 coins and get 4 heads, the probability of next one being a head as well is actually .03125, not .5. This is where SaSe's at if we assume that he has .5 chance of beating Taeja in a singular game (which is a very favorable assumption for SaSe).

On July 01 2012 22:44 Fermats_last wrote:
I'm confused, how many qualify from this?

1위: 	TBA
2위: 	TBA
3위: 	테란/Terran윤영서/TaeJa(21)
4위: 	테란/Terran김동원/Ryung(03)
5-6위: 	저그/Zerg황강호/LG-IMLosirA(16)
5-6위: 	테란/Terran김정훈/Top(25)
7-8위: 	테란/Terran박서용/FnaticRC_Rain(04)
7-8위: 	저그/Zerg강현우/LG-IMFirst(22)
9위: 	테란/Terran김동주/coL.GanZi(01)
10위: 	저그/Zerg김동현/TSL_Revival(26)
11위: 	테란/Terran조중혁/MVPDream(05)
12위: 	저그/Zerg한지원/FnaticRC_Byul(09)
13위: 	저그/Zerg고석현/TSL_HyuN(20)

On July 01 2012 23:43 vthree wrote:
I think IM.First is a Protoss?

On July 01 2012 20:31 Hall0wed wrote:


Stephano hasn't won a major tournament since IPL3 and since when does beating a particular person make you automatically better than them? There are so many examples of one person beating another when the loser in that situation is the superior player, I wouldn't even know where to start if I wanted to list them all. Go ahead and list Sase and Stephano's results in Korea though, I will anticipate these stats on their great play there.




No, I shit on ignorance. I like many foreign players and think some a quite good but I can't stand how many people overhype them to beyond ridiculous levels. I always try to avoid places where the overhype happens but apparently I'm not even safe in a Korean qualifier thread anymore.

Go ahead and make your case for how Sase is better than Taeja though, I am interested in what Sase has done that is better than all-killing Prime, and that is just the start of the list.