MLG Summer KR-TW Invite OQ

On July 01 2012 13:53 NrGmonk wrote:
Taeja seems to do really well in this format.

On July 01 2012 14:08 pookadin wrote:
I see JYP (박진영(08)) against ByuL..however ByuL advanced after a 1-0. Is it single elimination in the first round?

On July 01 2012 14:08 pookadin wrote:
I see JYP (박진영(08)) against ByuL..however ByuL advanced after a 1-0. Is it single elimination in the first round?

On July 01 2012 14:31 IMNotMvp wrote:
no stream?

On July 01 2012 14:21 Kieofire wrote:


They don't? All of them lost in the winners bracket.

On July 01 2012 14:39 Shellshock1122 wrote:

I dont think any of the MLG qualifiers have been streamed

On July 01 2012 15:15 MetalPanda wrote:
who qualifies in the end? top 2? top 1?

On July 01 2012 15:15 MetalPanda wrote:
who qualifies in the end? top 2? top 1?

On July 01 2012 15:20 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Beat Nestea, lose to Byul. Makes perfect sense.

On July 01 2012 15:24 Khalleb wrote:
why hero have to be in the same bracket of taeja T_______T

On July 01 2012 15:24 Khalleb wrote:
why hero have to be in the same bracket of taeja T_______T

On July 01 2012 15:24 Khalleb wrote:
why hero have to be in the same bracket of taeja T_______T

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On July 01 2012 16:01 Kieofire wrote:


Im still lost about this though, shouldn't Top, Taeja, and HerO be qualified because of the other Korean Qualifier? Same goes for a few more players from this qualifier.

On July 01 2012 16:01 Kieofire wrote:


Im still lost about this though, shouldn't Top, Taeja, and HerO be qualified because of the other Korean Qualifier? Same goes for a few more players from this qualifier.

On July 01 2012 16:04 cablesc wrote:


That qualifier was to get into this qualifier. This qualifier includes the high placers from the previous MLG championship. Top 9 of this qualifier goes to MLG Summer Arena.

Summer Invite-Only Online Qualifiers

Players finishing 1st-6th in the Summer North America Invite-Only Online Qualifier, 1st-9th in the Summer Europe Invite-Only Online Qualifier, or 1st-9th in the Summer Korea/Taiwan Invite-Only Online Qualifier may be entitled to an all-expense paid trip, including flight and a four night hotel stay, to the Summer Arena. In order to be eligible for the flight, a Player’s departure/return airport must be within their qualifying region. Players who are ineligible for the flight will only have their hotel stay booked. Unlike previous seasons, Players who are ineligible for the flight will not receive a Travel Stipend.

On July 01 2012 16:45 AxionSteel wrote:
Good to see TOP returning to form, been pretty consistent in a few online tourneys recently.

MMA 2-0'ing NesTea, then getting 0-2'd by ByuL who then went on to get 2-0'd by Rain is a rather interesting set of results

On July 01 2012 17:23 SilentSC2 wrote:
Why the hell isn't TOP on a team yet... he's such a skilled player.

On July 01 2012 17:23 SilentSC2 wrote:
Why the hell isn't TOP on a team yet... he's such a skilled player.

On July 01 2012 17:51 cablesc wrote:
Ganzi just beat Revival for 9th. That means that the qualifiers are:

Losira
Taeja
Ryung
Hero
Rain
Top
Alive
First
Ganzi

On July 01 2012 18:15 NHY wrote:


+

DRG
Alicia
MKP
SaSe
Stephano
PuMa
Polt
Inori

+

6 NA
9 EU

On July 01 2012 17:51 cablesc wrote:
Ganzi just beat Revival for 9th. That means that the qualifiers are:

Losira
Taeja
Ryung
Hero
Rain
Top
Alive
First
Ganzi

On July 01 2012 18:15 NHY wrote:


+

DRG
Alicia
MKP
SaSe
Stephano
PuMa
Polt
Inori

+

6 NA
9 EU

On July 01 2012 18:50 EthanAhn wrote:
MVPDongRaeGu, TSL_Polt, TSL_Inori is give up. because there team advanced GSTL semi-finals.

so, FXOLeenock (MLG Spring chanmpionships 9th), FnaticRC_Oz (MLG Spring chanmpionships 10th), SK_MC (top seed of MLG Spring chanmpionships 13-16th) joined summer arena.

If FnaticRC advance GSTL semi-finals Oz, aLive, Rain, ByuL is give up in MLG arena.

On July 01 2012 18:52 opterown wrote:

what about marineking?

On July 01 2012 18:45 vthree wrote:
Doable for Euro? Not sure if serious. I mean, I can see some euro taking sets of the people from above, but they would still be serious underdogs except for maybe Stephano. Thorzain, whom I think most would consider top 5 euro lost both his matches in this qualifier. Could an Euro player make a great run? Yes, but I would not use doable.

On July 01 2012 18:36 Xoronius wrote:


This seems quite doable for Euros, noone really scary here. aLive in his IPL form could be a problem, but the rest does´nt semm to monstous.

Edit: Just realised, that top 8 from srping are qualified as well, which makes it much harder.

On July 01 2012 18:50 EthanAhn wrote:
MVPDongRaeGu, TSL_Polt, TSL_Inori is give up. because there team advanced GSTL semi-finals.

so, FXOLeenock (MLG Spring chanmpionships 9th), FnaticRC_Oz (MLG Spring chanmpionships 10th), SK_MC (top seed of MLG Spring chanmpionships 13-16th) joined summer arena.

If FnaticRC advance GSTL semi-finals Oz, aLive, Rain, ByuL is give up in MLG arena.

On July 01 2012 19:27 Hall0wed wrote:
Doable for Euros, ha, have fun with that. Not even that crazy of a line-up but still far too much for foreign players. aLive in any form could win this, though with how Taeja has been playing I could see him walking all over this thing without breaking a sweat. especially with no DRG around to stop him. Hero would be the only problem for him, and maybe Leenock if he is playing ZvT on the same level he does when he plays MVP.

On July 01 2012 19:31 StarVe wrote:


Players qualified from Europe are not exactly who you'd have expected them to be. Gonna be extremely hard.
...

Don't click if you hate spoilers, I don't know if they're going to broadcast some games later on.

On July 01 2012 19:44 Xoronius wrote:


Are we talking about the same Taeja? Because at Dreamhack I didn´t have the impression, that he is a threat to top-europeans. I would be very surprised, to see him taking a series of Sase/Stephano.



That is interesting I have to say. But you should edit it out, mods don´t like that kind of stuff. But I don´t mind, Bly and Tefel did well, too, last arena, so I don´t know, why these guys shouldn´t.

On July 01 2012 19:47 StarVe wrote:

Why should I edit it? What's the difference to this thread? If KR qualifiers are played and results are known, why wouldn't it be okay to post EU results with a spoiler warning?

On July 01 2012 19:44 Xoronius wrote:


Are we talking about the same Taeja? Because at Dreamhack I didn´t have the impression, that he is a threat to top-europeans. I would be very surprised, to see him taking a series of Sase/Stephano.



That is interesting I have to say. But you should edit it out, mods don´t like that kind of stuff. But I don´t mind, Bly and Tefel did well, too, last arena, so I don´t know, why these guys shouldn´t.

On July 01 2012 19:44 Xoronius wrote:


Are we talking about the same Taeja? Because at Dreamhack I didn´t have the impression, that he is a threat to top-europeans. I would be very surprised, to see him taking a series of Sase/Stephano.

On July 01 2012 19:44 Xoronius wrote:


Are we talking about the same Taeja? Because at Dreamhack I didn´t have the impression, that he is a threat to top-europeans. I would be very surprised, to see him taking a series of Sase/Stephano.

On July 01 2012 19:47 StarVe wrote:

Why should I edit it? What's the difference to this thread? If KR qualifiers are played and results are known, why wouldn't it be okay to post EU results with a spoiler warning?

On July 01 2012 20:01 Hall0wed wrote:


Ok now I know that you aren't serious, comparing Sase and Stephano to Taeja? xD I can only assume you don't follow the Korean scene whatsoever and you are one of those people that continues to vastly overrate foreign players.

Taeja did not play particularly well at Dreamhack and he has also been on a huge roll ever since then. Have you ever heard of the Korean Weekly? Yeah, they don't call it the Taeja Weekly for no particular reason. Please pay a little more attention to the scene before you try to say crazy things like this.

On July 01 2012 20:16 Xoronius wrote:


Sase is 4-0 against Taeja and Stephano has won major tournaments , whereas taeja hasn´t. Why would you say, a guy, who is 0-4 against another is better than him? I know the korean weekly, but as long as Taeja doesn´t win offline, that will not make him a favorite. Take Goody or Nerchio, they have won numerous cups as well.

On July 01 2012 20:01 Hall0wed wrote:


Ok now I know that you aren't serious, comparing Sase and Stephano to Taeja? xD I can only assume you don't follow the Korean scene whatsoever and you are one of those people that continues to vastly overrate foreign players.

Taeja did not play particularly well at Dreamhack and he has also been on a huge roll ever since then. Have you ever heard of the Korean Weekly? Yeah, they don't call it the Taeja Weekly for no particular reason. Please pay a little more attention to the scene before you try to say crazy things like this.

On July 01 2012 20:16 Xoronius wrote:


Sase is 4-0 against Taeja and Stephano has won major tournaments , whereas taeja hasn´t. Why would you say, a guy, who is 0-4 against another is better than him? I know the korean weekly, but as long as Taeja doesn´t win offline, that will not make him a favorite. Take Goody or Nerchio, they have won numerous cups as well.

On July 01 2012 20:20 AxionSteel wrote:


He always shits on foreign players, it's nothing new. SaSe has dominated him the two series they met, but it's not because SaSe is a good player, it's because TaeJa had an off day. Twice.

On July 01 2012 20:31 Hall0wed wrote:


Stephano hasn't won a major tournament since IPL3 and since when does beating a particular person make you automatically better than them? There are so many examples of one person beating another when the loser in that situation is the superior player, I wouldn't even know where to start if I wanted to list them all. Go ahead and list Sase and Stephano's results in Korea though, I will anticipate these stats on their great play there.




No, I shit on ignorance. I like many foreign players and think some a quite good but I can't stand how many people overhype them to beyond ridiculous levels. I always try to avoid places where the overhype happens but apparently I'm not even safe in a Korean qualifier thread anymore.

Go ahead and make your case for how Sase is better than Taeja though, I am interested in what Sase has done that is better than all-killing Prime, and that is just the start of the list.

On July 01 2012 20:42 AxionSteel wrote:


I've never said SaSe is better than TaeJa, TaeJa is a really skilled and talented player, but he can be beaten, as SaSe showed twice.

On July 01 2012 20:31 Hall0wed wrote:
Stephano hasn't won a major tournament since IPL3 and since when does beating a particular person make you automatically better than them? There are so many examples of one person beating another when the loser in that situation is the superior player, I wouldn't even know where to start if I wanted to list them all. Go ahead and list Sase and Stephano's results in Korea though, I will anticipate these stats on their great play there.

On July 01 2012 20:31 Hall0wed wrote:
No, I shit on ignorance. I like many foreign players and think some a quite good but I can't stand how many people overhype them to beyond ridiculous levels. I always try to avoid places where the overhype happens but apparently I'm not even safe in a Korean qualifier thread anymore.

Go ahead and make your case for how Sase is better than Taeja though, I am interested in what Sase has done that is better than all-killing Prime, and that is just the start of the list.

On July 01 2012 20:56 Xoronius wrote:
I just say, a guy, who is already 4-0 against another, will most likely beat him again.

On July 01 2012 21:23 Talin wrote:


That is not how probability works.

On July 01 2012 21:23 Talin wrote:


That is not how probability works.

On July 01 2012 20:46 opterown wrote:
man, this is an interesting argument to follow.

On July 01 2012 21:28 Xoronius wrote:


If you look at math, it surely isn´t, I am aware of that. If you look at reality, if indicates the better player at this MU.

On July 01 2012 21:38 Talin wrote:


Math describes reality, so rules that apply to one inevitably apply to the other.

Point being, SaSe being 4-0 against Taeja is an anomaly, even when you look at only that one specific matchup (TvP/PvT). So two things can happen in the future - SaSe can beat Taeja a few more times against almost impossible and ever increasing odds, or that statistic will start swinging into Taeja's favor rather quickly as the sample size of games grows. That's what the probability tells us.

What Starcraft tells us is that Taeja is perfectly equipped to deal with the best Protoss players in the world. The possibility that SaSe knows some sort of arcane secret of how to beat Taeja specifically and that he can do that repeatedly over a long period of time is incredibly unlikely from either Starcraft or the probabilistic standpoint.

On July 01 2012 22:01 Proseat wrote:
According to the official bracket HerO seems to have beaten aLive 2:1 in the Grand Final. Well done!

On July 01 2012 22:04 CygnusAres wrote:


Not yet, it's extended series match, HerO beat Alive 2:1 on the winner round earlier.

On July 01 2012 21:46 Xoronius wrote:


I know, how maths works. Sase´s odds to beat Taeja are not increasing, as things in the past do not effect future probabilities (If you flip 5 coins and get 5 numbers, the chance for the 6th is again 50%). If they stay both at the same skill level, Sase has the same chance "p" to beat Taeja, each time they meet. I am just saying, the the past indicates, that this "p" is relatively high.

On July 01 2012 22:32 Talin wrote:
If you flip 4 coins and get 4 heads, the probability of next one being a head as well is actually .03125, not .5.

On July 01 2012 22:32 Talin wrote:


That is certainly not how math works. In both cases, if you look at 4-5 coins/games, the combination of outcomes does affect the probability distribution of the next toss/game. You are looking at the possible outcomes for 5-6 coins/games, not just one.

If you flip 4 coins and get 4 heads, the probability of next one being a head as well is actually .03125, not .5. This is where SaSe's at if we assume that he has .5 chance of beating Taeja in a singular game (which is a very favorable assumption for SaSe).

On July 01 2012 22:44 Fermats_last wrote:
I'm confused, how many qualify from this?

1위: 	TBA
2위: 	TBA
3위: 	테란/Terran윤영서/TaeJa(21)
4위: 	테란/Terran김동원/Ryung(03)
5-6위: 	저그/Zerg황강호/LG-IMLosirA(16)
5-6위: 	테란/Terran김정훈/Top(25)
7-8위: 	테란/Terran박서용/FnaticRC_Rain(04)
7-8위: 	저그/Zerg강현우/LG-IMFirst(22)
9위: 	테란/Terran김동주/coL.GanZi(01)
10위: 	저그/Zerg김동현/TSL_Revival(26)
11위: 	테란/Terran조중혁/MVPDream(05)
12위: 	저그/Zerg한지원/FnaticRC_Byul(09)
13위: 	저그/Zerg고석현/TSL_HyuN(20)

On July 01 2012 23:43 vthree wrote:
I think IM.First is a Protoss?

On July 01 2012 20:31 Hall0wed wrote:


Stephano hasn't won a major tournament since IPL3 and since when does beating a particular person make you automatically better than them? There are so many examples of one person beating another when the loser in that situation is the superior player, I wouldn't even know where to start if I wanted to list them all. Go ahead and list Sase and Stephano's results in Korea though, I will anticipate these stats on their great play there.




No, I shit on ignorance. I like many foreign players and think some a quite good but I can't stand how many people overhype them to beyond ridiculous levels. I always try to avoid places where the overhype happens but apparently I'm not even safe in a Korean qualifier thread anymore.

Go ahead and make your case for how Sase is better than Taeja though, I am interested in what Sase has done that is better than all-killing Prime, and that is just the start of the list.

On July 02 2012 00:21 Rhaegar_tar wrote:

Stephano is much better than Taeja(he's won a lot of tourneys in 2012 and is always top 3 in others), he placed way better than him in all the tourneys that oth entered...You speak about a lot of Taeja's achievements but Stephano wasn't there so it's pretty stupid to compare them based on this(Ro8of code S or winning some MLG qualifier)...
But i agree on Sase's part, the guy is so overrated it ain't funny, doing well in one tourney doesn't mean shit(hell, he's not even GM on the korean ladder).

On July 02 2012 00:21 Rhaegar_tar wrote:

Stephano is much better than Taeja(he's won a lot of tourneys in 2012 and is always top 3 in others), he placed way better than him in all the tourneys that oth entered...You speak about a lot of Taeja's achievements but Stephano wasn't there so it's pretty stupid to compare them based on this(Ro8of code S or winning some MLG qualifier)...
But i agree on Sase's part, the guy is so overrated it ain't funny, doing well in one tourney doesn't mean shit(hell, he's not even GM on the korean ladder).

On July 02 2012 01:10 Kkxtrouble wrote:

I present the definition of bias.

On July 02 2012 03:21 Rhaegar_tar wrote:


It's certainly less biased than saying Taeja is better than Stephano because he made ro8 of code S...

On July 02 2012 03:41 Lennient wrote:

qualified for MLG KR, all-killed Prime, been in code S for awhile, #1 KR ladder at one point, being one of the terrans in Ro8 despite the fact that Zerg is dominating. now is your turn ? ( plz don't tell me Stephano is better cuz he won ipl3)
I almost forgot that Taeja is the ESV KR-weekly bonjwa.

On July 02 2012 03:49 blamekilly wrote:
Jesus MMA going 0-2 against Losira, Byul, and Hyun. I guess we can't call him the TvZ specialist anymore. It's actually his worst match up now.

On July 02 2012 03:53 pak150 wrote:


That's probably true with most terrans at the moment. It'll be interesting to see how they adapt in the next few months.

On July 02 2012 03:48 Benjamin99 wrote:
I allways enjoy people saying x is better then y without providing any facts to back it up. This is sc2 we got some of the best stats of any sports.

So lets compare Stephano to Taeja shall we:

Stephano:

2011.
ESWC champion,
IPL 3 champion

2012.
IPL 4 UK qualifier insomnia cup: Champion
Assemply winter: 2nd place
Lonestar clash: Champion
Redbull battlegrounds: 3rd place
IPL 4: 5th place
MLG arena: 3rd place
MLG anahaim: 5th place


ELO ranking: 1st 2462 points
http://www.sc2charts.net/en/edb/ranking/players: 5th

Price earnings: http://sc2earnings.com/ rank 9 123,000 dollars

Taeja:

2011

GSL:

Code S: R032
Code A: R04

2012

Code S: R08
Assemply summer: 8-16 place
Redbull battleground 5-8th

ELO ranking: 30th
http://www.sc2charts.net/en/edb/ranking/players: 9th

Price earnings: http://sc2earnings.com/ rank 99 10,150 dollars

So Hall0wed is right Taeja is much better!

On July 02 2012 03:48 Benjamin99 wrote:
I allways enjoy people saying x is better then y without providing any facts to back it up. This is sc2 we got some of the best stats of any sports.

So lets compare Stephano to Taeja shall we:

Stephano:

2011.
ESWC champion,
IPL 3 champion

2012.
IPL 4 UK qualifier insomnia cup: Champion
Assemply winter: 2nd place
Lonestar clash: Champion
Redbull battlegrounds: 3rd place
IPL 4: 5th place
MLG arena: 3rd place
MLG anahaim: 5th place


ELO ranking: 1st 2462 points
http://www.sc2charts.net/en/edb/ranking/players: 5th

Price earnings: http://sc2earnings.com/ rank 9 123,000 dollars

Taeja:

2011

GSL:

Code S: R032
Code A: R04

2012

Code S: R08
Assemply summer: 8-16 place
Redbull battleground 5-8th

ELO ranking: 30th
http://www.sc2charts.net/en/edb/ranking/players: 9th

Price earnings: http://sc2earnings.com/ rank 99 10,150 dollars

So Hall0wed is right Taeja is much better!

On July 02 2012 03:58 CosmicSpiral wrote:


Benjamin did you just try to use Elo with a straight face? Get that weak shit outta here. XD

On July 02 2012 04:00 Benjamin99 wrote:


Thats why I included sc2charts I like that better but not many use it:D

leveLTory`Judah ‏@Ethan_Ahn
Liquid`HerO wins 2-1 over FnaticRC_aLive Finals. #MLGsummer invite OQ. HerO is 1st. aLive is 2nd. #SC2
5:56 PM - 1 Jul 12 via web

1위: 	프로토스/Protoss송현덕/HerO(23)
2위: 	테란/Terran한이석/aLive(02)
3위: 	테란/Terran윤영서/TaeJa(21)
4위: 	테란/Terran김동원/Ryung(03)
5위: 	저그/Zerg황강호/LG-IMLosirA(16)
6위: 	테란/Terran김정훈/Top(25)
7위: 	테란/Terran박서용/FnaticRC_Rain(04)
8위: 	프로토스/Protoss강현우/LG-IMFirst(22)
9위: 	테란/Terran김동주/coL.GanZi(01)
10위: 	저그/Zerg김동현/TSL_Revival(26)
11위: 	테란/Terran조중혁/MVPDream(05)
12위: 	저그/Zerg한지원/FnaticRC_Byul(09)
13위: 	저그/Zerg고석현/TSL_HyuN(20)

Original Message From EthanAhn:


Oh. First is Protoss. Race Mark is error in the Leveltory.
i'm change tomorrow. Thx. u r message

On July 02 2012 04:03 CosmicSpiral wrote:


Yeah but when you are using statistics to prove x is better than y, you need to use relevant ones.