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[IPL] IPL5 International Regional

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IGNProLeague
Profile Joined April 2011
1184 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-29 23:20:34
June 26 2012 20:02 GMT
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Hello everyone! This is the official thread for the one and only International Regional for our next LIVE event, IGN Pro League 5! The top two players of this Regional will earn free travel and hotel stay for the live event. They will also earn an automatic seed into Winners Round 3 at the event. Our North American, European, and Korean Regionals have already concluded. This International Regional is open to everyone and is the last chance for pros to win a free trip to IPL5. You will want to play your absolute best to secure this amazing prize!

Unfortunately, we are not yet able to announce the date or location of our live event. All we can tell you is that it is coming up soon and these qualifiers were scheduled in a way that ensures that we have time for travel preparations to be made. If for any reason, a player who qualifies in these online qualifiers cannot make the trip to our live event, their registration fee will be refunded and we will use the Regional results to determine who will receive the free travel, hotel, and tournament seed instead.



Bracket Link: http://challonge.com/ipl5int

IPL5 Regional and Satellite Information

IPL Stream Link: http://www.twitch.tv/ignproleague

IPL 720p Subscription Link: https://secure.justin.tv/ignproleague/subscribe/138/signup

When
  • International Regional: Saturday, Jun 30 5:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) You can register any time before Friday, Jun 29 6:59am GMT (GMT+00:00). There is an entry fee of $10 (USD).

    The link for the International Regional on June 30th is http://form.jotformpro.com/form/21357641206953 ! Please only register with your North American account.

The Format!

Players should be online and ready to play within 30 minutes of the event's start time. Please be aware that these qualifiers can and will take a lot of time. Forfeits and walkovers will be used if needed. Each round is best of 3, with start maps labeled on the bracket. Players may be asked to wait to begin a series so that their match can be broadcast.

Servers: All games will be played on the North American server.

Spectators Rule: No observers/spectators are allowed for these games. IGN Pro League admins and casters may make games for players to help things run smoother and either referee or cast the matches.

Bracket Link: http://challonge.com/ipl5int


Players already receiving a free trip and WR3 at IPL5 are:
  • FnaticRC.aLive (IPL4 Winner)
  • x6.Sleep (North American Regional Winner)
  • GL.Snute (European Regional Winner)
  • MarineKing.Prime (Korean Regional Winner)
  • iG.Xigua (Chinese Regional Winner)

Notable Players Already Signed Up: + Show Spoiler +
Quantic.TheStC
SK.MC
Acer.Bly
Acer.Nerchio
Acer.ParanOid
mouz.biGs
mouz.MaNa
Golden.LighT
Eclypsia.Welmu
TSL.HyuN
TSL.Polt
TSL.Inori
TSL.Symbol
TSL.RevivaL
TSL.RagnaroK
TSL.Value




Map Pool
IPLMap Sanshorn Mists AE
IPLMap Atlantis Spaceship
IPLMap Antiga Shipyard
IPLMap Daybreak
IPLMap Tal'Darim Altar LE
IPLMap Cloud Kingdom
IPLMap Metropolis
IPLMap Ohana
IPLMap Entombed Valley


*All of our maps can be found easily by searching "IPLMap" when creating a game on NA (uploaded by VTMirhi), Europe, and Korea. Please use the IPLMap versions for every game to ensure consistency.



Casters
These matches will be cast by our community casters: JoRoSaR, Adebisi, Jmorrow, and SchAmToo all day (and night)!



Stay up to date with IPL5 Regionals and Satellites, IPL TV, IPL Fight Club, and IPL Team Arena Challenge by checking
our [image loading] Facebook, [image loading] Twitter, [image loading] YouTube, and Twitch.TV!
WigglingSquid
Profile Joined August 2011
5194 Posts
June 26 2012 20:32 GMT
#2
Mh, not so nice to force games to be played on NA even if both players are from the same non-NA region.
IGNProLeague
Profile Joined April 2011
1184 Posts
June 26 2012 20:54 GMT
#3
We still have to keep everything organized via our North American-based admins and casters. Logistically speaking it makes more sense to keep everything based on one server, especially when the other "true" regionals have already been held on their respective servers.

Our Operations Manager Mirhi says that if players get admin permission to play their match on a different server, it will be allowed, but the default for cross-server of any kind and for broadcasted matches will be North America.
Popkiller
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
3415 Posts
June 26 2012 22:35 GMT
#4
looks like Alive already won IPL5. Show's over, guys.
Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
June 26 2012 22:42 GMT
#5
Sucks that its at such a bad time for Koreans but they should still place top 2 either way. I don't expect too many players that are currently in GSL wanting to mess up their sleep schedule for this though, looks like MC and TheStC are the first crazy people of the bunch. Guess it isn't horrible for them though since StC just had his RO48 Code A match and MC will be doing RO16 in 2 days and whether he advances or not his next match won't be for a while.
♦ My Life for BESTie ♦ 류세라 = 배 ♦
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
June 27 2012 01:38 GMT
#6
ick bad time and server for koreans, but i hope some big names qualify :D
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
Megiddosc
Profile Joined April 2011
United States966 Posts
June 27 2012 01:48 GMT
#7
On June 27 2012 05:32 WigglingSquid wrote:
Mh, not so nice to force games to be played on NA even if both players are from the same non-NA region.

I hope you said the same thing about the TSL4 qualifiers that were on earlier. KawaiiRice and Catz went up against eachother on the EU server.
IGNProLeague
Profile Joined April 2011
1184 Posts
June 27 2012 17:16 GMT
#8
Updated with 7 more TSL sign-ups!
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-27 17:59:01
June 27 2012 17:58 GMT
#9
Hope more koreans know about it. This is way easier than the KR qualifier, unless a lot of KRs start signing up. Every KR who played in the KR qualifier should definitely sign up for this.
Top 10 favourite pros: MKP, MVP, MC, Nestea, DRG, Jaedong, Flash, Life, Creator, Leenock
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
June 27 2012 21:56 GMT
#10
On June 28 2012 02:58 Canucklehead wrote:
Hope more koreans know about it. This is way easier than the KR qualifier, unless a lot of KRs start signing up. Every KR who played in the KR qualifier should definitely sign up for this.

except it's at like, 2am kst, probably ending near sunrise, and on a laggy server too haha. but yeah, otherwise, shouldn't be so hard!
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
IGNProLeague
Profile Joined April 2011
1184 Posts
June 27 2012 21:58 GMT
#11
On June 28 2012 02:58 Canucklehead wrote:
Hope more koreans know about it. This is way easier than the KR qualifier, unless a lot of KRs start signing up. Every KR who played in the KR qualifier should definitely sign up for this.

For every Regional and other qualifiers, we send e-mails directly to team managers in English and Korean! It's up to them to sign up though! =)
IGNProLeague
Profile Joined April 2011
1184 Posts
June 29 2012 23:20 GMT
#12
Bracket is up: http://challonge.com/ipl5int These players each have a 1 in 13 chance of scooping up a free ride and seed at IPL5!
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
June 30 2012 01:50 GMT
#13
wow so few... haha hoping for gg~
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
June 30 2012 01:57 GMT
#14
Oh nice, Squirtle signed up. Hopefully he gets to go through Symbol and MC on his way to winning this qualifier.
♦ My Life for BESTie ♦ 류세라 = 배 ♦
qxc
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States550 Posts
June 30 2012 04:50 GMT
#15
why is the bracket posted before the tournament? I just registered. can I still be added?
ProgamerDesigner of Aeon's End
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
June 30 2012 05:24 GMT
#16
Wow, that's...small.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
June 30 2012 10:01 GMT
#17
On June 30 2012 13:50 qxc wrote:
why is the bracket posted before the tournament? I just registered. can I still be added?


Looks like the deadline was 3am EST Friday, so you missed it by almost a day I guess. I hope that their website didn't let you pay them even though registration was over.
♦ My Life for BESTie ♦ 류세라 = 배 ♦
paradoxOO9
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1123 Posts
June 30 2012 10:11 GMT
#18
I laughed far too hard looking at the notable sign ups. Hope the TSL guys do well!
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4720 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-30 10:55:34
June 30 2012 10:54 GMT
#19
Nevermind found it!
Pathetic Greta hater.
Motoorhead
Profile Joined September 2011
Poland67 Posts
June 30 2012 11:49 GMT
#20
Will it be streamed? Can not find it in the "Upcoming events" in the team liquid.
If you never stop - failure is not an option.
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
June 30 2012 11:51 GMT
#21
Yeah, NASL open tournament had like ~40 sign ups with the same price to sign up, but there the top 4 got something. This is just too little bang for your buck, especially with that many Koreans.
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
TeamZeNEX
Profile Joined November 2011
Korea (South)22 Posts
June 30 2012 12:37 GMT
#22
??????????why don't join ZeNEXLife ??

send 20$ join

2more TREME , Life

DeathAngel[ro]
Profile Joined December 2009
Romania79 Posts
June 30 2012 13:16 GMT
#23
hey , I've put my europe account details in the application . How can I modify it to my US account ?
a very funny zerg player
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-30 14:17:59
June 30 2012 13:21 GMT
#24
On June 30 2012 21:37 TeamZeNEX wrote:
??????????why don't join ZeNEXLife ??

send 20$ join

2more TREME , Life



Pretty sure TREME is already signed up.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
DeathAngel[ro]
Profile Joined December 2009
Romania79 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-30 16:43:09
June 30 2012 16:41 GMT
#25
a very funny zerg player
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
June 30 2012 16:59 GMT
#26
Man too bad the brackets are lopsided. The top bracket is stacked and only 1 will make it out of it.
Top 10 favourite pros: MKP, MVP, MC, Nestea, DRG, Jaedong, Flash, Life, Creator, Leenock
Badfatpanda
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States9719 Posts
June 30 2012 17:06 GMT
#27
On July 01 2012 01:59 Canucklehead wrote:
Man too bad the brackets are lopsided. The top bracket is stacked and only 1 will make it out of it.


Holy fuck, yeah you're right. Both brackets are quite even though for what it's worth. Nerchio/Zenio round 2 should be good. Imagine Hyun vs Polt/Revival will be a good match as well. Polt's TvZ is definitely coming around, we'll see if he can make it through. Hyun vs Golden will also be pretty close, cast so many zvz's between those 2 in weekly cups lmfao, always very good matches.
Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy. -Beethoven | Mech isn't a build, it's a way of life. -MajOr | Charlie.Sheen: "What is sarcastic, kids who have no courage to fight?" | #TerranPride #yolo #swag -Naama after 2-0'ing MC at HSC VI
Welmu
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Finland3295 Posts
June 30 2012 17:24 GMT
#28
so terrible me t.t
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Badfatpanda
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States9719 Posts
June 30 2012 17:26 GMT
#29
On July 01 2012 02:24 Welmu wrote:
so terrible me t.t


T_T admittedly Life has been on a tear recently, so don't feel too bad
Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy. -Beethoven | Mech isn't a build, it's a way of life. -MajOr | Charlie.Sheen: "What is sarcastic, kids who have no courage to fight?" | #TerranPride #yolo #swag -Naama after 2-0'ing MC at HSC VI
ReachTheSky
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3294 Posts
June 30 2012 17:26 GMT
#30
Isn't calling this tourney an "international regional" a bit of an oxymoron? Just sayin...
TL+ Member
covetousrat
Profile Joined October 2010
2109 Posts
June 30 2012 17:27 GMT
#31
Bly vs MC coming up!!
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
June 30 2012 17:41 GMT
#32
Well, that game was nothing like I expected it to be.
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32740 Posts
June 30 2012 17:42 GMT
#33
MC just went full Kratos Protoss on Bly.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Rewera
Profile Joined April 2010
Poland354 Posts
June 30 2012 17:45 GMT
#34
Why coudln't I know about this earlier! Why not many streams!
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
June 30 2012 17:48 GMT
#35
TREME knocked out by revival.
Please don't make me like you revival your terrible games has imprinted too much on me to ever like you regardless of improvement.
Glorious SEA doto
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-30 17:52:05
June 30 2012 17:49 GMT
#36
Bly with the 3:40 minute lair. Spine crawler rush.

MC defends like MC always does.
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32740 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-30 17:52:20
June 30 2012 17:49 GMT
#37
WTF is that like a 17 supply Lair?

Cute little attack, but doesn't look like enough at all.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Badfatpanda
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States9719 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-30 17:54:30
June 30 2012 17:52 GMT
#38
Haha, I love Bly, shame he had to get Kratossed round 2

edit: wow, Zenio knocked out by Ragnarok, seems he's in a slump, hopefully he'll correct it soon.

Nerchio should have this next ZvZ and ooooooooo Squirtle Taeja rematch
Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy. -Beethoven | Mech isn't a build, it's a way of life. -MajOr | Charlie.Sheen: "What is sarcastic, kids who have no courage to fight?" | #TerranPride #yolo #swag -Naama after 2-0'ing MC at HSC VI
Sovano
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1503 Posts
June 30 2012 17:53 GMT
#39
Amazing defenses in both games by MC. I was hoping for some macro games from Bly but oh well :/
covetousrat
Profile Joined October 2010
2109 Posts
June 30 2012 17:53 GMT
#40
You dont cheese MC twice in a row
DoA
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Korea (South)599 Posts
June 30 2012 17:53 GMT
#41
Bly gets style points for the Spine Crawler rush at least!
I cast, therefore I am.
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
June 30 2012 17:53 GMT
#42
Gogo, cast more! HerO vs STC, Polt vs Revival or Mana vs Illusion, come on! Great games all around.
MangoMountain
Profile Joined June 2011
Norway2044 Posts
June 30 2012 17:53 GMT
#43
Amazing decision making by MC in that, just sacking the forge and gateway while making sure that bly couldn't get lings up the ramp. I don't even think he counted on saving the nexus, but it worked out somehow.
Talionis
Profile Joined November 2010
Scotland4085 Posts
June 30 2012 17:55 GMT
#44
On July 01 2012 02:48 Fusilero wrote:
TREME knocked out by revival.
Please don't make me like you revival your terrible games has imprinted too much on me to ever like you regardless of improvement.

Haha, that's what i feel too.

That game in particular against Ensnare still haunts me to this day.
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38198 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-30 17:58:32
June 30 2012 17:58 GMT
#45
Oh sweet, Taeja vs Squirtle.

This is much better than the UK WCS lol xD
CrazyBirdman
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany3509 Posts
June 30 2012 18:05 GMT
#46
On July 01 2012 02:58 Asha` wrote:
Oh sweet, Taeja vs Squirtle.

This is much better than the UK WCS lol xD

To be fair, few match-ups are better that Taeja vs Squirtle.
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38198 Posts
June 30 2012 18:06 GMT
#47
On July 01 2012 03:05 CrazyBirdman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2012 02:58 Asha` wrote:
Oh sweet, Taeja vs Squirtle.

This is much better than the UK WCS lol xD

To be fair, few match-ups are better that Taeja vs Squirtle.


There's actually regular games here too =p
SilSol
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden2744 Posts
June 30 2012 18:10 GMT
#48
On July 01 2012 03:05 CrazyBirdman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2012 02:58 Asha` wrote:
Oh sweet, Taeja vs Squirtle.

This is much better than the UK WCS lol xD

To be fair, few match-ups are better that Taeja vs Squirtle.


Taeja vs Squirtle sweet! that will be an awesome match
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
June 30 2012 18:11 GMT
#49
There's a lot of TSL players in this qualifier
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Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-30 18:22:59
June 30 2012 18:22 GMT
#50
On July 01 2012 03:11 Shellshock1122 wrote:
There's a lot of TSL players in this qualifier

TSL seem to emphasise foreign tournament more than anyone else, there's almost always a TSL player in a notable foreign tournament and they're always signed up to qualifiers.
Only MVP can match that but MVP get their costs covered by MYM because MYM has no one in SC2 to support except MVP.
Glorious SEA doto
ragnorr
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark6097 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-30 18:31:32
June 30 2012 18:30 GMT
#51
On July 01 2012 02:55 Talionis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2012 02:48 Fusilero wrote:
TREME knocked out by revival.
Please don't make me like you revival your terrible games has imprinted too much on me to ever like you regardless of improvement.

Haha, that's what i feel too.

That game in particular against Ensnare still haunts me to this day.

Gom should release Ensare vs Revival on belshit beach just for pure educational purposes


On July 01 2012 03:11 Shellshock1122 wrote:
There's a lot of TSL players in this qualifier

Guess coach lee figured he could keep his players if he send them to foreign tournements :p
aznball123
Profile Joined February 2012
2759 Posts
June 30 2012 18:40 GMT
#52
whoooo taeja!
Mmm, what to watch.
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
June 30 2012 18:40 GMT
#53
Taeja vs MC incoming!!!

Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
June 30 2012 18:40 GMT
#54
Looks like squirtle won't be allowed to take a second shot at the IPL championship just yet.
Squirtle 1-2 Taeja.
Glorious SEA doto
ragnorr
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark6097 Posts
June 30 2012 18:40 GMT
#55
Gogo taeja, hoping for life vs taeja in the semis :p
Badfatpanda
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States9719 Posts
June 30 2012 18:41 GMT
#56
Squirtle's opening just put him way too far behind, Taeja also kinda blind countered him a bit , but it was most likely metagaming, he's the first Terran to put his CC on the low ground, after that pick he kinda baited Squirtle into a 3 gate void allin.
Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy. -Beethoven | Mech isn't a build, it's a way of life. -MajOr | Charlie.Sheen: "What is sarcastic, kids who have no courage to fight?" | #TerranPride #yolo #swag -Naama after 2-0'ing MC at HSC VI
CrazyBirdman
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany3509 Posts
June 30 2012 18:41 GMT
#57
Yeah, Taeja gets his revenge vs Squirtle.
Taeja vs MC should be awesome.
Xtreme94
Profile Joined June 2011
Malaysia282 Posts
June 30 2012 18:43 GMT
#58
HerO fall out again TT
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-30 18:58:28
June 30 2012 18:44 GMT
#59
Thank god Life ain't fucking around in ZvZ this time. I hope the stream will show those games.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
Benjamin99
Profile Joined April 2012
4176 Posts
June 30 2012 18:47 GMT
#60
Go Mana take it all
Stephano & Jaedong <-- The Pain Train. Polt and Innovation to EG plz
Rewera
Profile Joined April 2010
Poland354 Posts
June 30 2012 18:47 GMT
#61
What is this damn monopoly of one root of the bracket. We will se Koreans enough in main event they aren't going anywhere, give us some Korean on Foreing action! Or other stream at least. Can be muted and cost 1$ to cover cost of ingame operator.
CrazyBirdman
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany3509 Posts
June 30 2012 18:53 GMT
#62
Proxy two gate vs one offensive Barracks, that is kind of weird.
And Taeja comes out ahead!
Malaz
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany1257 Posts
June 30 2012 18:53 GMT
#63
That was a funny game
Badfatpanda
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States9719 Posts
June 30 2012 18:54 GMT
#64
Haha, what an entertaining game. That was enjoyable to watch lol. Poor MC
Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy. -Beethoven | Mech isn't a build, it's a way of life. -MajOr | Charlie.Sheen: "What is sarcastic, kids who have no courage to fight?" | #TerranPride #yolo #swag -Naama after 2-0'ing MC at HSC VI
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32740 Posts
June 30 2012 18:54 GMT
#65
LOL MC just said, "gg balance".
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4720 Posts
June 30 2012 18:54 GMT
#66
On July 01 2012 03:47 Benjamin99 wrote:
Go Mana take it all


IF Ragnarok takes out Nerchio, thats possible. Otherwise i think Nerchio will roll Mana and fall later on to a Korean.
Pathetic Greta hater.
ELA
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark4608 Posts
June 30 2012 18:55 GMT
#67
Sick game, hahaha

Go Taeja!
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Kenpark
Profile Joined March 2012
Germany2350 Posts
June 30 2012 18:57 GMT
#68
Wow theSTC won 2:0 vs Life, who just beat Symbol ? Thats impressive.
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
June 30 2012 18:58 GMT
#69
On July 01 2012 03:54 Silvanel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2012 03:47 Benjamin99 wrote:
Go Mana take it all


IF Ragnarok takes out Nerchio, thats possible. Otherwise i think Nerchio will roll Mana and fall later on to a Korean.

Nerchio lost. Mana last foreign/polish hope.
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38198 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-30 19:00:25
June 30 2012 18:59 GMT
#70
On July 01 2012 03:57 Kenpark wrote:
Wow theSTC won 2:0 vs Life, who just beat Symbol ? Thats impressive.


Wonder how the games went, STC isn't exactly adverse to proxying...everything

=D

Then again Life still isn't the most consistent of players
Nerchio
Profile Joined October 2009
Poland2633 Posts
June 30 2012 19:00 GMT
#71
Koreans are too good
Progamer"I am the best" - Nerchio , 2017.
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32740 Posts
June 30 2012 19:01 GMT
#72
On July 01 2012 04:00 Nerchio wrote:
Koreans are too good


Hahaha, nice effort against Ragnarok though. Really hope I can see you at IPL5.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
ELA
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark4608 Posts
June 30 2012 19:01 GMT
#73
On July 01 2012 04:00 Nerchio wrote:
Koreans are too good


You did well considdering the insane bracket man, don't worry about it
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dragonborn
Profile Joined January 2012
4781 Posts
June 30 2012 19:01 GMT
#74
On July 01 2012 03:57 Kenpark wrote:
Wow theSTC won 2:0 vs Life, who just beat Symbol ? Thats impressive.

Symbol dont always perform as well online as he does in the GSL and GSTL.
Ertu
Profile Joined November 2010
Greece686 Posts
June 30 2012 19:03 GMT
#75
Wow Taeja's cheese proof,he dies to nothing. Such amazing builds.
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
June 30 2012 19:05 GMT
#76
On July 01 2012 03:57 Kenpark wrote:
Wow theSTC won 2:0 vs Life, who just beat Symbol ? Thats impressive.


Life is a ZvZ specialist. He is pretty good at ZvT but not consistent enough to win BoX against the best.
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Rewera
Profile Joined April 2010
Poland354 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-30 19:07:21
June 30 2012 19:06 GMT
#77
On July 01 2012 03:58 StarVe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2012 03:54 Silvanel wrote:
On July 01 2012 03:47 Benjamin99 wrote:
Go Mana take it all


IF Ragnarok takes out Nerchio, thats possible. Otherwise i think Nerchio will roll Mana and fall later on to a Korean.

Nerchio lost. Mana last foreign/polish hope.


I always fancy how Nerchio rages about balance or him "being bad" playing foreginers and not playing Koreans. I wonder if this is kindness, respect or stress related stiffnes.
Malaz
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany1257 Posts
June 30 2012 19:07 GMT
#78
TaeJa is just damn impressive.
CrazyBirdman
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany3509 Posts
June 30 2012 19:08 GMT
#79
Taeja just completly destroyed MC, he is such a beast online. I really hope he can go deep this time in Code S.
dragonborn
Profile Joined January 2012
4781 Posts
June 30 2012 19:11 GMT
#80
lets gooooooooo RagnaroK!
Kenpark
Profile Joined March 2012
Germany2350 Posts
June 30 2012 19:14 GMT
#81
Life is a ZvZ specialist. He is pretty good at ZvT but not consistent enough to win BoX against the best.


Well I havent been following the korean scene that closely, but I remember the GSTL preview of Zenex vs Liquid and they spoke pretty highly of him.
But ye missed theSTC code A run, so this is prob not even an upset.

Insane lineup for this qualifier though. Hope to see at least 1 foreigner game though. :-)
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32740 Posts
June 30 2012 19:20 GMT
#82
That was well defended by Ragnarok.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Rewera
Profile Joined April 2010
Poland354 Posts
June 30 2012 19:23 GMT
#83
Mana is impressive, pure wow.
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4720 Posts
June 30 2012 19:24 GMT
#84
Yeah GoGoGo Mana!
Pathetic Greta hater.
Fig
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1324 Posts
June 30 2012 19:24 GMT
#85
i love the immortal zealot composition. So cost effective against roaches.
Can't elope with my cantaloupe
Kenpark
Profile Joined March 2012
Germany2350 Posts
June 30 2012 19:24 GMT
#86
That reminded me of Mana vs Ret at Dreamhack. Somehow Mana can keep this allin rolling. Thought the game was over for sure.
ibo422
Profile Joined April 2012
Belgium2844 Posts
June 30 2012 19:32 GMT
#87
Squirtle, MC, Life & Nerchio out.. Mana and Polt left.. Mana to take it all!! \\o//
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
June 30 2012 19:38 GMT
#88
Great defense, hold on MaNa!!
ibo422
Profile Joined April 2012
Belgium2844 Posts
June 30 2012 19:38 GMT
#89
Really sick defense by MaNa!
dragonborn
Profile Joined January 2012
4781 Posts
June 30 2012 19:39 GMT
#90
Semi Finals:
QuanticTheStC vs Liquid`TaeJa
TSLPolt vs mouzMaNa
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-30 19:41:34
June 30 2012 19:39 GMT
#91
Wooooo, fuck yeah, very well done! Just one more round!

MaNa, the new PvZ poster child. :D

But it's against Polt, gonna be very, very difficult!
CrazyBirdman
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany3509 Posts
June 30 2012 19:40 GMT
#92
I have no idea what I want to watch now, Taeja vs TheSTC or Mana vs Polt.
Toadvine
Profile Joined November 2010
Poland2234 Posts
June 30 2012 19:40 GMT
#93
Must be so annoying to not be able to blink your stalkers back because Zerg decided to float overlords above them.
"There are always some Eskimos ready to instruct the Congolese on how to cope with heat waves." - S.J.Lec
ibo422
Profile Joined April 2012
Belgium2844 Posts
June 30 2012 19:42 GMT
#94
He forgot to turn on micro O_o
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32740 Posts
June 30 2012 19:43 GMT
#95
As much as I hate to say it, MaNa just might beat Polt, he hasn't been looking as good as usual lately.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Rewera
Profile Joined April 2010
Poland354 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-30 19:44:12
June 30 2012 19:43 GMT
#96
Mana hasn't either in PvT.
ibo422
Profile Joined April 2012
Belgium2844 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-30 19:45:48
June 30 2012 19:45 GMT
#97
Are they playing live? I heard the countdown.. shame they aren't streaming! /o\
dragonborn
Profile Joined January 2012
4781 Posts
June 30 2012 19:45 GMT
#98
On July 01 2012 04:45 ibo422 wrote:
Are they playing live?

yes.
Toadvine
Profile Joined November 2010
Poland2234 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-30 19:52:00
June 30 2012 19:49 GMT
#99
Polt's gonna do that 1 base bio/tank all-in judging from the early stim.

edit: Apparently he's doing a bad build instead, and it's working due to being completely unexpected.
"There are always some Eskimos ready to instruct the Congolese on how to cope with heat waves." - S.J.Lec
Adebisi
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada1637 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-30 19:50:23
June 30 2012 19:50 GMT
#100
MaNa ftw. Hope he wins, even though TheStC and TaeJa are probably my two favourite terrans D:!
ibo422
Profile Joined April 2012
Belgium2844 Posts
June 30 2012 19:50 GMT
#101
This gonna hurt a lot -__-
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32740 Posts
June 30 2012 19:51 GMT
#102
Dat Polt 2 Rax.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
June 30 2012 19:52 GMT
#103
Every time I think 2 rax is dead in TvP, Polt proves me wrong.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
Toadvine
Profile Joined November 2010
Poland2234 Posts
June 30 2012 19:56 GMT
#104
On July 01 2012 04:52 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Every time I think 2 rax is dead in TvP, Polt proves me wrong.


It is kind of dead. That was not a normal 2 rax, but a kind of weird gimmicky build focused on exploiting his opponent not expecting such an early Stim. If MaNa knew Polt had stim with that army, he'd have Forcefielded differently and not taken any real damage.
"There are always some Eskimos ready to instruct the Congolese on how to cope with heat waves." - S.J.Lec
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
June 30 2012 19:57 GMT
#105
On July 01 2012 04:56 Toadvine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2012 04:52 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Every time I think 2 rax is dead in TvP, Polt proves me wrong.


It is kind of dead. That was not a normal 2 rax, but a kind of weird gimmicky build focused on exploiting his opponent not expecting such an early Stim. If MaNa knew Polt had stim with that army, he'd have Forcefielded differently and not taken any real damage.


Eh a gimmick 2 rax is still a 2 rax.
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PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32740 Posts
June 30 2012 19:58 GMT
#106
On July 01 2012 04:52 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Every time I think 2 rax is dead in TvP, Polt proves me wrong.


I do suppose the Polt 2 Rax is basically dead, because very few players beyond Polt and Heart actually use it. I think the main reason it was so effective was because MaNa didn't see it coming, and 2 Rax has the potential to always kill a FE'ing Protoss, which MaNa was doing.
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Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4720 Posts
June 30 2012 19:59 GMT
#107
Mana beat him please, foreigner hope fighting!
Pathetic Greta hater.
ELA
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark4608 Posts
June 30 2012 20:00 GMT
#108
Please find a win MaNa! ~fighting
The first link of chain forged, the first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.
ibo422
Profile Joined April 2012
Belgium2844 Posts
June 30 2012 20:02 GMT
#109
I fear for mana /o\
Toadvine
Profile Joined November 2010
Poland2234 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-30 20:03:22
June 30 2012 20:02 GMT
#110
On July 01 2012 04:58 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2012 04:52 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Every time I think 2 rax is dead in TvP, Polt proves me wrong.


I do suppose the Polt 2 Rax is basically dead, because very few players beyond Polt and Heart actually use it. I think the main reason it was so effective was because MaNa didn't see it coming, and 2 Rax has the potential to always kill a FE'ing Protoss, which MaNa was doing.


He did see it coming, and reacted very well. Just didn't know Polt had a very early Stim. Splitting the army the way he did with his FFs works very well against stimless bio, but with stim, they just roll over Stalkers and Sentries with superior dps. It's a very clever build by Polt, especially on cross-positions EV, but it's a one shot kind of thing, will never work against an opponent who knows it could be coming.

Edit: And as I type this, Polt does it again. Guess we're gonna find out if it's actually viable now.
"There are always some Eskimos ready to instruct the Congolese on how to cope with heat waves." - S.J.Lec
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32740 Posts
June 30 2012 20:03 GMT
#111
On July 01 2012 05:02 Toadvine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2012 04:58 PhoenixVoid wrote:
On July 01 2012 04:52 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Every time I think 2 rax is dead in TvP, Polt proves me wrong.


I do suppose the Polt 2 Rax is basically dead, because very few players beyond Polt and Heart actually use it. I think the main reason it was so effective was because MaNa didn't see it coming, and 2 Rax has the potential to always kill a FE'ing Protoss, which MaNa was doing.


He did see it coming, and reacted very well. Just didn't know Polt had a very early Stim. Splitting the army the way he did with his FFs works very well against stimless bio, but with stim, they just roll over Stalkers and Sentries with superior dps. It's a very clever build by Polt, especially on cross-positions EV, but it's a one shot kind of thing, will never work against an opponent who knows it could be coming.


Yeah, I think that is the reason why most Terrans basically stopped using 2 Rax, because it is almost one of those situational builds that work on the Protoss making a mistake.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Badfatpanda
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States9719 Posts
June 30 2012 20:05 GMT
#112
Ouch MaNa, those ffs were so bad Shame, his PvT is so much better than this. At least TheStC and TaeJa will be a good series!
Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy. -Beethoven | Mech isn't a build, it's a way of life. -MajOr | Charlie.Sheen: "What is sarcastic, kids who have no courage to fight?" | #TerranPride #yolo #swag -Naama after 2-0'ing MC at HSC VI
BlazeFury01
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1460 Posts
June 30 2012 20:06 GMT
#113
On July 01 2012 05:05 Badfatpanda wrote:
Ouch MaNa, those ffs were so bad Shame, his PvT is so much better than this. At least TheStC and TaeJa will be a good series!


Mana is not in a bad position as it may seem. Mana did pull all of his probe before he lost his nexus while Polt lost a lot of SCV and mining time.
ELA
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark4608 Posts
June 30 2012 20:06 GMT
#114
GG Sad that MaNa is out, still a very good showing! WP man, you'll come back to dominate Im sure
The first link of chain forged, the first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.
Starstuff
Profile Joined January 2009
Croatia60 Posts
June 30 2012 20:07 GMT
#115
Really bad by Mana. I can't understand why he didn't hold the ramp with ffs. Theres be no way Polt would be able to go trough.
Always remember that you are unique... Just like everyone else.
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32740 Posts
June 30 2012 20:07 GMT
#116
Looks like Polt is going to IPL5.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
BlazeFury01
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1460 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-30 20:08:12
June 30 2012 20:07 GMT
#117
On July 01 2012 05:07 Starstuff wrote:
Really bad by Mana. I can't understand why he didn't hold the ramp with ffs. Theres be no way Polt would be able to go trough.


I was thinking that too lmao. He was planning on using guardian shield rather then ffs.
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
June 30 2012 20:07 GMT
#118
Polt going to IPL5. Hasn't dropped a game yet.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
ragnorr
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark6097 Posts
June 30 2012 20:08 GMT
#119
Yay go polt <3
CrazyBirdman
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany3509 Posts
June 30 2012 20:08 GMT
#120
Congratulations to Polt, sad to see Mana lose. Hopefully now Taeja can advance.
Toadvine
Profile Joined November 2010
Poland2234 Posts
June 30 2012 20:09 GMT
#121
Nah, that was just bad. Instead of delaying that push at the ramp, he let it come up and get a superior position at his natural before engaging. And this time he knew what was coming, so it was simply poor judgement.
"There are always some Eskimos ready to instruct the Congolese on how to cope with heat waves." - S.J.Lec
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4720 Posts
June 30 2012 20:11 GMT
#122
Manas weakest spot is his play vs early agression, he dies to this kinds of builds often. I wish he removed this weak spot from his armor.
Pathetic Greta hater.
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
June 30 2012 20:12 GMT
#123
Remember when IPL said they would try to foster foreign talent? HA!
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
Magashi
Profile Joined March 2011
United States164 Posts
June 30 2012 20:13 GMT
#124
taeja lets go
HerO | Taeja
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32740 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-30 20:16:32
June 30 2012 20:13 GMT
#125
Looks like a rematch of Winter Assembly with Polt vs TaeJa again.

Whoops, looks like no game whatsoever.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
CrazyBirdman
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany3509 Posts
June 30 2012 20:14 GMT
#126
Awww yeah, Taeja gets the spot at IPL5.
ragnorr
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark6097 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-30 20:19:54
June 30 2012 20:15 GMT
#127
On July 01 2012 05:12 Dexington wrote:
Remember when IPL said they would try to foster foreign talent? HA!

Snute and Xigua will save the foreigners

Also there were no taeja vs polt?
Magashi
Profile Joined March 2011
United States164 Posts
June 30 2012 20:16 GMT
#128
haha i was wondering if there was another prize for first. but grats Taeja and Polt
HerO | Taeja
XaCez
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden6991 Posts
June 30 2012 20:20 GMT
#129
On July 01 2012 05:15 ragnorr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2012 05:12 Dexington wrote:
Remember when IPL said they would try to foster foreign talent? HA!

Snute and Xigua will save the foreigners

It is not a matter of 'saving' foreigners, it is the matter of not developing non-Korean talent. But to that you need local leagues and the way things are going we are never going to see that in the US, whereas in say Germany and Sweden there are several, which is why those countries are really strong right now.
People get too easily offended by people getting too easily offended by the word rape.
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
June 30 2012 20:22 GMT
#130
I think I have mentioned this before but in case not....

TaeJa, he's pretty good.
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Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
June 30 2012 20:25 GMT
#131
On July 01 2012 05:22 Diamond wrote:
I think I have mentioned this before but in case not....

TaeJa, he's pretty good.

I dunno he seems like a pretty average terran, he'll probably never make code S especially the round of 8 or beat any worthwhile teams by himself.
Glorious SEA doto
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
June 30 2012 20:27 GMT
#132
On July 01 2012 05:20 Xacez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2012 05:15 ragnorr wrote:
On July 01 2012 05:12 Dexington wrote:
Remember when IPL said they would try to foster foreign talent? HA!

Snute and Xigua will save the foreigners

It is not a matter of 'saving' foreigners, it is the matter of not developing non-Korean talent. But to that you need local leagues and the way things are going we are never going to see that in the US, whereas in say Germany and Sweden there are several, which is why those countries are really strong right now.


Exactly. IPL started as only North American, then I guess they said "Hey, if we get Europeans, we'll make more money" and then "Hey, if we get Koreans, we'll make even MORE money!"

Then, finally, "Hey, if we get only Koreans, we'll make the MOST money!".
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
XaCez
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden6991 Posts
June 30 2012 20:38 GMT
#133
On July 01 2012 05:27 Dexington wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2012 05:20 Xacez wrote:
On July 01 2012 05:15 ragnorr wrote:
On July 01 2012 05:12 Dexington wrote:
Remember when IPL said they would try to foster foreign talent? HA!

Snute and Xigua will save the foreigners

It is not a matter of 'saving' foreigners, it is the matter of not developing non-Korean talent. But to that you need local leagues and the way things are going we are never going to see that in the US, whereas in say Germany and Sweden there are several, which is why those countries are really strong right now.


Exactly. IPL started as only North American, then I guess they said "Hey, if we get Europeans, we'll make more money" and then "Hey, if we get Koreans, we'll make even MORE money!"

Then, finally, "Hey, if we get only Koreans, we'll make the MOST money!".

And if it continues the same way, the American scene will be dead, and the only ones competing with Koreans will be the ones living there along with a couple of Europeans.
People get too easily offended by people getting too easily offended by the word rape.
dragonborn
Profile Joined January 2012
4781 Posts
June 30 2012 20:38 GMT
#134
So happy for Polt and TaeJa
BlazeFury01
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1460 Posts
June 30 2012 20:39 GMT
#135
lol how on earth do you not siege your tanks at your main base when you know the only way your opponent can catch up is attempt a base race? Some basic mistakes a lot of pros seem to make...
Psilo
Profile Joined December 2011
United States115 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-30 20:45:40
June 30 2012 20:45 GMT
#136
Who are the announcers for the replay on twitch, anyone know?

I know what's on right now is a replay, but one of the casters just spoiled the entire game.
He literally said "We already know Taeja wins since this is a replay".

Am I wrong to be very disappointed in this? I hadn't seen it before and now there is less point to actually watch for me.
Here is the chat reaction when the announcer dropped the ball:


[image loading]
SMD
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada627 Posts
June 30 2012 20:48 GMT
#137
I thought terrans couldn't win?

w/e, go taeja!!!
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32740 Posts
June 30 2012 20:51 GMT
#138
On July 01 2012 05:25 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2012 05:22 Diamond wrote:
I think I have mentioned this before but in case not....

TaeJa, he's pretty good.

I dunno he seems like a pretty average terran, he'll probably never make code S especially the round of 8 or beat any worthwhile teams by himself.


TaeJa is definitely pretty overrated, will fall out of the scene so fast. *Wink* *Wink*
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
June 30 2012 21:05 GMT
#139
"international regional"? is it just me or is that the most ridiculous name for a tournament ever
TY <3 Cure <3 Inno <3 Special <3
Benjamin99
Profile Joined April 2012
4176 Posts
June 30 2012 21:21 GMT
#140
Impressive showing for Mana losing 0-2 to Polt is no shame allmost reached the finals. Welldone Mana
Stephano & Jaedong <-- The Pain Train. Polt and Innovation to EG plz
SchAmToo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1141 Posts
June 30 2012 21:36 GMT
#141
On July 01 2012 05:45 Psilo wrote:
Who are the announcers for the replay on twitch, anyone know?

I know what's on right now is a replay, but one of the casters just spoiled the entire game.
He literally said "We already know Taeja wins since this is a replay".

Am I wrong to be very disappointed in this? I hadn't seen it before and now there is less point to actually watch for me.
Here is the chat reaction when the announcer dropped the ball:


[image loading]


Hi, I'm sorry for that. About 5 minutes prior we had already said the results as we had finished the last live match, and this game was already played. The brackets had already stated the results, and we had said them on stream as well. We decided to do the replay of Taeja vs STC in a last minute effort to give more games to viewers (and because, come on, it's Taeja vs STC!). So, because I already said the result I didn't think of saying it again, and I apologize for stream viewers who came in right after that time, but in time to see the beginning of that game.

My deepest apologies, but I hope hearing the circumstances makes my mistake a little more understandable.
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Proseat
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Germany5113 Posts
June 30 2012 22:51 GMT
#142
Congratz Polt and TaeJa for qualifying! Woohoo!
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CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
June 30 2012 22:54 GMT
#143
Will replays be released?
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