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HSM being researched again lol this time the game has already been decided though
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Are the Ravens just to make fun of Freaky? Or does Bomber actually think they do well against zerg?
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Bomber playing so cool and diverse today! :D
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Oh hey Freaky lost. Why didn't he go mass infestors? That hard counters every single terran composition, right?
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United States97277 Posts
Thank God Bomber isn't going to lose this series
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As long as Bomber isn't asleep from Game 2 he can lift his shit while killing Freaky and...
Wait, I'm sensing Game 2: The Sequel.
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thank god bomber won that eventually
and yea blizzard nerfed ghosts because they dont like the idea of an unit countering every t3 id like the same done to infestor,
double standard suck
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Freaky needed more infestors....
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On June 26 2012 21:33 The KY wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2012 21:32 rothsbury wrote:On June 26 2012 21:31 The KY wrote:On June 26 2012 21:28 rothsbury wrote:On June 26 2012 21:25 Toadvine wrote:On June 26 2012 21:20 rothsbury wrote:On June 26 2012 21:17 Toadvine wrote:
Honestly though, Infestors are a pretty stupid unit. Massing spellcasters should never be viable, much less as good as mass Infestor is. It's not good against correct response. Have you seen MKP's (demuslim has done this also) mass bio + medivac against infestor ling? The medivacs out-heal the fungal growth and it's really effective. The zerg then needs to include speed banelings (which cuts into infestors, so it's no longer mass infestor) and then the terran has to split well. It's not "herp derp mass infestor -> win" unless the terran plays badly. I'm not saying mass Infestors is optimal, and don't really care about how Zerg matchups play out specifically. Caster units should just never be as versatile and self-sufficient as Infestors, they're supposed to support an army. This is the main reason Ghosts were nerfed, they were too versatile and too good when massed. I really do hope that HotS sees some Infestors nerfs, since they're a really dumb unit right now. Ghosts were nerfed because they were legitimately imbalanced against 3rd tier zerg (though the patch was stupid for this since it nerfed snipe against non-massive). What does it mean for a massed unit to be viable? Does the opponent have to not respond correctly? I wonder what other caster can be massed almost exclusively and do well against any composition... Like I said, "does the opponent have to not respond correctly"? Mass infestors do not do well against any composition. Name the terran composition that they do not do well against.
The one Bomber is using in the current game, for example.
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Bomber was probably trolling on game2
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bomber and his seeker bombs.
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On June 26 2012 21:34 Blaec wrote:
Are the Ravens just to make fun of Freaky? Or does Bomber actually think they do well against zerg?
He beat stephano with bio + raven on atlantis spaceship
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Apparently, freaky has never actually played the ladder, he has only played motobattles 
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On June 26 2012 21:31 avc wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2012 21:30 nkr wrote:On June 26 2012 21:28 s3rp wrote:On June 26 2012 21:26 nkr wrote:On June 26 2012 21:26 ZenithM wrote:On June 26 2012 21:22 Daray wrote:On June 26 2012 21:20 habeck wrote:On June 26 2012 21:18 nkr wrote:On June 26 2012 21:18 habeck wrote:On June 26 2012 21:17 nkr wrote:
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??? He never made a ghost, lol Well, im too tired to explain this to you I think you can't actually explain it at all. Why cant I? Why were everybody telling bomber to make ghosts? But he didnt, as he know, that they aren't as good as they used to be. In old times, Terran could mass Ghosts and win, just like Zerg did now with infestors. I wish ghosts werent that useless as they are now in TvZ Dude, what did they change that Ghosts became useless against Infestor only? i3owkri3uj2453456425325832589325 That's the point though. Infestors are good against everything. Ghosts are only good against Infestors. You don't want mass ghosts, but you need mass ghosts to take on that many infestors. You don't want to execute a strategy that only mildly counters what your opponent is doing without any way of getting back at him if it succeeds and take an offensive stance. And what zerg army is good without infestors? Which means you can have ghosts in any terran army. If you waste too much supply in Ghost the Terran army becomes terrible in direct combat . The zerg army is terrible in direct combat when you disable infestors. No matter what you say, they will never agree that Ghosts have a use any more. They are hopelessly convinced they are useless.
I saw Ryung make ghosts against Hero in NASL Playoffs while being a good bit behind v. colossi/high templar/chargelot and he still had great engagements when down on supply. Possibly the only terran I've seen lately actually use ghosts properly the way they did 6 months ago in the HT v Ghost war, instead of just making 0-2 ghosts with 0 emps and getting rolled over by storms. But nope, ghosts are completely worthless. Better make more ravens that do nothing because he doesn't have infinite money to make ghosts as well apparently.
Almost every time a race in a slump it just seems like every single player has just universally regressed to 2010.
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On June 26 2012 21:34 Mackus wrote:
Poor obs'ing by Legend just then, a rare thing to see
If you had to obs an hour long game of shit constantly happening.. I'd need a longer break than normal to get back to the top of my game 
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We lost 3 zergs to code B today. 
Sad day.
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United States33705 Posts
alas, the superfreak has fallen
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On June 26 2012 21:35 rothsbury wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2012 21:33 The KY wrote:On June 26 2012 21:32 rothsbury wrote:On June 26 2012 21:31 The KY wrote:On June 26 2012 21:28 rothsbury wrote:On June 26 2012 21:25 Toadvine wrote:On June 26 2012 21:20 rothsbury wrote:On June 26 2012 21:17 Toadvine wrote:
Honestly though, Infestors are a pretty stupid unit. Massing spellcasters should never be viable, much less as good as mass Infestor is. It's not good against correct response. Have you seen MKP's (demuslim has done this also) mass bio + medivac against infestor ling? The medivacs out-heal the fungal growth and it's really effective. The zerg then needs to include speed banelings (which cuts into infestors, so it's no longer mass infestor) and then the terran has to split well. It's not "herp derp mass infestor -> win" unless the terran plays badly. I'm not saying mass Infestors is optimal, and don't really care about how Zerg matchups play out specifically. Caster units should just never be as versatile and self-sufficient as Infestors, they're supposed to support an army. This is the main reason Ghosts were nerfed, they were too versatile and too good when massed. I really do hope that HotS sees some Infestors nerfs, since they're a really dumb unit right now. Ghosts were nerfed because they were legitimately imbalanced against 3rd tier zerg (though the patch was stupid for this since it nerfed snipe against non-massive). What does it mean for a massed unit to be viable? Does the opponent have to not respond correctly? I wonder what other caster can be massed almost exclusively and do well against any composition... Like I said, "does the opponent have to not respond correctly"? Mass infestors do not do well against any composition. Name the terran composition that they do not do well against. The one Bomber is using in the current game, for example.
..you can definitely go infestor against mech and be perfectly comfortable.
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