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On June 26 2012 21:36 The KY wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2012 21:35 rothsbury wrote:On June 26 2012 21:33 The KY wrote:On June 26 2012 21:32 rothsbury wrote:On June 26 2012 21:31 The KY wrote:On June 26 2012 21:28 rothsbury wrote:On June 26 2012 21:25 Toadvine wrote:On June 26 2012 21:20 rothsbury wrote:On June 26 2012 21:17 Toadvine wrote:
Honestly though, Infestors are a pretty stupid unit. Massing spellcasters should never be viable, much less as good as mass Infestor is. It's not good against correct response. Have you seen MKP's (demuslim has done this also) mass bio + medivac against infestor ling? The medivacs out-heal the fungal growth and it's really effective. The zerg then needs to include speed banelings (which cuts into infestors, so it's no longer mass infestor) and then the terran has to split well. It's not "herp derp mass infestor -> win" unless the terran plays badly. I'm not saying mass Infestors is optimal, and don't really care about how Zerg matchups play out specifically. Caster units should just never be as versatile and self-sufficient as Infestors, they're supposed to support an army. This is the main reason Ghosts were nerfed, they were too versatile and too good when massed. I really do hope that HotS sees some Infestors nerfs, since they're a really dumb unit right now. Ghosts were nerfed because they were legitimately imbalanced against 3rd tier zerg (though the patch was stupid for this since it nerfed snipe against non-massive). What does it mean for a massed unit to be viable? Does the opponent have to not respond correctly? I wonder what other caster can be massed almost exclusively and do well against any composition... Like I said, "does the opponent have to not respond correctly"? Mass infestors do not do well against any composition. Name the terran composition that they do not do well against. The one Bomber is using in the current game, for example. ..you can definitely go infestor against mech and be perfectly comfortable.
What, so just mass infestor without any supporting units? Super viable, man. You should tell freaky to stop wasting his time with this roach and/or ling nonsense.
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On June 26 2012 21:36 The KY wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2012 21:35 rothsbury wrote:On June 26 2012 21:33 The KY wrote:On June 26 2012 21:32 rothsbury wrote:On June 26 2012 21:31 The KY wrote:On June 26 2012 21:28 rothsbury wrote:On June 26 2012 21:25 Toadvine wrote:On June 26 2012 21:20 rothsbury wrote:On June 26 2012 21:17 Toadvine wrote:
Honestly though, Infestors are a pretty stupid unit. Massing spellcasters should never be viable, much less as good as mass Infestor is. It's not good against correct response. Have you seen MKP's (demuslim has done this also) mass bio + medivac against infestor ling? The medivacs out-heal the fungal growth and it's really effective. The zerg then needs to include speed banelings (which cuts into infestors, so it's no longer mass infestor) and then the terran has to split well. It's not "herp derp mass infestor -> win" unless the terran plays badly. I'm not saying mass Infestors is optimal, and don't really care about how Zerg matchups play out specifically. Caster units should just never be as versatile and self-sufficient as Infestors, they're supposed to support an army. This is the main reason Ghosts were nerfed, they were too versatile and too good when massed. I really do hope that HotS sees some Infestors nerfs, since they're a really dumb unit right now. Ghosts were nerfed because they were legitimately imbalanced against 3rd tier zerg (though the patch was stupid for this since it nerfed snipe against non-massive). What does it mean for a massed unit to be viable? Does the opponent have to not respond correctly? I wonder what other caster can be massed almost exclusively and do well against any composition... Like I said, "does the opponent have to not respond correctly"? Mass infestors do not do well against any composition. Name the terran composition that they do not do well against. The one Bomber is using in the current game, for example. ..you can definitely go infestor against mech and be perfectly comfortable.
no, you don't go pure infestor vs mech, it just doesnt work
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No Freaky 
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On June 26 2012 21:36 Yaki wrote:
8/8
lol, was difficult to predict eh? I guess 99% of liquibetters have that result 
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Fuck yes StarTale_Bomber!
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On June 26 2012 21:35 Probe1 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2012 21:34 Mackus wrote:
Poor obs'ing by Legend just then, a rare thing to see If you had to obs an hour long game of shit constantly happening.. I'd need a longer break than normal to get back to the top of my game 
No ones perfect but when the commentators are casting something which is not on the screen its hardly useful :D
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Good that the much better players advanced today.
Sad for Seal though, got bracketfucked again
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NOoooo Freaky, that woulda been a 10 streak liquibet for me
Looking forward to more Bomber Mules tho.
How was MMA vs HongUn?
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On June 26 2012 21:36 Za7oX wrote:But terran's are not supposed to beat zergs :O
No! You dont understand! These zergs are playing terribly! Only when they win are they considered imba
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On June 26 2012 21:36 Za7oX wrote:But terran's are not supposed to beat zergs :O
code b zerg are not supposed to beat code S terrans
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On June 26 2012 21:36 sevia wrote:
I am feeling so vindicated right now.
Mech is the future of TvZ. That game compared to so many failing with marine-tank...
I'm sorry to break it to you but Mech just loses to a roach max with drops at 13-14 mins if your opponent scouts you before choosing their tech path.
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4/8 today, 0/4 for the last 4 games....
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On June 26 2012 21:36 sevia wrote:
I am feeling so vindicated right now.
Mech is the future of TvZ. That game compared to so many failing with marine-tank...
Bomber was so far ahead after the opening. Up in bases, workers, tech... He could have built anything (except for mass raven  ) to win.
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No zergs moved on today oO
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On June 26 2012 21:37 Ansinjunger wrote:
How was MMA vs HongUn?
A trainwreck!
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On June 26 2012 21:36 ramon wrote:of course Kim Tae Young drops out in the prelims
what ? u mean bisu or another one ?
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I eagerly wait to see more of Freaky. Well played Bomber.
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On June 26 2012 21:36 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2012 21:35 Heavenlee wrote:On June 26 2012 21:31 avc wrote:On June 26 2012 21:30 nkr wrote:On June 26 2012 21:28 s3rp wrote:On June 26 2012 21:26 nkr wrote:On June 26 2012 21:26 ZenithM wrote:On June 26 2012 21:22 Daray wrote:On June 26 2012 21:20 habeck wrote:On June 26 2012 21:18 nkr wrote:
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I think you can't actually explain it at all. Why cant I? Why were everybody telling bomber to make ghosts? But he didnt, as he know, that they aren't as good as they used to be. In old times, Terran could mass Ghosts and win, just like Zerg did now with infestors. I wish ghosts werent that useless as they are now in TvZ Dude, what did they change that Ghosts became useless against Infestor only? i3owkri3uj2453456425325832589325 That's the point though. Infestors are good against everything. Ghosts are only good against Infestors. You don't want mass ghosts, but you need mass ghosts to take on that many infestors. You don't want to execute a strategy that only mildly counters what your opponent is doing without any way of getting back at him if it succeeds and take an offensive stance. And what zerg army is good without infestors? Which means you can have ghosts in any terran army. If you waste too much supply in Ghost the Terran army becomes terrible in direct combat . The zerg army is terrible in direct combat when you disable infestors. No matter what you say, they will never agree that Ghosts have a use any more. They are hopelessly convinced they are useless. I saw Ryung make ghosts against Hero in NASL Playoffs while being a good bit behind v. colossi/high templar/chargelot and he still had great engagements when down on supply. Possibly the only terran I've seen lately actually use ghosts properly the way they did 6 months ago in the HT v Ghost war, instead of just making 0-2 ghosts with 0 emps and getting rolled over by storms. But nope, ghosts are completely worthless. Better make more ravens that do nothing because he doesn't have infinite money to make ghosts as well apparently. I think they were talking abou specifically for TvZ, not in general
I'm speaking about the general refusal to make any unit remotely nerfed that is pretty much shared by every race. It's like the second an OP unit is brought in line, it suddenly is deemed worthless to build, then suddenly the race gets completely destroyed because it refuses..to make...the unit.
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Fair point Mackus.
God, today was just fucking... all about that last game.
I need some whiskey for my coffee.
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On June 26 2012 21:37 Ansinjunger wrote:NOoooo Freaky, that woulda been a 10 streak liquibet for me Looking forward to more Bomber Mules tho. How was MMA vs HongUn?
Two failed void ray allinns
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EPT
