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IshinShishi
Profile Joined April 2012
Japan6156 Posts
June 26 2012 12:39 GMT
#1941
On June 26 2012 21:36 sevia wrote:
I am feeling so vindicated right now.

Mech is the future of TvZ. That game compared to so many failing with marine-tank...


It's not, going mech has lost MKP and MVP many a game, freaky just scouted it way too late, scouted mech dies to roach drops and multipronged agression, at least that's what we've seen in the recent tvzs.
So... what that make you? Good? You're not good. You just know how to hide, how to lie
pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
June 26 2012 12:39 GMT
#1942
Oh cool. ForGG changed his ID back to ForGG.
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phodacbiet
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1740 Posts
June 26 2012 12:39 GMT
#1943
On June 26 2012 21:38 Heavenlee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2012 21:36 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On June 26 2012 21:35 Heavenlee wrote:
On June 26 2012 21:31 avc wrote:
On June 26 2012 21:30 nkr wrote:
On June 26 2012 21:28 s3rp wrote:
On June 26 2012 21:26 nkr wrote:
On June 26 2012 21:26 ZenithM wrote:
On June 26 2012 21:22 Daray wrote:
On June 26 2012 21:20 habeck wrote:
[quote]

Why cant I? Why were everybody telling bomber to make ghosts? But he didnt, as he know, that they aren't as good as they used to be. In old times, Terran could mass Ghosts and win, just like Zerg did now with infestors. I wish ghosts werent that useless as they are now in TvZ


Dude, what did they change that Ghosts became useless against Infestor only?
i3owkri3uj2453456425325832589325

That's the point though. Infestors are good against everything. Ghosts are only good against Infestors. You don't want mass ghosts, but you need mass ghosts to take on that many infestors.
You don't want to execute a strategy that only mildly counters what your opponent is doing without any way of getting back at him if it succeeds and take an offensive stance.


And what zerg army is good without infestors? Which means you can have ghosts in any terran army.


If you waste too much supply in Ghost the Terran army becomes terrible in direct combat .


The zerg army is terrible in direct combat when you disable infestors.


No matter what you say, they will never agree that Ghosts have a use any more. They are hopelessly convinced they are useless.


I saw Ryung make ghosts against Hero in NASL Playoffs while being a good bit behind v. colossi/high templar/chargelot and he still had great engagements when down on supply. Possibly the only terran I've seen lately actually use ghosts properly the way they did 6 months ago in the HT v Ghost war, instead of just making 0-2 ghosts with 0 emps and getting rolled over by storms. But nope, ghosts are completely worthless. Better make more ravens that do nothing because he doesn't have infinite money to make ghosts as well apparently.

I think they were talking abou specifically for TvZ, not in general


I'm speaking about the general refusal to make any unit remotely nerfed that is pretty much shared by every race. It's like the second an OP unit is brought in line, it suddenly is deemed worthless to build, then suddenly the race gets completely destroyed because it refuses..to make...the unit.


Zergs are still making infestor even after the infestor nerf =)
ancientmariner
Profile Joined November 2011
116 Posts
June 26 2012 12:39 GMT
#1944
On June 26 2012 21:38 kyllinghest wrote:
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On June 26 2012 21:37 Ansinjunger wrote:
How was MMA vs HongUn?

A trainwreck!

A Voidray-wreck!
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
June 26 2012 12:39 GMT
#1945
On June 26 2012 21:38 kyllinghest wrote:
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On June 26 2012 21:37 Ansinjunger wrote:
How was MMA vs HongUn?

A trainwreck!

for some reason this is not surprising at all >.>
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The KY
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United Kingdom6252 Posts
June 26 2012 12:39 GMT
#1946
On June 26 2012 21:37 rothsbury wrote:
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On June 26 2012 21:36 The KY wrote:
On June 26 2012 21:35 rothsbury wrote:
On June 26 2012 21:33 The KY wrote:
On June 26 2012 21:32 rothsbury wrote:
On June 26 2012 21:31 The KY wrote:
On June 26 2012 21:28 rothsbury wrote:
On June 26 2012 21:25 Toadvine wrote:
On June 26 2012 21:20 rothsbury wrote:
On June 26 2012 21:17 Toadvine wrote:
Honestly though, Infestors are a pretty stupid unit. Massing spellcasters should never be viable, much less as good as mass Infestor is.

It's not good against correct response. Have you seen MKP's (demuslim has done this also) mass bio + medivac against infestor ling? The medivacs out-heal the fungal growth and it's really effective. The zerg then needs to include speed banelings (which cuts into infestors, so it's no longer mass infestor) and then the terran has to split well. It's not "herp derp mass infestor -> win" unless the terran plays badly.


I'm not saying mass Infestors is optimal, and don't really care about how Zerg matchups play out specifically. Caster units should just never be as versatile and self-sufficient as Infestors, they're supposed to support an army. This is the main reason Ghosts were nerfed, they were too versatile and too good when massed. I really do hope that HotS sees some Infestors nerfs, since they're a really dumb unit right now.

Ghosts were nerfed because they were legitimately imbalanced against 3rd tier zerg (though the patch was stupid for this since it nerfed snipe against non-massive). What does it mean for a massed unit to be viable? Does the opponent have to not respond correctly?


I wonder what other caster can be massed almost exclusively and do well against any composition...

Like I said, "does the opponent have to not respond correctly"? Mass infestors do not do well against any composition.


Name the terran composition that they do not do well against.

The one Bomber is using in the current game, for example.


..you can definitely go infestor against mech and be perfectly comfortable.

What, so just mass infestor without any supporting units? Super viable, man. You should tell freaky to stop wasting his time with this roach and/or ling nonsense.


Infestor/roach into broods, not pure infestor.

Alright so I was SLIGHTLY exaggerating, you can't go pure infestor against every single thing. But then again you were talking about ghosts originally and you can't go pure ghosts against...well anything.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
June 26 2012 12:39 GMT
#1947
So...Who else is about to get 8/8 on Liquibet? xD
Was pretty easy to cool these first 8 imo.
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CtrlShiftAltGrrrrrrr
Profile Joined June 2012
544 Posts
June 26 2012 12:40 GMT
#1948
On June 26 2012 21:37 phodacbiet wrote:
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On June 26 2012 21:36 Za7oX wrote:
On June 26 2012 21:36 Koshi wrote:
We lost 3 zergs to code B today.
Sad day.

But terran's are not supposed to beat zergs :O


No! You dont understand! These zergs are playing terribly! Only when they win are they considered imba


dude u realise who the terrans were ? for god sake theyre the absolute best in the world, no terran is objectively better than the ones who played today
awaiting the return of the space cowboy
FakeDeath
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia6060 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-26 12:41:01
June 26 2012 12:40 GMT
#1949
On June 26 2012 21:38 liaf wrote:
No zergs moved on today oO


Its okay as long as we see less terran bitching about the current state of TvZ.

Also,zergs played subpar compared to their full potential(Monster and Freaky).
No upsets and pretty standard followthrough.
Play your best
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
June 26 2012 12:40 GMT
#1950
On June 26 2012 21:39 ancientmariner wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2012 21:38 kyllinghest wrote:
On June 26 2012 21:37 Ansinjunger wrote:
How was MMA vs HongUn?

A trainwreck!

A Voidray-wreck!

A Void-reck?
Sumahi
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Guam5609 Posts
June 26 2012 12:40 GMT
#1951
Yayyyyy Bomber!!! That second game was epic but had me worried.
Startale <3, ST_July <3, HongUn <3, Savior <3, Gretorp <3, Nada <3, Rainbow <3, Ret <3, Squirtle <3, Bomber <3
AbuntuGuntu
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1972 Posts
June 26 2012 12:40 GMT
#1952
Losiraaaaaaaa so excited for next code a!
Mowr
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden791 Posts
June 26 2012 12:40 GMT
#1953
Good to get rid of a bunch of clueless mediocre zergs. Sorry fanboys, that was bad play.
Kill one man and they'll call you a murderer. Kill an army of men and they'll call you a general. But kill all men and they'll call you a god.
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
June 26 2012 12:40 GMT
#1954
On June 26 2012 21:39 phodacbiet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2012 21:38 Heavenlee wrote:
On June 26 2012 21:36 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On June 26 2012 21:35 Heavenlee wrote:
On June 26 2012 21:31 avc wrote:
On June 26 2012 21:30 nkr wrote:
On June 26 2012 21:28 s3rp wrote:
On June 26 2012 21:26 nkr wrote:
On June 26 2012 21:26 ZenithM wrote:
On June 26 2012 21:22 Daray wrote:
[quote]

Dude, what did they change that Ghosts became useless against Infestor only?
i3owkri3uj2453456425325832589325

That's the point though. Infestors are good against everything. Ghosts are only good against Infestors. You don't want mass ghosts, but you need mass ghosts to take on that many infestors.
You don't want to execute a strategy that only mildly counters what your opponent is doing without any way of getting back at him if it succeeds and take an offensive stance.


And what zerg army is good without infestors? Which means you can have ghosts in any terran army.


If you waste too much supply in Ghost the Terran army becomes terrible in direct combat .


The zerg army is terrible in direct combat when you disable infestors.


No matter what you say, they will never agree that Ghosts have a use any more. They are hopelessly convinced they are useless.


I saw Ryung make ghosts against Hero in NASL Playoffs while being a good bit behind v. colossi/high templar/chargelot and he still had great engagements when down on supply. Possibly the only terran I've seen lately actually use ghosts properly the way they did 6 months ago in the HT v Ghost war, instead of just making 0-2 ghosts with 0 emps and getting rolled over by storms. But nope, ghosts are completely worthless. Better make more ravens that do nothing because he doesn't have infinite money to make ghosts as well apparently.

I think they were talking abou specifically for TvZ, not in general


I'm speaking about the general refusal to make any unit remotely nerfed that is pretty much shared by every race. It's like the second an OP unit is brought in line, it suddenly is deemed worthless to build, then suddenly the race gets completely destroyed because it refuses..to make...the unit.


Zergs are still making infestor even after the infestor nerf =)

Also Terrans are still using hellions.
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torm3ntin
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil2534 Posts
June 26 2012 12:40 GMT
#1955
yeah liquibets went good today :D
Grubby and Ret fan, but a TERRAN player :D
Jono7272
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom6330 Posts
June 26 2012 12:40 GMT
#1956
On June 26 2012 21:39 pdd wrote:
Oh cool. ForGG changed his ID back to ForGG.

Oh yeah, I didn't really notice seeing as no ones ever called him Fin really!
Innovation | Flash | Mvp | Byun | TY
LimitSEA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia9580 Posts
June 26 2012 12:40 GMT
#1957
Gogogo Losira!

You Code S soon!
Long live the King of Wings
Zorgaz
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden2951 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-26 12:41:28
June 26 2012 12:40 GMT
#1958
On June 26 2012 21:38 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2012 21:36 sevia wrote:
I am feeling so vindicated right now.

Mech is the future of TvZ. That game compared to so many failing with marine-tank...


I'm sorry to break it to you but Mech just loses to a roach max with drops at 13-14 mins if your opponent scouts you before choosing their tech path.


Yeah Mech i really fragile, hard to pull it off. It can be very strong, but i don't think it's better then biomech or bio/air or pure bio, just a different style. Different styles are good on different maps

Atlast full liquidbet, it's been a while. Not too hard to predict today though ^^
Furthermore, I think the Collosi should be removed! (Zorgaz -Terran/AbrA-Random/Zorg-Dota2) Guineapigs <3
nkr
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Sweden5451 Posts
June 26 2012 12:40 GMT
#1959
On June 26 2012 21:40 Mowr wrote:
Good to get rid of a bunch of clueless mediocre zergs. Sorry fanboys, that was bad play.


terrans are always great players!
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Roggay
Profile Joined April 2010
Switzerland6320 Posts
June 26 2012 12:40 GMT
#1960
On June 26 2012 21:39 Pandemona wrote:
So...Who else is about to get 8/8 on Liquibet? xD
Was pretty easy to cool these first 8 imo.

7/8 :/
Only got Jjakji vs Monster wrong.
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