• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 21:29
CET 02:29
KST 10:29
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT30Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book19Clem wins HomeStory Cup 289HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview13Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info8
Community News
Weekly Cups (March 9-15): herO, Clem, ByuN win02026 KungFu Cup Announcement5BGE Stara Zagora 2026 cancelled12Blizzard Classic Cup - Tastosis announced as captains17Weekly Cups (March 2-8): ByuN overcomes PvT block5
StarCraft 2
General
Potential Updates Coming to the SC2 CN Server Weekly Cups (March 2-8): ByuN overcomes PvT block Blizzard Classic Cup - Tastosis announced as captains Weekly Cups (March 9-15): herO, Clem, ByuN win GSL CK - New online series
Tourneys
Telegram @Easyphase buy Dexies in Sydney 2026 KungFu Cup Announcement [GSL CK] #2: Team Classic vs. Team Solar [GSL CK] #1: Team Maru vs. Team herO RSL Season 4 announced for March-April
Strategy
Custom Maps
Publishing has been re-enabled! [Feb 24th 2026] Map Editor closed ?
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 517 Distant Threat Mutation # 516 Specter of Death Mutation # 515 Together Forever
Brood War
General
ASL21 General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Gypsy to Korea BSL 22 Map Contest — Submissions OPEN to March 10 Are you ready for ASL 21? Hype VIDEO
Tourneys
ASL Season 21 Qualifiers March 7-8 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL22] Open Qualifiers & Ladder Tours IPSL Spring 2026 is here!
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2 Fighting Spirit mining rates Zealot bombing is no longer popular?
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Dawn of War IV Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread PC Games Sales Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Five o'clock TL Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Mexico's Drug War Russo-Ukrainian War Thread NASA and the Private Sector
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Tokyo Olympics 2021 Thread Formula 1 Discussion General nutrition recommendations Cricket [SPORT]
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Laptop capable of using Photoshop Lightroom?
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Money Laundering In Video Ga…
TrAiDoS
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
FS++
Kraekkling
Shocked by a laser…
Spydermine0240
Unintentional protectionism…
Uldridge
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 3840 users

IPL at Hot Import Nights! $10,000 SC2 Tourney! - Page 34

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 32 33 34 35 36 103 Next
Swords
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
6038 Posts
July 08 2012 00:37 GMT
#661
The matchup has become much less fun to watch. It used to play out on a razor's edge from start to finish.

VeNoM HaZ Skill
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1528 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-08 00:38:47
July 08 2012 00:37 GMT
#662
I don't get all the comments stating MMA is slumping. His TvZ has definitely taken a hit, which is disheartening because it was his defining MU. But if you've watched some of his recent play you'd find that his TvP has become quite exceptional and that his TvT, while not as strong, is still enough to take out MKP in a Bo5.
#1 MMA fan! I like you too Taeja. Still patiently waiting for the Crown Prince to become the King.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
July 08 2012 00:37 GMT
#663
On July 08 2012 09:37 andaylin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2012 09:34 blade55555 wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:31 Jono7272 wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:28 blade55555 wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:28 Aeceus wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:25 Crowned wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:24 Aeceus wrote:
Dunno why you are saying queen ling good... that push did what it was designed to do


Must have been designed to do nothing.


It means that DRG doesnt crush MMA before the 12 minute mark?


I would stop responding to them. From what I have seen most posts in this thread since drg/mma have started are just Terrans QQ'ing lol as if DRG is some terrible zerg who should never beat a slumping MMA.

Surely even from a Zerg biased point of view you can see that this match up is pretty rubbish now. Used to be the best..


Sure favors zerg atm, but I dont' think it's anywhere near as bad as many people complain about, especially with terrans starting to win in tvz a lot more especially when comparing to 2 weeks ago. MMA has been slumping like all year as well so it's not surprising for the best zerg in the world to absolutely crush him right now.

I still think zvt is a lot more fun to watch then zvp/pvt anyday.

Anyway I am done reading this thread as I can see there will be no rational talk about games considering what I have read the past 5 or so pages so I shall let you guys continue with the whining without responding.

lol TvP is more exciting than TvZ nowadays.

By TvP you mean TvParting right?
Glorious SEA doto
Bibbit
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada5377 Posts
July 08 2012 00:37 GMT
#664
On July 08 2012 09:36 honed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2012 09:35 Bibbit wrote:
Just give terran a matching buff to what zerg got. Marine damage 6->8.

That doesnt sound unfair at all !

lol? nowhere near the same thing

Jeez I give people way too much credit these days T_T
13JackaL
Profile Joined March 2011
United States577 Posts
July 08 2012 00:37 GMT
#665
On July 08 2012 09:36 honed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2012 09:35 Bibbit wrote:
Just give terran a matching buff to what zerg got. Marine damage 6->8.

That doesnt sound unfair at all !

lol? nowhere near the same thing


read his signature.
and my axe
Tula
Profile Joined December 2010
Austria1544 Posts
July 08 2012 00:37 GMT
#666
On July 08 2012 09:32 Aeceus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2012 09:31 Jono7272 wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:28 blade55555 wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:28 Aeceus wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:25 Crowned wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:24 Aeceus wrote:
Dunno why you are saying queen ling good... that push did what it was designed to do


Must have been designed to do nothing.


It means that DRG doesnt crush MMA before the 12 minute mark?


I would stop responding to them. From what I have seen most posts in this thread since drg/mma have started are just Terrans QQ'ing lol as if DRG is some terrible zerg who should never beat a slumping MMA.

Surely even from a Zerg biased point of view you can see that this match up is pretty rubbish now. Used to be the best..


I agree its definately not as good as it was. But I have seen other T put up better fights than MMA just did


against DRG? That's what pisses me off. Around Christmas DRG MMA matches where something i looked forward to. Now? I predicted exactly this result as soon as i knew they would be playing. I even bet my brother how the games would go. First game I said he would try to eco as hard as he could and die to roach/bane (roach/ling is close enough imho), second game he would try some kind of harass build and fail miserably and fall behind.

Even with that ridiculous ledge for the Terran his harass build failed miserably because queens can pretty much solo anything Terran can build with a few lings produced.

Don't get me wrong, DRG is a great player and made no mistakes in those games. He scouted MMA perfectly in game 1 and went for the throat just as he should have, but the state of this matchup is a disgrace, esp. considering the fact that there was no problem prepatch...
bobbeh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada101 Posts
July 08 2012 00:38 GMT
#667
6 month ago TvZ had nukes and a ton of back and forth and a ton of drops and multitasking.

It was the most entertaining match up to watch.

Now it's just not fun to watch >_>
Ravar
Profile Joined June 2011
United States447 Posts
July 08 2012 00:39 GMT
#668
On July 08 2012 09:37 Aeceus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2012 09:35 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:32 Fubi wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:30 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:28 andaylin wrote:
I hope David Kim is watching this, he himself said his favorite player was MMA. What was once an epic rivalry is now.... sigh


what can we expect, an insignifant terran buff or a huge and unjustified zerg nerf ?

How bout... reduce Queen's range from 5 to 3?


do you really expect blizzard to revert it ? They will never admit their mistake


I really don't understand both changes, Queen range 5 and overlord speed increase are kinda the same thing? I mean both are scouting based basically as creep is a form of scouting. They need to remove one or the other I think.


Queen range was to make holding off early aggression easier, which it succeeded in hilariously well
Yeah bitch, magnets
ROOTheognis
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States4482 Posts
July 08 2012 00:39 GMT
#669
On July 08 2012 09:37 Tula wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2012 09:32 Aeceus wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:31 Jono7272 wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:28 blade55555 wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:28 Aeceus wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:25 Crowned wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:24 Aeceus wrote:
Dunno why you are saying queen ling good... that push did what it was designed to do


Must have been designed to do nothing.


It means that DRG doesnt crush MMA before the 12 minute mark?


I would stop responding to them. From what I have seen most posts in this thread since drg/mma have started are just Terrans QQ'ing lol as if DRG is some terrible zerg who should never beat a slumping MMA.

Surely even from a Zerg biased point of view you can see that this match up is pretty rubbish now. Used to be the best..


I agree its definately not as good as it was. But I have seen other T put up better fights than MMA just did


against DRG? That's what pisses me off. Around Christmas DRG MMA matches where something i looked forward to. Now? I predicted exactly this result as soon as i knew they would be playing. I even bet my brother how the games would go. First game I said he would try to eco as hard as he could and die to roach/bane (roach/ling is close enough imho), second game he would try some kind of harass build and fail miserably and fall behind.

Even with that ridiculous ledge for the Terran his harass build failed miserably because queens can pretty much solo anything Terran can build with a few lings produced.

Don't get me wrong, DRG is a great player and made no mistakes in those games. He scouted MMA perfectly in game 1 and went for the throat just as he should have, but the state of this matchup is a disgrace, esp. considering the fact that there was no problem prepatch...


Putting the patch aside, I feel MMA's build on Antiga was pretty bad regardless.
If you avoid your weakness, it will remain your weakness. www.twitter.com/#!/rootheognis Follow me!
honed
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada482 Posts
July 08 2012 00:39 GMT
#670
On July 08 2012 09:37 13JackaL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2012 09:36 honed wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:35 Bibbit wrote:
Just give terran a matching buff to what zerg got. Marine damage 6->8.

That doesnt sound unfair at all !

lol? nowhere near the same thing


read his signature.

so hes just a troll. thats cool. in fact that was a useful and contributing post. thank you for that
SarcasmMonster
Profile Joined October 2011
3136 Posts
July 08 2012 00:39 GMT
#671
On July 08 2012 09:35 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2012 09:32 Fubi wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:30 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:28 andaylin wrote:
I hope David Kim is watching this, he himself said his favorite player was MMA. What was once an epic rivalry is now.... sigh


what can we expect, an insignifant terran buff or a huge and unjustified zerg nerf ?

How bout... reduce Queen's range from 5 to 3?


do you really expect blizzard to revert it ? They will never admit their mistake


That's not fair. They've reverted changes before in WOL. Zealot, Bunkers, Thors, etc.
MMA: The true King of Wings
mrtomjones
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada4020 Posts
July 08 2012 00:39 GMT
#672
On July 08 2012 09:38 bobbeh wrote:
6 month ago TvZ had nukes and a ton of back and forth and a ton of drops and multitasking.

It was the most entertaining match up to watch.

Now it's just not fun to watch >_>

I think a lot of it is the crazy creep spread... MMA can't get many successful drops if the spread is that good..
Aeceus
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom1278 Posts
July 08 2012 00:40 GMT
#673
On July 08 2012 09:39 Ravar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2012 09:37 Aeceus wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:35 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:32 Fubi wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:30 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:28 andaylin wrote:
I hope David Kim is watching this, he himself said his favorite player was MMA. What was once an epic rivalry is now.... sigh


what can we expect, an insignifant terran buff or a huge and unjustified zerg nerf ?

How bout... reduce Queen's range from 5 to 3?


do you really expect blizzard to revert it ? They will never admit their mistake


I really don't understand both changes, Queen range 5 and overlord speed increase are kinda the same thing? I mean both are scouting based basically as creep is a form of scouting. They need to remove one or the other I think.


Queen range was to make holding off early aggression easier, which it succeeded in hilariously well


Yes but it also assists creep. So its still a scouting buff aswell as a combat buff.
Crowned
Profile Joined August 2011
United States368 Posts
July 08 2012 00:40 GMT
#674
TvZ was the most balanced matchup (winrate wise) and funnest to watch (opinion obv) before the patch, and now it's just gone to hell. I agree the Zerg needed at least the overlord buff, because it was so easy to deny the overlord and all-in. Now you can't surprise a Zerg at all so the only choice is to outgreed them and with the larva/inject mechanic it's hard to pull that off too.
It's cool to love to win, but it's better to hate to lose.
andaylin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States10830 Posts
July 08 2012 00:40 GMT
#675
On July 08 2012 09:37 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2012 09:37 andaylin wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:34 blade55555 wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:31 Jono7272 wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:28 blade55555 wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:28 Aeceus wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:25 Crowned wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:24 Aeceus wrote:
Dunno why you are saying queen ling good... that push did what it was designed to do


Must have been designed to do nothing.


It means that DRG doesnt crush MMA before the 12 minute mark?


I would stop responding to them. From what I have seen most posts in this thread since drg/mma have started are just Terrans QQ'ing lol as if DRG is some terrible zerg who should never beat a slumping MMA.

Surely even from a Zerg biased point of view you can see that this match up is pretty rubbish now. Used to be the best..


Sure favors zerg atm, but I dont' think it's anywhere near as bad as many people complain about, especially with terrans starting to win in tvz a lot more especially when comparing to 2 weeks ago. MMA has been slumping like all year as well so it's not surprising for the best zerg in the world to absolutely crush him right now.

I still think zvt is a lot more fun to watch then zvp/pvt anyday.

Anyway I am done reading this thread as I can see there will be no rational talk about games considering what I have read the past 5 or so pages so I shall let you guys continue with the whining without responding.

lol TvP is more exciting than TvZ nowadays.

By TvP you mean TvParting right?

No, i mean TvP. At least it lends some leeway to some midgame play by the terran, which is the most exciting aspect of terran play. not turtle to 15-20 minutes to encounter and infester broodlord deathball.
"Hard work beats talent when talent fails to work hard." - Kevin Durant
ROOTheognis
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States4482 Posts
July 08 2012 00:40 GMT
#676
On July 08 2012 09:39 SarcasmMonster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2012 09:35 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:32 Fubi wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:30 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:28 andaylin wrote:
I hope David Kim is watching this, he himself said his favorite player was MMA. What was once an epic rivalry is now.... sigh


what can we expect, an insignifant terran buff or a huge and unjustified zerg nerf ?

How bout... reduce Queen's range from 5 to 3?


do you really expect blizzard to revert it ? They will never admit their mistake


That's not fair. They've reverted changes before in WOL. Zealot, Bunkers, Thors, etc.


Those were pretty minor changes compared to the queen buff. There's no point praying for a patch revert. Better just to wait for HotS :D
If you avoid your weakness, it will remain your weakness. www.twitter.com/#!/rootheognis Follow me!
SAFenix
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada439 Posts
July 08 2012 00:40 GMT
#677
Let's go MMA <3 Don't let your race bring you down. Be that revolutionist who turns it all around for your entire race. I believe.

P.S. DRG sucks.
mYi.Rain | SKT1.soO
Surrealistic
Profile Joined September 2009
311 Posts
July 08 2012 00:40 GMT
#678
MMA chatting up a girl on stream. Being baller. Why is he so coo?
Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
July 08 2012 00:41 GMT
#679
On July 08 2012 09:36 Ravar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2012 09:35 Bibbit wrote:
Just give terran a matching buff to what zerg got. Marine damage 6->8.

That doesnt sound unfair at all !


That might have been funny if you said Marine range 5->7


even funnier if he said 13 -> 22 ... oh wait, it's coming
Terran & Potato Salad.
Thrillz
Profile Joined May 2012
4313 Posts
July 08 2012 00:41 GMT
#680
On July 08 2012 09:35 Aeceus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2012 09:33 IshinShishi wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:30 nkr wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:28 andaylin wrote:
I hope David Kim is watching this, he himself said his favorite player was MMA. What was once an epic rivalry is now.... sigh


yeah, because DRG has been terrible for a while now, and MMA has been doing great all over the place, in all MUs. It's weird how he still loses this.

yeah, because polt vs stephano is looking close now and so is mkp vs drg, they aren't getting roflstomped at all.


Did you see Ryung vs DRG in GSL? Pretty good games. So was Taeja vs Violet. Didn't Jjakji 'roflstomp' MVPMonster in code A?


Ryung vs DRG was only good in game 1, the other games were just...bad. Taeja vs Violet was alright. And as well as Monster has been doing recently, we are talking about a GSL champion in Jjakji. It's not as exciting as it use to be from a spectator point of view.
Prev 1 32 33 34 35 36 103 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
00:00
GSL CK #2
CranKy Ducklings83
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft339
RuFF_SC2 160
ProTech140
StarCraft: Brood War
GuemChi 3541
Artosis 746
Nal_rA 79
Britney 0
Dota 2
monkeys_forever871
Counter-Strike
taco 591
minikerr10
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox606
C9.Mang0505
AZ_Axe145
Mew2King21
Other Games
summit1g15310
JimRising 660
Day[9].tv390
Maynarde127
ViBE106
Trikslyr83
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick851
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream347
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• EnkiAlexander 51
• davetesta24
• HeavenSC 23
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• sooper7s
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• RayReign 16
• Azhi_Dahaki6
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Other Games
• Scarra1037
• Day9tv390
Upcoming Events
WardiTV Team League
10h 32m
PiGosaur Cup
22h 32m
Kung Fu Cup
1d 9h
OSC
1d 22h
The PondCast
2 days
KCM Race Survival
2 days
WardiTV Team League
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
KCM Race Survival
3 days
WardiTV Team League
3 days
[ Show More ]
Korean StarCraft League
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
Maru vs Zoun
Cure vs ByuN
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
4 days
BSL
4 days
RSL Revival
5 days
herO vs MaxPax
Rogue vs TriGGeR
BSL
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Afreeca Starleague
6 days
Sharp vs Scan
Rain vs Mong
Wardi Open
6 days
Monday Night Weeklies
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-03-15
WardiTV Winter 2026
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Jeongseon Sooper Cup
BSL Season 22
CSL Elite League 2026
RSL Revival: Season 4
Nations Cup 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual

Upcoming

ASL Season 21
Acropolis #4 - TS6
2026 Changsha Offline CUP
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
NationLESS Cup
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.