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Swords
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
6038 Posts
July 08 2012 00:37 GMT
#661
The matchup has become much less fun to watch. It used to play out on a razor's edge from start to finish.

VeNoM HaZ Skill
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1528 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-08 00:38:47
July 08 2012 00:37 GMT
#662
I don't get all the comments stating MMA is slumping. His TvZ has definitely taken a hit, which is disheartening because it was his defining MU. But if you've watched some of his recent play you'd find that his TvP has become quite exceptional and that his TvT, while not as strong, is still enough to take out MKP in a Bo5.
#1 MMA fan! I like you too Taeja. Still patiently waiting for the Crown Prince to become the King.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
July 08 2012 00:37 GMT
#663
On July 08 2012 09:37 andaylin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2012 09:34 blade55555 wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:31 Jono7272 wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:28 blade55555 wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:28 Aeceus wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:25 Crowned wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:24 Aeceus wrote:
Dunno why you are saying queen ling good... that push did what it was designed to do


Must have been designed to do nothing.


It means that DRG doesnt crush MMA before the 12 minute mark?


I would stop responding to them. From what I have seen most posts in this thread since drg/mma have started are just Terrans QQ'ing lol as if DRG is some terrible zerg who should never beat a slumping MMA.

Surely even from a Zerg biased point of view you can see that this match up is pretty rubbish now. Used to be the best..


Sure favors zerg atm, but I dont' think it's anywhere near as bad as many people complain about, especially with terrans starting to win in tvz a lot more especially when comparing to 2 weeks ago. MMA has been slumping like all year as well so it's not surprising for the best zerg in the world to absolutely crush him right now.

I still think zvt is a lot more fun to watch then zvp/pvt anyday.

Anyway I am done reading this thread as I can see there will be no rational talk about games considering what I have read the past 5 or so pages so I shall let you guys continue with the whining without responding.

lol TvP is more exciting than TvZ nowadays.

By TvP you mean TvParting right?
Glorious SEA doto
Bibbit
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada5377 Posts
July 08 2012 00:37 GMT
#664
On July 08 2012 09:36 honed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2012 09:35 Bibbit wrote:
Just give terran a matching buff to what zerg got. Marine damage 6->8.

That doesnt sound unfair at all !

lol? nowhere near the same thing

Jeez I give people way too much credit these days T_T
13JackaL
Profile Joined March 2011
United States577 Posts
July 08 2012 00:37 GMT
#665
On July 08 2012 09:36 honed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2012 09:35 Bibbit wrote:
Just give terran a matching buff to what zerg got. Marine damage 6->8.

That doesnt sound unfair at all !

lol? nowhere near the same thing


read his signature.
and my axe
Tula
Profile Joined December 2010
Austria1544 Posts
July 08 2012 00:37 GMT
#666
On July 08 2012 09:32 Aeceus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2012 09:31 Jono7272 wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:28 blade55555 wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:28 Aeceus wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:25 Crowned wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:24 Aeceus wrote:
Dunno why you are saying queen ling good... that push did what it was designed to do


Must have been designed to do nothing.


It means that DRG doesnt crush MMA before the 12 minute mark?


I would stop responding to them. From what I have seen most posts in this thread since drg/mma have started are just Terrans QQ'ing lol as if DRG is some terrible zerg who should never beat a slumping MMA.

Surely even from a Zerg biased point of view you can see that this match up is pretty rubbish now. Used to be the best..


I agree its definately not as good as it was. But I have seen other T put up better fights than MMA just did


against DRG? That's what pisses me off. Around Christmas DRG MMA matches where something i looked forward to. Now? I predicted exactly this result as soon as i knew they would be playing. I even bet my brother how the games would go. First game I said he would try to eco as hard as he could and die to roach/bane (roach/ling is close enough imho), second game he would try some kind of harass build and fail miserably and fall behind.

Even with that ridiculous ledge for the Terran his harass build failed miserably because queens can pretty much solo anything Terran can build with a few lings produced.

Don't get me wrong, DRG is a great player and made no mistakes in those games. He scouted MMA perfectly in game 1 and went for the throat just as he should have, but the state of this matchup is a disgrace, esp. considering the fact that there was no problem prepatch...
bobbeh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada101 Posts
July 08 2012 00:38 GMT
#667
6 month ago TvZ had nukes and a ton of back and forth and a ton of drops and multitasking.

It was the most entertaining match up to watch.

Now it's just not fun to watch >_>
Ravar
Profile Joined June 2011
United States447 Posts
July 08 2012 00:39 GMT
#668
On July 08 2012 09:37 Aeceus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2012 09:35 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:32 Fubi wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:30 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:28 andaylin wrote:
I hope David Kim is watching this, he himself said his favorite player was MMA. What was once an epic rivalry is now.... sigh


what can we expect, an insignifant terran buff or a huge and unjustified zerg nerf ?

How bout... reduce Queen's range from 5 to 3?


do you really expect blizzard to revert it ? They will never admit their mistake


I really don't understand both changes, Queen range 5 and overlord speed increase are kinda the same thing? I mean both are scouting based basically as creep is a form of scouting. They need to remove one or the other I think.


Queen range was to make holding off early aggression easier, which it succeeded in hilariously well
Yeah bitch, magnets
ROOTheognis
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States4482 Posts
July 08 2012 00:39 GMT
#669
On July 08 2012 09:37 Tula wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2012 09:32 Aeceus wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:31 Jono7272 wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:28 blade55555 wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:28 Aeceus wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:25 Crowned wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:24 Aeceus wrote:
Dunno why you are saying queen ling good... that push did what it was designed to do


Must have been designed to do nothing.


It means that DRG doesnt crush MMA before the 12 minute mark?


I would stop responding to them. From what I have seen most posts in this thread since drg/mma have started are just Terrans QQ'ing lol as if DRG is some terrible zerg who should never beat a slumping MMA.

Surely even from a Zerg biased point of view you can see that this match up is pretty rubbish now. Used to be the best..


I agree its definately not as good as it was. But I have seen other T put up better fights than MMA just did


against DRG? That's what pisses me off. Around Christmas DRG MMA matches where something i looked forward to. Now? I predicted exactly this result as soon as i knew they would be playing. I even bet my brother how the games would go. First game I said he would try to eco as hard as he could and die to roach/bane (roach/ling is close enough imho), second game he would try some kind of harass build and fail miserably and fall behind.

Even with that ridiculous ledge for the Terran his harass build failed miserably because queens can pretty much solo anything Terran can build with a few lings produced.

Don't get me wrong, DRG is a great player and made no mistakes in those games. He scouted MMA perfectly in game 1 and went for the throat just as he should have, but the state of this matchup is a disgrace, esp. considering the fact that there was no problem prepatch...


Putting the patch aside, I feel MMA's build on Antiga was pretty bad regardless.
If you avoid your weakness, it will remain your weakness. www.twitter.com/#!/rootheognis Follow me!
honed
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada482 Posts
July 08 2012 00:39 GMT
#670
On July 08 2012 09:37 13JackaL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2012 09:36 honed wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:35 Bibbit wrote:
Just give terran a matching buff to what zerg got. Marine damage 6->8.

That doesnt sound unfair at all !

lol? nowhere near the same thing


read his signature.

so hes just a troll. thats cool. in fact that was a useful and contributing post. thank you for that
SarcasmMonster
Profile Joined October 2011
3136 Posts
July 08 2012 00:39 GMT
#671
On July 08 2012 09:35 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2012 09:32 Fubi wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:30 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:28 andaylin wrote:
I hope David Kim is watching this, he himself said his favorite player was MMA. What was once an epic rivalry is now.... sigh


what can we expect, an insignifant terran buff or a huge and unjustified zerg nerf ?

How bout... reduce Queen's range from 5 to 3?


do you really expect blizzard to revert it ? They will never admit their mistake


That's not fair. They've reverted changes before in WOL. Zealot, Bunkers, Thors, etc.
MMA: The true King of Wings
mrtomjones
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada4020 Posts
July 08 2012 00:39 GMT
#672
On July 08 2012 09:38 bobbeh wrote:
6 month ago TvZ had nukes and a ton of back and forth and a ton of drops and multitasking.

It was the most entertaining match up to watch.

Now it's just not fun to watch >_>

I think a lot of it is the crazy creep spread... MMA can't get many successful drops if the spread is that good..
Aeceus
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom1278 Posts
July 08 2012 00:40 GMT
#673
On July 08 2012 09:39 Ravar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2012 09:37 Aeceus wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:35 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:32 Fubi wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:30 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:28 andaylin wrote:
I hope David Kim is watching this, he himself said his favorite player was MMA. What was once an epic rivalry is now.... sigh


what can we expect, an insignifant terran buff or a huge and unjustified zerg nerf ?

How bout... reduce Queen's range from 5 to 3?


do you really expect blizzard to revert it ? They will never admit their mistake


I really don't understand both changes, Queen range 5 and overlord speed increase are kinda the same thing? I mean both are scouting based basically as creep is a form of scouting. They need to remove one or the other I think.


Queen range was to make holding off early aggression easier, which it succeeded in hilariously well


Yes but it also assists creep. So its still a scouting buff aswell as a combat buff.
Crowned
Profile Joined August 2011
United States368 Posts
July 08 2012 00:40 GMT
#674
TvZ was the most balanced matchup (winrate wise) and funnest to watch (opinion obv) before the patch, and now it's just gone to hell. I agree the Zerg needed at least the overlord buff, because it was so easy to deny the overlord and all-in. Now you can't surprise a Zerg at all so the only choice is to outgreed them and with the larva/inject mechanic it's hard to pull that off too.
It's cool to love to win, but it's better to hate to lose.
andaylin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States10830 Posts
July 08 2012 00:40 GMT
#675
On July 08 2012 09:37 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2012 09:37 andaylin wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:34 blade55555 wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:31 Jono7272 wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:28 blade55555 wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:28 Aeceus wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:25 Crowned wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:24 Aeceus wrote:
Dunno why you are saying queen ling good... that push did what it was designed to do


Must have been designed to do nothing.


It means that DRG doesnt crush MMA before the 12 minute mark?


I would stop responding to them. From what I have seen most posts in this thread since drg/mma have started are just Terrans QQ'ing lol as if DRG is some terrible zerg who should never beat a slumping MMA.

Surely even from a Zerg biased point of view you can see that this match up is pretty rubbish now. Used to be the best..


Sure favors zerg atm, but I dont' think it's anywhere near as bad as many people complain about, especially with terrans starting to win in tvz a lot more especially when comparing to 2 weeks ago. MMA has been slumping like all year as well so it's not surprising for the best zerg in the world to absolutely crush him right now.

I still think zvt is a lot more fun to watch then zvp/pvt anyday.

Anyway I am done reading this thread as I can see there will be no rational talk about games considering what I have read the past 5 or so pages so I shall let you guys continue with the whining without responding.

lol TvP is more exciting than TvZ nowadays.

By TvP you mean TvParting right?

No, i mean TvP. At least it lends some leeway to some midgame play by the terran, which is the most exciting aspect of terran play. not turtle to 15-20 minutes to encounter and infester broodlord deathball.
"Hard work beats talent when talent fails to work hard." - Kevin Durant
ROOTheognis
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States4482 Posts
July 08 2012 00:40 GMT
#676
On July 08 2012 09:39 SarcasmMonster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2012 09:35 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:32 Fubi wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:30 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:28 andaylin wrote:
I hope David Kim is watching this, he himself said his favorite player was MMA. What was once an epic rivalry is now.... sigh


what can we expect, an insignifant terran buff or a huge and unjustified zerg nerf ?

How bout... reduce Queen's range from 5 to 3?


do you really expect blizzard to revert it ? They will never admit their mistake


That's not fair. They've reverted changes before in WOL. Zealot, Bunkers, Thors, etc.


Those were pretty minor changes compared to the queen buff. There's no point praying for a patch revert. Better just to wait for HotS :D
If you avoid your weakness, it will remain your weakness. www.twitter.com/#!/rootheognis Follow me!
SAFenix
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada439 Posts
July 08 2012 00:40 GMT
#677
Let's go MMA <3 Don't let your race bring you down. Be that revolutionist who turns it all around for your entire race. I believe.

P.S. DRG sucks.
mYi.Rain | SKT1.soO
Surrealistic
Profile Joined September 2009
311 Posts
July 08 2012 00:40 GMT
#678
MMA chatting up a girl on stream. Being baller. Why is he so coo?
Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
July 08 2012 00:41 GMT
#679
On July 08 2012 09:36 Ravar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2012 09:35 Bibbit wrote:
Just give terran a matching buff to what zerg got. Marine damage 6->8.

That doesnt sound unfair at all !


That might have been funny if you said Marine range 5->7


even funnier if he said 13 -> 22 ... oh wait, it's coming
Terran & Potato Salad.
Thrillz
Profile Joined May 2012
4313 Posts
July 08 2012 00:41 GMT
#680
On July 08 2012 09:35 Aeceus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2012 09:33 IshinShishi wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:30 nkr wrote:
On July 08 2012 09:28 andaylin wrote:
I hope David Kim is watching this, he himself said his favorite player was MMA. What was once an epic rivalry is now.... sigh


yeah, because DRG has been terrible for a while now, and MMA has been doing great all over the place, in all MUs. It's weird how he still loses this.

yeah, because polt vs stephano is looking close now and so is mkp vs drg, they aren't getting roflstomped at all.


Did you see Ryung vs DRG in GSL? Pretty good games. So was Taeja vs Violet. Didn't Jjakji 'roflstomp' MVPMonster in code A?


Ryung vs DRG was only good in game 1, the other games were just...bad. Taeja vs Violet was alright. And as well as Monster has been doing recently, we are talking about a GSL champion in Jjakji. It's not as exciting as it use to be from a spectator point of view.
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