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On June 18 2012 02:11 Fusilero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 02:10 Sroobz wrote:On June 18 2012 02:08 Noocta wrote:On June 18 2012 02:07 Sroobz wrote:On June 18 2012 02:06 mememolly wrote:On June 18 2012 02:05 Sroobz wrote:
ZvT is now a terrible matchup. eh? most watchable mu in the game I haven't seen a good one in a couple months I miss Marines tanks against Mutalingbane with no Hive before 20min. Control was what make the main difference. THANK YOU! It was so much more exciting than greedy 3 base infestor to ultra or brood lord V RUSH TO 3/3 marines and hope to get a good position. I miss matches like jjakji vs leenock where leenock won with excellent mine using and engagements instead of just getting a few fungals.
I even miss the Queen vs. Hellion dance where Zergs and Terrans had to be constantly alert or the Zerg would lose drones and the Terran would lose map control if either fell asleep at the wheel.
I really hope Terrans find some way to meta-game the new meta-game, because it's really boring watching the Zerg just make drones for 6-8 minutes every game.
Of course if the meta-game shifts that means you have to nerf something instantly, you know, instead of giving everyone time to figure things out.
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the queen buff really killed this MU... sadly, was one of the best
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Russian Federation125 Posts
I was wrong, Fraer won 1st game, so it's 1-1 now.
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On June 18 2012 02:12 mememolly wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 02:11 youngminii wrote:
Been away from SC2 for a bit, who the hell is Cytoplasm? British zerg
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On June 18 2012 02:13 Fermats_last wrote:
Sorry if it's already been said but where are you guys watching Keen vs Adelscott?
http://www.hatsu.co.uk/DH_Summer2012_multi.htm
Props to the guy in the Day 1 thread who made this page (can't remember his name).
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On June 18 2012 02:10 Scootaloo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 02:06 Destructicon wrote:On June 18 2012 02:04 Scootaloo wrote:On June 18 2012 01:59 Destructicon wrote:On June 18 2012 01:52 Scootaloo wrote:On June 18 2012 01:49 SeaSwift wrote:On June 18 2012 01:47 Scootaloo wrote:On June 18 2012 01:43 SeaSwift wrote:On June 18 2012 01:42 Scootaloo wrote:On June 18 2012 01:38 SeaSwift wrote:
That was hilarious. Why the fuck did Keen take 2 extra Command Centers after holding off a 4gate? Utterly moronic. Because it's an MKP build, I believe often called the "eco-cheese", if he was gonna do it he shoulda scouted better for a prolonged attack. Just another silly thing you can do when you're buildings fly, an ability that Keen seems to be in love with. He should have scanned Naniwa's natural after holding off the pressure. Also, stop with the passive aggressive bullshit. Keen floated buildings to try and force a draw. Naniwa all-ined two games in a row. Neither are things this community likes. I said he shoulda scouted, no reason why you repeat me. Also it's not passive agressive, Keen was just playing shit tier that game with his floating buildings, lost it way before and could'nt do shit to get back in, shoulda done a proper gg instead of wasting 15 minutes of everyones time. All inning might have it's bias but wasting time is IMO a far greater crime, as unlike cheesing, it benefits noone. He had a pretty high chance of getting a draw, your accusation of "shit tier" is just outright wrong. Oh yeah, and that IS passive aggressive, whether it was a waste of time or not. Learn what passive agressive means, there's nothing passive about this. And you must be a complete idiot if you think that a draw was actually likely with naniwa being about 80 supply up. Terrans can't win everything brah. This ain't half a year ago. Actually, you are dead wrong regarding a draw. The draw happens in 5 in game minutes if no mining has occurred and no unit has been killed, and it is done automatically by the game, not by a referee. So "brah" get your facts straight, because if Keen had his SP or Barracks together with his 3 Vikings and kills/denies that Phoenix the would have forced a draw. And you believe that Naniwa completely zoning out for 5 minutes is a likely prospect? Also, Naniwa was consistently killing Keens units, buildings and even his own workers, only way he would've had a draw is if Naniwa had a heart attack. Brah. You fail to to see the big picture, there was a dead spot near Keen's base where the ground army can't hit from and only air units can attack. Naniwa would have killed every other building on the map then he would have been stuck for 5 minutes trying to kill 3 Vikings with 1 phoenix, and trying his best not to lose said Phoenix. Please learn your game and your maps next time... Yes, so if Naniwa had a brainfart and sacrificed his Phoenix he woulda lost? If he durped and killed his own buildings he woulda lost as well, both are not behavior you should expect from a pro, despite how much you wanted Keen to draw.
Dude, Phoenixes have only 5 damn range, Vikings have 9. Phoenixes have only 80 shields, 3 viking's worth of volley deals 60 damage, 2 volleys starts eating HP. Naniwa could only dart in and out of combat with the Phoenix 5 times before the Phoenix died unless Naniwa killed a Viking in the meanwhile.
This isn't even a skill problem any more, its a math problem, and you sir just scored a solid 1 out of 10, seriously just think a bit before you post.
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it was 1-0 for Fraer
now 1-1, starting final game
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On June 18 2012 02:13 Sroobz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 02:11 Fusilero wrote:On June 18 2012 02:10 Sroobz wrote:On June 18 2012 02:08 Noocta wrote:On June 18 2012 02:07 Sroobz wrote:On June 18 2012 02:06 mememolly wrote:On June 18 2012 02:05 Sroobz wrote:
ZvT is now a terrible matchup. eh? most watchable mu in the game I haven't seen a good one in a couple months I miss Marines tanks against Mutalingbane with no Hive before 20min. Control was what make the main difference. THANK YOU! It was so much more exciting than greedy 3 base infestor to ultra or brood lord V RUSH TO 3/3 marines and hope to get a good position. I miss matches like jjakji vs leenock where leenock won with excellent mine using and engagements instead of just getting a few fungals. :/ It's boring now...I really hate this matchup now. TvT and TvP (without colossi) is much more exciting than the new ZvT
You joking right?? MKP vs DRG and Polt vs Stephano are one of the best games to watch even after the nerf.
ZvT is still the best match-up to watch.
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On June 18 2012 02:11 HotGlueGun wrote:
Terrans getting smashed everywhere. Taeja and Thorzain are the last hope!
I heared KeeN is 3-0 and didn't lost a map...
![[image loading]](http://tcpm.mrlazyinc.com/files/images/games/memes/gsl_mvp_keen_celebrate_1.gif)
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On June 18 2012 02:14 sleepingdog wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 02:13 covetousrat wrote:On June 18 2012 02:10 Fusilero wrote:On June 18 2012 02:07 Noocta wrote:On June 18 2012 02:06 Zane wrote:On June 18 2012 02:05 Sated wrote:
I'd say I feel sorry for Terrans, but now they know how the other two races have felt throughout GomTvT. Yeah, this is how a game should be balanced. Take turns at who's being OP. That's always been how Blizzard balance their games. When was undead's turn  . Lol Undead never saw the day they got buff until war3 died. Blade Master was so imba. funny thing is, I stopped playing before blade master was (re-)discovered...at that time everyone started with farseer - and orc always lost vs nightelf :/
Was that the buff with wind walk that make BM so good? Cant really remember.
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Wow Incontrol is a great caster! Him and Khaldor really work togehter well
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On June 18 2012 02:15 Derez wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 02:06 mememolly wrote:On June 18 2012 02:05 Sroobz wrote:
ZvT is now a terrible matchup. eh? most watchable mu in the game Compared to where it was 3 months ago, I don't think its a stretch to claim that it has gotten less watchable. The muta/ling/bling style is much more entertaining than the infestor style, which is much more entertaining than hive rushes. Over the last few months, the game has been switching more and more to the latter, making for less epic games. It might (or not) be more balanced now than it was, but from as a viewer I don't think recent changes have made the matchup more fun.
yeah I guess, the muta play was the awesome to watch, DRG still drops it now and again
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Cyto beat the Dragon, no wonder he also beat the lion cub. Is he the Others???
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On June 18 2012 02:16 Brow23 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 02:11 HotGlueGun wrote:
Terrans getting smashed everywhere. Taeja and Thorzain are the last hope! I heared KeeN is 3-0 and didn't lost a map...
? keen is 0-3 and hasnt won a map in this round
0-2 to naniwa
0-1 to adel
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On June 18 2012 02:10 Scootaloo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 02:06 Destructicon wrote:On June 18 2012 02:04 Scootaloo wrote:On June 18 2012 01:59 Destructicon wrote:On June 18 2012 01:52 Scootaloo wrote:On June 18 2012 01:49 SeaSwift wrote:On June 18 2012 01:47 Scootaloo wrote:On June 18 2012 01:43 SeaSwift wrote:On June 18 2012 01:42 Scootaloo wrote:On June 18 2012 01:38 SeaSwift wrote:
That was hilarious. Why the fuck did Keen take 2 extra Command Centers after holding off a 4gate? Utterly moronic. Because it's an MKP build, I believe often called the "eco-cheese", if he was gonna do it he shoulda scouted better for a prolonged attack. Just another silly thing you can do when you're buildings fly, an ability that Keen seems to be in love with. He should have scanned Naniwa's natural after holding off the pressure. Also, stop with the passive aggressive bullshit. Keen floated buildings to try and force a draw. Naniwa all-ined two games in a row. Neither are things this community likes. I said he shoulda scouted, no reason why you repeat me. Also it's not passive agressive, Keen was just playing shit tier that game with his floating buildings, lost it way before and could'nt do shit to get back in, shoulda done a proper gg instead of wasting 15 minutes of everyones time. All inning might have it's bias but wasting time is IMO a far greater crime, as unlike cheesing, it benefits noone. He had a pretty high chance of getting a draw, your accusation of "shit tier" is just outright wrong. Oh yeah, and that IS passive aggressive, whether it was a waste of time or not. Learn what passive agressive means, there's nothing passive about this. And you must be a complete idiot if you think that a draw was actually likely with naniwa being about 80 supply up. Terrans can't win everything brah. This ain't half a year ago. Actually, you are dead wrong regarding a draw. The draw happens in 5 in game minutes if no mining has occurred and no unit has been killed, and it is done automatically by the game, not by a referee. So "brah" get your facts straight, because if Keen had his SP or Barracks together with his 3 Vikings and kills/denies that Phoenix the would have forced a draw. And you believe that Naniwa completely zoning out for 5 minutes is a likely prospect? Also, Naniwa was consistently killing Keens units, buildings and even his own workers, only way he would've had a draw is if Naniwa had a heart attack. Brah. You fail to to see the big picture, there was a dead spot near Keen's base where the ground army can't hit from and only air units can attack. Naniwa would have killed every other building on the map then he would have been stuck for 5 minutes trying to kill 3 Vikings with 1 phoenix, and trying his best not to lose said Phoenix. Please learn your game and your maps next time... Yes, so if Naniwa had a brainfart and sacrificed his Phoenix he woulda lost? If he durped and killed his own buildings he woulda lost as well, both are not behavior you should expect from a pro, despite how much you wanted Keen to draw.
I don't think a phoenix can do damage to a viking out of 3 without taking hull damage. Not sure though. If so it was a draw if Keen had realised.
Also, more importantly, I think he though it was a draw already, as he didn't know Naniwa had money for a phoenix, so gging then would've been stupid. It also showed in how aggresive he played with his vikings. So raging against Keen is totally uncalled for.
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On June 18 2012 02:15 SarcasmMonster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 02:13 FatBat wrote:On June 18 2012 02:11 SarcasmMonster wrote:On June 18 2012 02:09 Zane wrote:On June 18 2012 02:08 iamthedave wrote:On June 18 2012 02:06 Zane wrote:On June 18 2012 02:05 Sated wrote:
I'd say I feel sorry for Terrans, but now they know how the other two races have felt throughout GomTvT. Yeah, this is how a game should be balanced. Take turns at who's being OP. There are no taking turns. MVP is consistently OP. Tbf it feels like they intend to nerf terran until Mvp can't win a GSL anymore.  getting buffed and/or  /  getting nerfed in the upcoming patch. I BELIEVE! I think there wont be a patch, they will balance it through hots. No balance patch for 6 months? Doubt it. Lemme message David Kim. Brb.
Okay. The next patch will reduce Queen range to 4 and increase Siege tank dmg vs armor to 55 so that they 3-shot stalkers. Good changes imo.
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On June 18 2012 02:16 Brow23 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 02:11 HotGlueGun wrote:
Terrans getting smashed everywhere. Taeja and Thorzain are the last hope! I heared KeeN is 3-0 and didn't lost a map...
well adel did just take game off him, and 0-2 to nani (but nani is code S legit)
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On June 18 2012 02:16 Brow23 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 02:11 HotGlueGun wrote:
Terrans getting smashed everywhere. Taeja and Thorzain are the last hope! I heared KeeN is 3-0 and didn't lost a map...
I heard ur wrong, since he lost to nani and is currently 0-1 against Adelscott.
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On June 18 2012 02:16 FakeDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 02:13 Sroobz wrote:On June 18 2012 02:11 Fusilero wrote:On June 18 2012 02:10 Sroobz wrote:On June 18 2012 02:08 Noocta wrote:On June 18 2012 02:07 Sroobz wrote:On June 18 2012 02:06 mememolly wrote:On June 18 2012 02:05 Sroobz wrote:
ZvT is now a terrible matchup. eh? most watchable mu in the game I haven't seen a good one in a couple months I miss Marines tanks against Mutalingbane with no Hive before 20min. Control was what make the main difference. THANK YOU! It was so much more exciting than greedy 3 base infestor to ultra or brood lord V RUSH TO 3/3 marines and hope to get a good position. I miss matches like jjakji vs leenock where leenock won with excellent mine using and engagements instead of just getting a few fungals. :/ It's boring now...I really hate this matchup now. TvT and TvP (without colossi) is much more exciting than the new ZvT You joking right?? MKP vs DRG and Polt vs Stephano are one of the best games to watch even after the nerf. ZvT is still the best match-up to watch.
Compare Polt vs Stephano before and after the patch, you can't tell me that it's gotten better.
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