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On June 18 2012 01:47 LimitSEA wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 01:46 emraaa wrote:On June 18 2012 01:44 Azarkon wrote:On June 18 2012 01:43 sdecker32 wrote:On June 18 2012 01:41 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On June 18 2012 01:40 Swords wrote:On June 18 2012 01:38 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Oh look Naniwa's cheesing against a good player. Shocking stuff. The casters will of course now pretend that Naniwa played really well and didn't just all in both games. Hahaha! You're still whining about Naniwa cheesing the guy who bunker rushed two games in a row because it was the only way he could possibly beat Squirtle in the GSL. Also, if Keen were good he would've held that 4 gate after getting 3 bunkers, he was greedy as shit and he blew it. (Note: I do realize Keen is very good) Except MVP can and does go toe to toe with anyone in a macro game, he uses cheese strategically. Naniwa just blind all in's in 80% of his games vs good players. When he does the same to Stephano later on you kids will be whining like crazy. Do you even watch Naniwas games? or just dislike him? He dislikes all players who aren't Korean. and praises all who are, including dragon lol Lol what's wrong with praising Dragon?
People aren't allowed to be fans of players I don't like.
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On June 18 2012 01:46 SarcasmMonster wrote:
I can't wait till Tournaments implement NR15 into their map pools
They're already doing that. Look at the new maps. Atlantis Spaceship, really?
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On June 18 2012 01:47 FakeDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 01:42 Sandermatt wrote:On June 18 2012 01:40 FakeDeath wrote:
Nothing much to say really.
Game 1: 2 base collosus all-in
Game 2: 4 Gate All-in against triple orbital plus teching Keen
No idea why the casters say the games are great. Game 1: Nearly a draw, a lot of tension over a long time if it will become a draw or not. Closes possible win for naniwa. one mineral trip less and the Game is drawn.Game 2: Keen fakes macro, but cheeses, then Naniwa fakes macro but cheeses. Then Keen does macro while Naniwa only fakes macro and in fact cheeses and wins the game. Game 1: Keen fucked that game hard. Had he kept his 3 vikings with his barracks at the bottom.He would have drawn that game. Game 2: Keen tried to fake expo but went for 3 rax aggression. Naniwa did the same fake expo and went 4 gate. Keen expanded. Naniwa proceed to blind 4 gate all-in Keen who was playing greedy triple orbital with factory tech. Naniwa plays to win and i respect that but i hate when casters says the games are fucking great when it is not.
These were very funny games. If all games were this way it would become boring, but this kind of games are rare in tournament play, therefore I liked the series.
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On June 18 2012 01:47 LimitSEA wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 01:46 emraaa wrote:On June 18 2012 01:44 Azarkon wrote:On June 18 2012 01:43 sdecker32 wrote:On June 18 2012 01:41 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On June 18 2012 01:40 Swords wrote:On June 18 2012 01:38 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Oh look Naniwa's cheesing against a good player. Shocking stuff. The casters will of course now pretend that Naniwa played really well and didn't just all in both games. Hahaha! You're still whining about Naniwa cheesing the guy who bunker rushed two games in a row because it was the only way he could possibly beat Squirtle in the GSL. Also, if Keen were good he would've held that 4 gate after getting 3 bunkers, he was greedy as shit and he blew it. (Note: I do realize Keen is very good) Except MVP can and does go toe to toe with anyone in a macro game, he uses cheese strategically. Naniwa just blind all in's in 80% of his games vs good players. When he does the same to Stephano later on you kids will be whining like crazy. Do you even watch Naniwas games? or just dislike him? He dislikes all players who aren't Korean. and praises all who are, including dragon lol Lol what's wrong with praising Dragon?
He's not very praiseworthy =p
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Sweatshops are pretty good for developing countries.
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On June 18 2012 01:46 OtoshimonoU wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 01:45 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:On June 18 2012 01:43 Derrida wrote:
Looking at the current groups, there are 5 groups out of 8 that have 3 of the same race in them. This means 3 of a certain matchup, and 3 mirror matches in a group.
I'm wondering what would everyone think about at least having 1 race of each in the groups to make it a better viewing experience for the spectators. I can't think of any side effects of this. Well, only 5T (with 13P and 14Z) make it through the ro32 so mass mirrors can't be avoided 5Terrans...
4 of them are koreans afaik ( Keen TaeJa Puma Dragon )
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On June 18 2012 01:45 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 01:44 SCST wrote:On June 18 2012 01:41 SeaSwift wrote:On June 18 2012 01:38 pak150 wrote:On June 18 2012 01:37 Dosey wrote:On June 18 2012 01:34 mememolly wrote:On June 18 2012 01:33 Dosey wrote:
Methinks naniwa can hear the casters I was wondering that Just seems odd... The troll hallucination and smiley face. The way he instantly reacted after they said keen was cheesing. iono gaizzzz Yeah I agree -- that was a bit weird. They should fix that after this set Yeah, it certainly seemed weird to me. Keen couldn't see the Stargate, the only reason to do that smiley face was to the viewers, and it looked pretty suspicious. I'm not normally the one to call cheating, but it was a very suspicious circumstance, especially considering he did exactly what the casters were recommending. If there was any way to hear the casters etc then other competitors, especially naniwa would have brought it up to DH by now. You know how anal these guys are about cheating or losing an advantage. Unless you're suggesting a massive foreigner conspiracy of course where everyone knows about it and doesn't say anything, in which case you're psychotic and should be committed. In addition, if Naniwa was cheating, would he be stupid enough to communicate with the audience during a match? Lol the rationale for some of these arguments . . . Naniwa's the player who watched the replay after the Nestea disconnect. Don't pretend he's an honest player.
I'm hardly a defender of Naniwa, more of a critic actually. However, do not attempt to equate replay-watching (which most players have done and do) when the rules were unclear, to cheating. Unstead of being a mindless automoton who tries to discredit people based on character or unrelated events, just admit the guy won fair and square. That's my real issue with the cheating accusations that "mysteriously" pop up after Naniwa beats Keen. Coincidence? I think not 
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Sooooo many Naniwa haters in here, lol. He played that amazingly, grow up.
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On June 18 2012 01:44 Chicane wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 01:43 Snusmumriken wrote:
When naniwa loses in gsl hes a shitty protoss who only knows lategame. When naniwa wins with early/midgame agression hes a shitty protoss who only knows all-ins. Consistency much? You're taking a large group of people, and saying that some thing that some people say is not consistent with some thing other people say. That doesn't make sense... different people don't need to be consistent with each other. That being said, I think all the whining and trash talking is ridiculous.
No I'm pointing out that people have no fucking clue what they're talking about and simply argues x/y based on player-bias and nothing else. Emotivism, heard about it?
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Fungal is sooooo strong vs roaches.
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On June 18 2012 01:47 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 01:45 Chrill wrote:On June 18 2012 01:43 eourcs wrote:On June 18 2012 01:42 Chrill wrote:On June 18 2012 01:38 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Oh look Naniwa's cheesing against a good player. Shocking stuff. The casters will of course now pretend that Naniwa played really well and didn't just all in both games. Eh, have you watched Nani play? He is more than capable beating Keen in macro games. That's why he decided to do a 2base allin on a map that favors protoss, and then another allin the following game. There can be several reasons he chose all ins. Maybe he's tired and want the day to be over, maybe he thinks Keen is weak against cheese or he just doesnt respect keen enough and thinks he's just much better. (I dont think it's the latter). Naniwa is a great macro player. I think the majority of his GSL wins for example are around the 20-25 minute mark. So stop hatin and educate yourself. hahaha don't make me laugh. Most of his GSL wins are PvP's for god's sake.
They show win % on time played for players and if I recall correctly I think he had high % in late game. Anyway. Point is, he's a great all-round player, no doubt about it. Not gonna waste more time debating it.
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On June 18 2012 01:44 The KY wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 01:42 IAMPRO wrote:
I like 99% of SC2 pros, i despise naniwa. I shouldn't be such a hater but he is such a tool I don't understand how he has fans. Great player though. He has fans because he's a great player. He made me a fan when I saw how last year his determination to get 1st and his utter disappointment in himself when he gets anything less.
Honestly, there are a lot of professional sports players that are huge huge douchebags in their personal life, talk shit all the time on the field, and generally act horribly. Compared to a lot of these guys (who have tons of fans - think Kobe Bryant or Ben Roethlisberger or Michael Vick - Ben accused of rape, Kobe cheating on his wife all the time, Vick murdering dogs, etc) Naniwa is pretty tame. On top of that it seems like he's been trying to improve his attitude.
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On June 18 2012 01:48 Zane wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 01:46 SarcasmMonster wrote:
I can't wait till Tournaments implement NR15 into their map pools They're already doing that. Look at the new maps. Atlantis Spaceship, really?
They've done it already in every EU weekly cup.
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On June 18 2012 01:47 Asymmetric wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 01:42 Chrill wrote:On June 18 2012 01:38 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Oh look Naniwa's cheesing against a good player. Shocking stuff. The casters will of course now pretend that Naniwa played really well and didn't just all in both games. Eh, have you watched Nani play? He is more than capable beating Keen in macro games. Ignore him. Both today and yesterdays threads were filled with his constant whining about every facet of this dreamhack so far.
Agreed just report and move on the guy is obviously a douchebag.
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On June 18 2012 01:47 Scootaloo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 01:43 SeaSwift wrote:On June 18 2012 01:42 Scootaloo wrote:On June 18 2012 01:38 SeaSwift wrote:
That was hilarious. Why the fuck did Keen take 2 extra Command Centers after holding off a 4gate? Utterly moronic. Because it's an MKP build, I believe often called the "eco-cheese", if he was gonna do it he shoulda scouted better for a prolonged attack. Just another silly thing you can do when you're buildings fly, an ability that Keen seems to be in love with. He should have scanned Naniwa's natural after holding off the pressure. Also, stop with the passive aggressive bullshit. Keen floated buildings to try and force a draw. Naniwa all-ined two games in a row. Neither are things this community likes. I said he shoulda scouted, no reason why you repeat me. Also it's not passive agressive, Keen was just playing shit tier that game with his floating buildings, lost it way before and could'nt do shit to get back in, shoulda done a proper gg instead of wasting 15 minutes of everyones time. All inning might have it's bias but wasting time is IMO a far greater crime, as unlike cheesing, it benefits noone.
He had a pretty high chance of getting a draw, your accusation of "shit tier" is just outright wrong. Oh yeah, and that IS passive aggressive, whether it was a waste of time or not.
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Why is twitch lagging so hardcore?
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I just tuned in. Khaldor plus Incontrol? That's all the muscle in the Esports world.
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On June 18 2012 01:48 Mozdk wrote:
Is this last day?
No its on tomorrow, too.
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On June 18 2012 01:49 Noocta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 01:46 OtoshimonoU wrote:On June 18 2012 01:45 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:On June 18 2012 01:43 Derrida wrote:
Looking at the current groups, there are 5 groups out of 8 that have 3 of the same race in them. This means 3 of a certain matchup, and 3 mirror matches in a group.
I'm wondering what would everyone think about at least having 1 race of each in the groups to make it a better viewing experience for the spectators. I can't think of any side effects of this. Well, only 5T (with 13P and 14Z) make it through the ro32 so mass mirrors can't be avoided 5Terrans... 4 of them are koreans afaik ( Keen TaeJa Puma Dragon )
Dragon got knocked out, must be BratOk and Thorzain
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On June 18 2012 01:47 manloveman wrote:
What is it with e-sports, especially sc2, that just crates these ultra polarizing figures. Destiny, Idra, Naniwa. I have never seen so much moronic abitrary flaming as in pretty much any LR thread, where any of those three play.
I actually think it adds to the experience. Atleast most of these guys really care about their heroes (including me, Im a Nani fanboy, and I will spew shit in the face of any idra fan)
It happens in all sports, not just SC2. See Real Madrid and Barcelona in football as an example.
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