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On May 31 2012 19:07 chipmonklord17 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 19:05 DrakeFZX3 wrote:On May 31 2012 19:04 RPR_Tempest wrote:On May 31 2012 19:03 Corrosive wrote:On May 31 2012 19:02 Thomanson wrote:
So, you can prevent it, if you're lucky or psychic. Gotcha. or if you do this thing called scouting Did you watch the game? TLO scouted the twilight council, the robo and the gates. He saw pretty much everything that went on. Which is unfortunate because TLO should've been able to prevent that if he had kept his lings in his main base. Prism wouldn't have been able to drop any sentries. And then you have the reverse situation, where the stalkers blink up first THEN the toss drops the sentries and you get the exact same situation. Lings in his main base would have been stalker food, simple as that
Hmmm, that is true... Blink in first could work
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On May 31 2012 19:06 ImNightmare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 19:04 tomatriedes wrote:On May 31 2012 19:02 ImNightmare wrote:On May 31 2012 19:00 tomatriedes wrote:
If that strategy is as imba as everyone claims, I'm sure we would see pros using it a lot more. I'm pretty sure burrow move roaches could deal with it pretty well. Just because its imba, doesn't mean every pros would use it. There are people who actually wants to win a legit game instead of depending on cheesy stuffs. Jinro being one example. And burrow move wouldn't come at 8 minutes into the game. -_- You really believe that? People play to win at pro level and will abuse a strat if it's abusable. Remember when almost every TvP was a 1-1-1? I am talking about some people who won't. And I even type out jinro as a example. Geez. you people don't read do you. I believe there are people who won't cheese/
You must have missed the game when Jinro bunker-blocked Idra's ramp on the old version of Metalopolis.
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On May 31 2012 19:05 casualman wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 19:04 Wroshe wrote:On May 31 2012 19:02 OlorinTheWise wrote:On May 31 2012 18:59 chipmonklord17 wrote:On May 31 2012 18:56 pdd wrote:On May 31 2012 18:54 ImNightmare wrote:
Fuck this strat, the timing is too short for zerg to react to and its way to advantageous for protoss without any set backs He saw the robo and his saw blink researching. He should have been more prepared in his main. Even if the Robo built an observer rather than a warp prism blink stalkers into the main was a possibility and he really should have stayed defensive for that. It's not as imbalanced as people think it is. 6-10 roaches in the main would have been sufficient. 6-10 roaches would not have come close to holding all those stalkers unless TLO immediately knew to target the sentries immediately. That would be the only way I could realistically see 6-10 roaches working, if he eliminates the FFs (baring the first, the first FF WILL go up. No matter what you do the first goes up) Even if you manage to target down the Sentries, he can just warp in more as needed with the Warp Prism once the Roach group has been killed. Unless the Protoss screws up, I really don't see how it would be held once it's in your base. o_O Combination of a lot of lings in your main with a good overloord coverage so you see the thing fly in. That's what you'll have to do. If you have units in the main he enters the natural, if reverse then other way around. If you have units in both he just kills your third, ffing the path to the third. It's like the ultimate lose/lose/lose scenario.
Oh I agree with you. The addition of threatening to blink your stalkers into the main makes the push a lot more dangerous. Having said that though considering the supply lead Zergs have at that point of the game if they go roaches means they can pretty much create 2 armies that can split and hold off for long enough; although it is a new bit of perfection that is required. Pretty much the opposite of what Protoss have to deal with when facing a 200/200 roach push.
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On May 31 2012 19:07 DrakeFZX3 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 19:07 chipmonklord17 wrote:On May 31 2012 19:05 DrakeFZX3 wrote:On May 31 2012 19:04 RPR_Tempest wrote:On May 31 2012 19:03 Corrosive wrote:On May 31 2012 19:02 Thomanson wrote:
So, you can prevent it, if you're lucky or psychic. Gotcha. or if you do this thing called scouting Did you watch the game? TLO scouted the twilight council, the robo and the gates. He saw pretty much everything that went on. Which is unfortunate because TLO should've been able to prevent that if he had kept his lings in his main base. Prism wouldn't have been able to drop any sentries. And then you have the reverse situation, where the stalkers blink up first THEN the toss drops the sentries and you get the exact same situation. Lings in his main base would have been stalker food, simple as that
That's true. It also doesn't help the fact that Tassadar scouted multiple times and knew what TLO was doing the whole time.
The entire problem snowballed when Tassadar was allowed to scout freely and do whatever he wanted.
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what the hell is going on taeja
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Hmm bit late on vikings and missed that observer :/
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On May 31 2012 19:06 ImNightmare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 19:04 tomatriedes wrote:On May 31 2012 19:02 ImNightmare wrote:On May 31 2012 19:00 tomatriedes wrote:
If that strategy is as imba as everyone claims, I'm sure we would see pros using it a lot more. I'm pretty sure burrow move roaches could deal with it pretty well. Just because its imba, doesn't mean every pros would use it. There are people who actually wants to win a legit game instead of depending on cheesy stuffs. Jinro being one example. And burrow move wouldn't come at 8 minutes into the game. -_- You really believe that? People play to win at pro level and will abuse a strat if it's abusable. Remember when almost every TvP was a 1-1-1? I am talking about some people who won't. And I even type out jinro as a example. Geez. you people don't read do you. I believe there are people who won't cheese/
I'm probabaly one of those "people who won't cheese".
Thats not because i have any moral quam's with cheesing. Its just i feel i have a higher % chance to win a game with a standard game then any form of "cheese". However tournament play is a totally different scenario then ladder play. If i was in a best of 7 the chances i'd do a cheese would be reasonable (pre planned for a specific map though).
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hmm sucks for tassadar hes only on 1 forge
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KristofferAG > I just noticed Taeja is mentionned has already loosing his match even it's just started.
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Whoever is updating the OP is a tassadarfan, already shows him winning this game 
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If Terrans learned to properly scan and kill observers consistently, I feel the entire outlook of the PvT matchup would change completely. So much of defending as Toss relies on obs, in PvT and PvZ, but more so PvT.
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It was TLOs mistake, he saw Tassadar try the same thing vs zenio & he scouts a robo, but he just misread what was happening and didn't prepare for the blink-stalker + prism combo. Talking about imbalance is rather stupid. A small mistake will cost you the game, but so will a misplaced zealot..
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protoss is soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo fucked
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Well.. Tassadar starts the nexus as the 3rd is saturated... now Tassardar is kinda ahead :/
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Taeja has a sick 2-2 timing he can hit now.
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On May 31 2012 19:09 mTwTT1 wrote:
hmm sucks for tassadar hes only on 1 forge
He's just getting his second forge now. Timing is good enough to catch up with Taeja.
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On May 31 2012 19:09 mTwTT1 wrote:
protoss is soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo fucked
Good.
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EPT
