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sc2superfan101
3583 Posts
On June 01 2012 07:19 polyphonyEX wrote: The sad thing about it is the realization that foreigners can't compete. naniwa is doing alright. i don't think foreigners can't compete, i just don't know if any of them are the cream of the crop yet. give it time. it's not genetics holding them back, just solid practice. recruiting players like Taeja and Hero can only help them, because it gives them very good practice partners. | ||
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Corsica
Ukraine1854 Posts
On May 31 2012 15:36 SenorChang wrote: go nshoseo ^_^ USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST | ||
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synaptik
Canada644 Posts
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NexUmbra
Scotland3776 Posts
On June 01 2012 10:04 synaptik wrote: liquid just needs to buy more koreans to have a shot next season. go the fxo route. Well FXO never bought Koreans except Oz, they acquired all the other ones because they took over fOu | ||
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Kluey
Canada1197 Posts
On June 01 2012 10:32 NexUmbra wrote: Well FXO never bought Koreans except Oz, they acquired all the other ones because they took over fOu They bought out fOu, hence buying Koreans. Liquid doesn't need to buy Korea. They have one of the strongest, if not THE strongest foreign line up. Two Code S players in Ro.8 and Ro.4... I don't think any other foreign team has accomplished that. And then, Liquid has sent their players to Korea more than any other team. They don't need more Koreans.. What they need is stronger foreigners. They have Ret and that's basically it in terms of top foreigners. Liquid needed to buy ThorZaIN rather than EG. ThorZaIN is nice, a strong player and a Terran. It's a perfect fit for Liquid. | ||
opterown
Australia54785 Posts
On June 01 2012 10:41 Kluey wrote: They bought out fOu, hence buying Koreans. Liquid doesn't need to buy Korea. They have one of the strongest, if not THE strongest foreign line up. Two Code S players in Ro.8 and Ro.4... I don't think any other foreign team has accomplished that. And then, Liquid has sent their players to Korea more than any other team. They don't need more Koreans.. What they need is stronger foreigners. They have Ret and that's basically it in terms of top foreigners. Liquid needed to buy ThorZaIN rather than EG. ThorZaIN is nice, a strong player and a Terran. It's a perfect fit for Liquid. uh, what? liquid's foreign lineup wasn't in the code s ro8 or ro4 last season...haha | ||
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MountainDewJunkie
United States10348 Posts
On June 01 2012 10:46 opterown wrote: uh, what? liquid's foreign lineup wasn't in the code s ro8 or ro4 last season...haha He's saying Hero (this season) and Jinro (you know, getting close to 2 years ago now) are the Ro4 and Ro8 code S players. Citing Jinro's success from 2010 (into early 2011?) makes a pretty suspicious argument  So yeah, what can you say, Jinro's ELO is 214th, Tyler is 350th, and Haypro is 537th. Think about how low that is! Even Sheth, who I think is pretty good, is still only 94th. If progamers are judged by winning (which is their job), then you have to call it like it is. I think Liquid was banking on some unexpected random performances from a foreigner while the Koreans for hire did all the heavy lifting. I expect Liquid to pick up more Koreans as they become available, but I don't see them, nor want them, to cut their bad players. And yes, bad is a adequate word. It's honest. I don't mean "underperforming" (no such things as year+ long slumps), they don't "show a lot of promise," or necessarily have "potential" ; they are bad right now. But Liquid has a tenuous position in.... ESPORSTS. They can't be both a community-first entity and ruthlessly push out players. Nony, Jinro, TLO, have a massive history with TL. I know very little of Nazgul, but from the few times actually posts, you can tell his not a money-grubbing victory-by-all-means man, and probably values friendships and history. And in my opinion, it would be pretty bad PR to cut the veterans. | ||
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ETisME
12898 Posts
On June 01 2012 11:06 MountainDewJunkie wrote: He's saying Hero (this season) and Jinro (you know, getting close to 2 years ago now) are the Ro4 and Ro8 code S players. Citing Jinro's success from 2010 (into early 2011?) makes a pretty suspicious argument So yeah, what can you say, Jinro's ELO is 214th, Tyler is 350th, and Haypro is 537th. Think about how low that is! Even Sheth, who I think is pretty good, is still only 94th. If progamers are judged by winning (which is their job), then you have to call it like it is. I think Liquid was banking on some unexpected random performances from a foreigner while the Koreans for hire did all the heavy lifting. I expect Liquid to pick up more Koreans as they become available, but I don't see them, nor want them, to cut their bad players. And yes, bad is a adequate word. It's honest. I don't mean "underperforming" (no such things as year+ long slumps), they don't "show a lot of promise," or necessarily have "potential" ; they are bad right now. But Liquid has a tenuous position in.... ESPORSTS. They can't be both a community-first entity and ruthlessly push out players. Nony, Jinro, TLO, have a massive history with TL. I know very little of Nazgul, but from the few times actually posts, you can tell his not a money-grubbing victory-by-all-means man, and probably values friendships and history. And in my opinion, it would be pretty bad PR to cut the veterans. unfortunately PR doesn't win their games, I am still not sure what they were trying to achieve in GSTL with this roster right now. They would be better off in foreign tournaments, much better performance against foreign teams | ||
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Whatson
United States5357 Posts
On June 01 2012 12:23 ETisME wrote: unfortunately PR doesn't win their games, I am still not sure what they were trying to achieve in GSTL with this roster right now. They would be better off in foreign tournaments, much better performance against foreign teams I'm suspicious about a potential deal with more Koreans in the mix...GSTL could be like a Korean PR stunt, get some individuals who don't have a team or who have shortening contracts thinking about joining. Although it would have benefited their cause, if that was it, to have actually had their foreigners win some games -.- | ||
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MountainDewJunkie
United States10348 Posts
On June 01 2012 12:26 Whatson wrote: I'm suspicious about a potential deal with more Koreans in the mix...GSTL could be like a Korean PR stunt, get some individuals who don't have a team or who have shortening contracts thinking about joining. Although it would have benefited their cause, if that was it, to have actually had their foreigners win some games -.- They probably should stick with foreign tourneys, but one twist on the SC2 scene I actually like is the number of koreans on foreign rosters. I mean the only true pure foreign team that was actually great was Mouz. But TL is a big name, they have the money, they're investing a lot in their players, how could they not enter the team in the world's top team league? | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On June 01 2012 11:06 MountainDewJunkie wrote: He's saying Hero (this season) and Jinro (you know, getting close to 2 years ago now) are the Ro4 and Ro8 code S players. Citing Jinro's success from 2010 (into early 2011?) makes a pretty suspicious argument So yeah, what can you say, Jinro's ELO is 214th, Tyler is 350th, and Haypro is 537th. Think about how low that is! Even Sheth, who I think is pretty good, is still only 94th. If progamers are judged by winning (which is their job), then you have to call it like it is. I think Liquid was banking on some unexpected random performances from a foreigner while the Koreans for hire did all the heavy lifting. I expect Liquid to pick up more Koreans as they become available, but I don't see them, nor want them, to cut their bad players. And yes, bad is a adequate word. It's honest. I don't mean "underperforming" (no such things as year+ long slumps), they don't "show a lot of promise," or necessarily have "potential" ; they are bad right now. But Liquid has a tenuous position in.... ESPORSTS. They can't be both a community-first entity and ruthlessly push out players. Nony, Jinro, TLO, have a massive history with TL. I know very little of Nazgul, but from the few times actually posts, you can tell his not a money-grubbing victory-by-all-means man, and probably values friendships and history. And in my opinion, it would be pretty bad PR to cut the veterans. Well, Hero is no foreigner  I don't think Liquid should purge its roster, since it has branded itself as a "family team", and such a move would instantly shatter that brand. | ||
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DownAnotherDay
Canada69 Posts
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Gonff
United States686 Posts
On June 01 2012 12:59 DownAnotherDay wrote: Screw everyone, I am proud of them for trying. Me too! I was really hoping for a Liquid victory as a birthday present, but I just got done watching the vods and the Hero wins were almost as good. Hopefully TL can continue to work hard and expand its Korean roster so the bench doesn't look quite so empty next season. Edit: By "Korean" I meant "players on their roster who are in Korea." I think they could stand to add one or two more Korean natives but it would also be great to see what Sheth or Ret could do there as well. | ||
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Rance
Canada18 Posts
On June 01 2012 12:59 DownAnotherDay wrote: Screw everyone, I am proud of them for trying. yeah I don't know why everyone is crying. Even the weakest Korean teams in the GSTL are pretty strong, no shame in losing | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17750 Posts
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KristofferAG
Norway25712 Posts
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ZeroSC2
Korea (South)668 Posts
On June 01 2012 15:20 Die4Ever wrote: NSHoSeo vs Zenex in about 3 hours!! Not sure why it isn't on the TL calendar...well here's a countdown http://www.gomtv.net/live/index.gom?conid=67546 yep, we need a live thread for this. More Life ownage incoming ! | ||
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KristofferAG
Norway25712 Posts
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