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CygnusAres
Profile Joined August 2011
Singapore893 Posts
May 31 2012 13:49 GMT
#2941
On May 31 2012 22:41 Proseat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2012 22:23 SkullZ9 wrote:
Why would SK want a partnership with Liquid when they have one with IM lol ?

Because MC used to be on oGs and is very good friends with his former teammates and the Liquid guys. He even cheered for them on Twitter before this match today:

Show nested quote +
장민철 ‏@sk__mc
today gstl liquid vs nsh cheer to liquid plz taeja zenio hero jinro haypro TLO im favorite players gogo liquids


Show nested quote +
On May 31 2012 22:25 doffe wrote:
If we add MC, Stc, Supernova, ForGG to TL rooster I dont see how its TL at all anymore and I dont see any reason at all to play Jinro/TLO/Haypro.

I prefer them losing with some old foreign TL players then winning with a bunch of bought Korean pros.


Well, I do not. And I wish people would stop with this nonsense of discriminating what countries players on a team are from. If the named foreigners want to play for the team, then they have to put out the results. If anything, this will bring the necessary motivation, maybe even be trained as certain snipers. It's not like they will be booted.

Team leagues are the future (Proleague anyone?) and thus Liquid will need to do whatever it takes to ensure the team wins. Bombing out in the first round of prestigious offline team tournaments such as GSTL every season just because you wanna hold up the foreigner flag, will just be embarassing and not help the cause.


I completely agree with you, Sir.
"I am the master of my fate, I am the captain of my soul" - Invictus. Favorite Players: TaeJa, Bogus, and Zest, Fighting!
Ancient-Hunter
Profile Joined June 2011
Korea (South)142 Posts
May 31 2012 13:52 GMT
#2942
TL needs to step up its recruiting if they wanna roll with the big boys (Korea)

Hero and taeja are great but more depth is needed.


man i bet Starcraft recruiting is fun!
Let's fly!
MetalPanda
Profile Joined April 2012
Canada1152 Posts
May 31 2012 13:54 GMT
#2943
Obviously you can't just perform everytime, it'll take a few tries I think before they maybe get out of a group. + they'll need Ret and Sheth, or at least Ret.
phiinix
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1169 Posts
May 31 2012 14:07 GMT
#2944
Hero saves them from another all-kill, *whew*. Was a good try from Liquid though, better gg next time!
FidoDido
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1292 Posts
May 31 2012 14:14 GMT
#2945
biggest winner was the poor bloke's friend who betted $500 against him that liquid would lose.
LGIMSeed FantasyToss~~ Hipster Seed fan before he made Code A
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
May 31 2012 14:47 GMT
#2946
Sooo many naysayers in this community. Not surprising at all that this thread would be full of people giving their opinion on changes Liquid should make after only two matches. Wait until the season is over and in the meantime just thank them for trying instead of fucking accusing them of focusing on publicity stunts and marketing. If you're calling jinro bad after seeing how close he was to qualifying for code A then sorry but you're unintelligent. I know everyone wants to make arguments and voice an opinion on the forums but maybe consider that sometimes it's too soon/you don't have enough information to draw sweeping conclusions.
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
May 31 2012 14:50 GMT
#2947
Surprising amount of antipathy towards TL on the forums and r/starcraft recently, which is definitely unfortunate. I guess too many people had unrealistic expectations, though admittedly it is easy to say such things in hindsight.

Thus ends this GSTL season for Liquid. I hope that they come back to compete again next season, but critically, they need to go all-in for this tournament next season, especially not with a shoe-string roster. You need to have guys like Hero, Taeja, Zenio, Sheth and Ret at every match. Relying on 1 or 2 players to defeat an entire team prepared to snipe them is simply an unrealistic expectation.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-31 15:17:43
May 31 2012 14:56 GMT
#2948
On May 31 2012 23:47 Doodsmack wrote:
Sooo many naysayers in this community. Not surprising at all that this thread would be full of people giving their opinion on changes Liquid should make after only two matches. Wait until the season is over and in the meantime just thank them for trying instead of fucking accusing them of focusing on publicity stunts and marketing. If you're calling jinro bad after seeing how close he was to qualifying for code A then sorry but you're unintelligent. I know everyone wants to make arguments and voice an opinion on the forums but maybe consider that sometimes it's too soon/you don't have enough information to draw sweeping conclusions.


Close to qualifying to Code A? He got a walkover and beat NEXMiso (a player who isn't even on the ZeNEX roster), then got destroyed by Choya.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
1ntrigue
Profile Joined May 2012
Australia948 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-31 15:02:50
May 31 2012 14:58 GMT
#2949
Personally, I really like the FXO model where they have a Korean base for their team, complete with management and other logistics. With that scenario, they can recruit upcoming Korean talent and actually form a team that lives together, trains together and prepares for team matches together. Most international teams have decentralised operations and it is really unfortunate, especially for team matches. The SC2 scene in Korea is just too professional and centralised compared to the international scene, making it an uphill battle for any international team to keep up.

Kudos to FXO for seeing this early, especially a couple years ago when SC2 was yet to take off in Korea, while the bubble was rapidly expanding internationally. FXO made a sensible, long-term focused decision while the SC2 scene was still extremely unpredictable. Quite amazing that the established e-sport organisations chased dodgy short-term hopes and dreams while a finance company found the right path instead.
NexUmbra
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Scotland3776 Posts
May 31 2012 15:12 GMT
#2950
On May 31 2012 23:58 1ntrigue wrote:
Personally, I really like the FXO model where they have a Korean base for their team, complete with management and other logistics. With that scenario, they can recruit upcoming Korean talent and actually form a team that lives together, trains together and prepares for team matches together. Most international teams have decentralised operations and it is really unfortunate, especially for team matches. The SC2 scene in Korea is just too professional and centralised compared to the international scene, making it an uphill battle for any international team to keep up.

Kudos to FXO for seeing this early, especially [b]a couple years ago[b] when SC2 was yet to take off in Korea, while the bubble was rapidly expanding internationally. FXO made a sensible, long-term focused decision while the SC2 scene was still extremely unpredictable. Quite amazing that the established e-sport organisations chased dodgy short-term hopes and dreams while a finance company found the right path instead.


They didn't move in until last ;p it was announced that they were going 368 days ago so its not a couple of years.
Life has won two GSLs and a Blizzard Cup. NOT three GSLs.
dubRa
Profile Joined December 2008
2165 Posts
May 31 2012 15:20 GMT
#2951
On May 31 2012 23:47 Doodsmack wrote:
Sooo many naysayers in this community. Not surprising at all that this thread would be full of people giving their opinion on changes Liquid should make after only two matches. Wait until the season is over and in the meantime just thank them for trying instead of fucking accusing them of focusing on publicity stunts and marketing. If you're calling jinro bad after seeing how close he was to qualifying for code A then sorry but you're unintelligent. I know everyone wants to make arguments and voice an opinion on the forums but maybe consider that sometimes it's too soon/you don't have enough information to draw sweeping conclusions.


Have you every been on a sports forum? You can see the same passion as here. The future of esports is when people care and the fans are really emotional. Just like real sports.
Woj
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States133 Posts
May 31 2012 15:23 GMT
#2952
GGs TL! Fighting! Always room for improvement, even competing is a victory in itself =D
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
May 31 2012 15:25 GMT
#2953
On May 31 2012 23:58 1ntrigue wrote:
Personally, I really like the FXO model where they have a Korean base for their team, complete with management and other logistics. With that scenario, they can recruit upcoming Korean talent and actually form a team that lives together, trains together and prepares for team matches together. Most international teams have decentralised operations and it is really unfortunate, especially for team matches. The SC2 scene in Korea is just too professional and centralised compared to the international scene, making it an uphill battle for any international team to keep up.

Kudos to FXO for seeing this early, especially a couple years ago when SC2 was yet to take off in Korea, while the bubble was rapidly expanding internationally. FXO made a sensible, long-term focused decision while the SC2 scene was still extremely unpredictable. Quite amazing that the established e-sport organisations chased dodgy short-term hopes and dreams while a finance company found the right path instead.



Imagine that, a finance company with very deep pockets can afford to outright buy an existing Korean team and not make any changes to it. Shame on other esports organizations for not being able to afford that.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
May 31 2012 15:26 GMT
#2954
On May 31 2012 23:56 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2012 23:47 Doodsmack wrote:
Sooo many naysayers in this community. Not surprising at all that this thread would be full of people giving their opinion on changes Liquid should make after only two matches. Wait until the season is over and in the meantime just thank them for trying instead of fucking accusing them of focusing on publicity stunts and marketing. If you're calling jinro bad after seeing how close he was to qualifying for code A then sorry but you're unintelligent. I know everyone wants to make arguments and voice an opinion on the forums but maybe consider that sometimes it's too soon/you don't have enough information to draw sweeping conclusions.


Close to qualifying to Code A? He got a walkover and beat NEXMiso (a player who isn't even on the ZeNEX roster), then got destroyed by Choya.


Um no, he was on the verge of beating Choya and simply let his advantage slip away in the game. Nice try though.
Kergy
Profile Joined December 2010
Peru2011 Posts
May 31 2012 15:32 GMT
#2955
On June 01 2012 00:26 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2012 23:56 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On May 31 2012 23:47 Doodsmack wrote:
Sooo many naysayers in this community. Not surprising at all that this thread would be full of people giving their opinion on changes Liquid should make after only two matches. Wait until the season is over and in the meantime just thank them for trying instead of fucking accusing them of focusing on publicity stunts and marketing. If you're calling jinro bad after seeing how close he was to qualifying for code A then sorry but you're unintelligent. I know everyone wants to make arguments and voice an opinion on the forums but maybe consider that sometimes it's too soon/you don't have enough information to draw sweeping conclusions.


Close to qualifying to Code A? He got a walkover and beat NEXMiso (a player who isn't even on the ZeNEX roster), then got destroyed by Choya.


Um no, he was on the verge of beating Choya and simply let his advantage slip away in the game. Nice try though.


That still means he got destroyed, much like his matches against Hoseo and Zenex
Everyday Girl's Day~!
RavenLoud
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada1100 Posts
May 31 2012 15:34 GMT
#2956
Not sure if it had been pointed out, but the spoiler free result section has game 3 has Tassader vs. TLO instead of Taeja.
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-31 16:02:33
May 31 2012 15:56 GMT
#2957
On June 01 2012 00:26 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2012 23:56 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On May 31 2012 23:47 Doodsmack wrote:
Sooo many naysayers in this community. Not surprising at all that this thread would be full of people giving their opinion on changes Liquid should make after only two matches. Wait until the season is over and in the meantime just thank them for trying instead of fucking accusing them of focusing on publicity stunts and marketing. If you're calling jinro bad after seeing how close he was to qualifying for code A then sorry but you're unintelligent. I know everyone wants to make arguments and voice an opinion on the forums but maybe consider that sometimes it's too soon/you don't have enough information to draw sweeping conclusions.


Close to qualifying to Code A? He got a walkover and beat NEXMiso (a player who isn't even on the ZeNEX roster), then got destroyed by Choya.


Um no, he was on the verge of beating Choya and simply let his advantage slip away in the game. Nice try though.


Last time I recall you have to win a BO3 to advance (you know, WIN GAMES), not just have an "advantage" in one game. If that's the only leg you have to support Jinro then he wasn't close to getting out at all. Even if we chalk up his loss to Life as ending up on the wrong side of the gamble, he has not shown the results to suggest he can hang with standard Code A opponents.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-31 16:10:54
May 31 2012 16:09 GMT
#2958
On June 01 2012 00:56 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2012 00:26 Doodsmack wrote:
On May 31 2012 23:56 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On May 31 2012 23:47 Doodsmack wrote:
Sooo many naysayers in this community. Not surprising at all that this thread would be full of people giving their opinion on changes Liquid should make after only two matches. Wait until the season is over and in the meantime just thank them for trying instead of fucking accusing them of focusing on publicity stunts and marketing. If you're calling jinro bad after seeing how close he was to qualifying for code A then sorry but you're unintelligent. I know everyone wants to make arguments and voice an opinion on the forums but maybe consider that sometimes it's too soon/you don't have enough information to draw sweeping conclusions.


Close to qualifying to Code A? He got a walkover and beat NEXMiso (a player who isn't even on the ZeNEX roster), then got destroyed by Choya.


Um no, he was on the verge of beating Choya and simply let his advantage slip away in the game. Nice try though.


Last time I recall you have to win a BO3 to advance (you know, WIN GAMES), not just have an "advantage" in one game. If that's the only leg you have to support Jinro then he wasn't close to getting out at all. Even if we chalk up his loss to Life as ending up on the wrong side of the gamble, he has not shown the results to suggest he can hang with standard Code A opponents.



It was game 3, bud. Clearly you made that claim without having a damn clue whether it was true LOL. If only we could always make stuff up to bolster our arguments.
polyphonyEX
Profile Joined May 2012
United States2539 Posts
May 31 2012 16:10 GMT
#2959
Tassadar is so good <3
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
May 31 2012 16:12 GMT
#2960
On June 01 2012 00:32 Kergy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2012 00:26 Doodsmack wrote:
On May 31 2012 23:56 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On May 31 2012 23:47 Doodsmack wrote:
Sooo many naysayers in this community. Not surprising at all that this thread would be full of people giving their opinion on changes Liquid should make after only two matches. Wait until the season is over and in the meantime just thank them for trying instead of fucking accusing them of focusing on publicity stunts and marketing. If you're calling jinro bad after seeing how close he was to qualifying for code A then sorry but you're unintelligent. I know everyone wants to make arguments and voice an opinion on the forums but maybe consider that sometimes it's too soon/you don't have enough information to draw sweeping conclusions.


Close to qualifying to Code A? He got a walkover and beat NEXMiso (a player who isn't even on the ZeNEX roster), then got destroyed by Choya.


Um no, he was on the verge of beating Choya and simply let his advantage slip away in the game. Nice try though.


That still means he got destroyed, much like his matches against Hoseo and Zenex



You call that result in game 3 "destroyed". Sorry to be blunt but you're not smart.
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