EPT[GSTL] S2 R1 Group A Losers' Match - Page 147
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CygnusAres
Singapore893 Posts
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Jarree
Finland1004 Posts
 Well I'm glad TL entered to GSTL, you can't win every time. | ||
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rysecake
United States2632 Posts
On May 31 2012 21:16 TBO wrote: Liquid won NASTL and was highest finishing foreigner team in IPL with losing twice 4-5 to korean teams. do you honestly think any other foreign team would have done better necessarily? So unless you are advocating that TL should become a purely korean team... That is what you must do if you want to win. Harsh truth. | ||
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adi_hsd
Romania74 Posts
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xXFireandIceXx
Canada4296 Posts
On May 31 2012 21:46 CygnusAres wrote: When you have huge fanbase, you should at least win or make it close, not being all-killed... I dunno about you, but I thank TL for taking the risk and challenge of going into the GSTL. They're obviously trying so I wish them the best of luck! | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
On May 31 2012 21:44 Sideburn wrote: I honestly don't think that Team Liquid even intended to do well in the GSTL though. They don't seem to be about fantastic results. In fact, foreign teams in general seem to be more about building up the persona, fanbase, and marketability of players rather than breeding top level skill. I'm not criticising this, it's a much easier model for foreign teams and it seems to give them decent results. Yes, it's what I'm feeling as well from Liquid and other foreign teams. However, I like to believe that in the future, being charismatic as a player will be a bonus to your immense skill at Starcraft (as it was the case for Kespa BW players), not the other way around. I don't see "speaking in talk shows", "having a cool hairstyle", "trash talking any opponent you cross paths with" or "messing around in platinum trolling newbies" as sustainable ways of a progamer. Eventually people start to criticize when you don't show any result, while they just can't blame you for being boring if you're the best player in the world. I mean, MVP could be the most boring dude ever, he would still be cool just because he has 4 motherfucking GSL titles... | ||
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s4life
Peru1519 Posts
On May 31 2012 21:16 TBO wrote: Liquid won NASTL and was highest finishing foreigner team in IPL with losing twice 4-5 to korean teams. do you honestly think any other foreign team would have done better necessarily? So unless you are advocating that TL should become a purely korean team... It's just bad luck.. I'd say wait for the next season before making changes. TL has a very competitive team, even oGs got all-killed by Fenix and IM by QxC in GSTL. | ||
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xXFireandIceXx
Canada4296 Posts
On May 31 2012 21:52 s4life wrote: It's just bad luck.. I'd say wait for the next season before making changes. TL has a very competitive team, even oGs got all-killed by Fenix and IM by QxC in GSTL. I htink people just expected a tad too much from TL in their first GSTL appearance | ||
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bokchoi
Korea (South)9498 Posts
On May 31 2012 21:52 s4life wrote: It's just bad luck.. I'd say wait for the next season before making changes. TL has a very competitive team, even oGs got all-killed by Fenix and IM by QxC in GSTL. Fenix didn't all kill, and had been training with IM previous to that performance. Also, qxc played the IM C-Team and got really lucky vs MVP (he said it himself) | ||
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nadafanboy42
Netherlands209 Posts
On May 31 2012 21:51 xXFireandIceXx wrote: I dunno about you, but I thank TL for taking the risk and challenge of going into the GSTL. They're obviously trying so I wish them the best of luck! Me too. I think it was awesome of Liquid just to try. I do hope that if they do this again in a future season, they try really hard to get Sheth and Ret to come over. I think Liquid would do a lot better if they just said "okay, we're just going to go to Korea for a few months as a team and focus only on GSTL". Either way hopefully it'll end up like TLO said, a great team-building experience to motivate everyone for the future.  | ||
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Durp
Canada3117 Posts
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SkullZ9
Belgium2048 Posts
But you forget that theese players are not on the current foreigner top level too... Sorry, I have nothing against him, but Jinro is bad. When was the last time he had good results, even in foreign tourneys ? TLO is quite the same, even though he had shown recent progress. Haypro, except his good run @ MLG providence, has always been bad in sc2 sorry. But don't generalize it by saying that foreigners are bad... If they go to MLG, theese players have no chance, even if there is zero korean. | ||
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Sc2eleazar
United States70 Posts
Perhaps that's why HuK is my current favorite player. He's a foreigner that's able to step up against Koreans and take some big wins. I think if a few more of the TL foreigners could reach that level they would find their fanbase explode. tl,dr: I like rooting for the underdogs, I like rooting for foreigners; TL has some guys I would love to root for but they need to put up some results first. | ||
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Proseat
Germany5113 Posts
Since TL and oGs have always been close and seeing how a new oGs has not reformed (VINES and Lure even gone to different teams), it would be a good idea to add at least SuperNova and TheStc, possibly even Fin (a.k.a. ForGG) if it's financially possible. That would bolster the terran side tremendously and counterbalance the many Zergs on the team. Also try to win over former oGs coach TheWind as Liquid's Korean coach on site. And for upcoming team league seasons partner with SK to be able to field former oGs member MC as another strong Protoss along with HerO. Then Liquid could make a real splash in team leagues and the foreigners will have less pressure on them plus could improve by example. I guess money is the key here. | ||
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doffe
Sweden636 Posts
Certinly a player that can do both styles are better then one locked into a single one. | ||
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SkullZ9
Belgium2048 Posts
On May 31 2012 22:18 Proseat wrote: Assuming Liquid will want to continue to have a strong presence in Korea, I think the following adjustments would be helpful for future endeavors: Since TL and oGs have always been close and seeing how a new oGs has not reformed (VINES and Lure even gone to different teams), it would be a good idea to add at least SuperNova and TheStc, possibly even Fin (a.k.a. ForGG) if it's financially possible. That would bolster the terran side tremendously and counterbalance the many Zergs on the team. Also try to win over former oGs coach TheWind as Liquid's Korean coach on site. And for upcoming team league seasons partner with SK to be able to field former oGs member MC as another strong Protoss along with HerO. Then Liquid could make a real splash in team leagues and the foreigners will have less pressure on them plus could improve by example. I guess money is the key here. Why would SK want a partnership with Liquid when they have one with IM lol ? | ||
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doffe
Sweden636 Posts
On May 31 2012 22:18 Proseat wrote: Assuming Liquid will want to continue to have a strong presence in Korea, I think the following adjustments would be helpful for future endeavors: Since TL and oGs have always been close and seeing how a new oGs has not reformed (VINES and Lure even gone to different teams), it would be a good idea to add at least SuperNova and TheStc, possibly even Fin (a.k.a. ForGG) if it's financially possible. That would bolster the terran side tremendously and counterbalance the many Zergs on the team. Also try to win over former oGs coach TheWind as Liquid's Korean coach on site. And for upcoming team league seasons partner with SK to be able to field former oGs member MC as another strong Protoss along with HerO. Then Liquid could make a real splash in team leagues and the foreigners will have less pressure on them plus could improve by example. I guess money is the key here. If we add MC, Stc, Supernova, ForGG to TL rooster I dont see how its TL at all anymore and I dont see any reason at all to play Jinro/TLO/Haypro. I prefer them losing with some old foreign TL players then winning with a bunch of bought Korean pros. | ||
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Devise
Canada1131 Posts
On May 31 2012 20:44 Thomanson wrote: EG ahead in the dickish fan count? Yup. Win by a landslide. Ironically that was kind of dickish | ||
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
On May 31 2012 22:25 doffe wrote: If we add MC, Stc, Supernova, ForGG to TL rooster I dont see how its TL at all anymore and I dont see any reason at all to play Jinro/TLO/Haypro. I prefer them losing with some old foreign TL players then winning with a bunch of bought Korean pros. That's fine, but then they shouldn't be in the GSTL. TL really need to sort out its identify - is it a team of friends, or is it one of the best teams in the world? It just happened to formerly be both, but their team skill level have not improved as quickly as the rest of the top teams. I'm not advocating adding the former oGs members, but the sad truth is that Jinro/TLO/Haypro are simply not competitive at the top level and have not been for a while. | ||
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Proseat
Germany5113 Posts
On May 31 2012 22:23 SkullZ9 wrote: Why would SK want a partnership with Liquid when they have one with IM lol ? Because MC used to be on oGs and is very good friends with his former teammates and the Liquid guys. He even cheered for them on Twitter before this match today: 장민철 @sk__mc today gstl liquid vs nsh cheer to liquid plz taeja zenio hero jinro haypro TLO im favorite players gogo liquids On May 31 2012 22:25 doffe wrote: If we add MC, Stc, Supernova, ForGG to TL rooster I dont see how its TL at all anymore and I dont see any reason at all to play Jinro/TLO/Haypro. I prefer them losing with some old foreign TL players then winning with a bunch of bought Korean pros. Well, I do not. And I wish people would stop with this nonsense of discriminating what countries players on a team are from. If the named foreigners want to play for the team, then they have to put out the results. If anything, this will bring the necessary motivation, maybe even be trained as certain snipers. It's not like they will be booted. Team leagues are the future (Proleague anyone?) and thus Liquid will need to do whatever it takes to ensure the team wins. Bombing out in the first round of prestigious offline team tournaments such as GSTL every season just because you wanna hold up the foreigner flag, will just be embarassing and not help the cause. | ||
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