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Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
May 31 2012 12:09 GMT
#2901
On May 31 2012 21:07 ES.Genie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2012 21:05 GreyKnight wrote:
On May 31 2012 21:00 TBO wrote:
not the best performance but TSL lost last season 1-5 and 2-5 as well (vs NSH and IM). Better luck next try.


nshoseo got all killed last season too

Getting all-killed by Bomber is something completely different than almost getting all-killed by Tassadar.

and also by MKP
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Proseat
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Germany5113 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-31 12:10:14
May 31 2012 12:09 GMT
#2902
The next season of GSTL will be in... what... 3 months? Let's see if Liquid can even keep the current roster in Korea until then if one or two foreigners decide to leave and go back to their home countries. IMO, until you have a proper coach present and a team with at least 8-9 permanent players who really practice hard, I don't think you will ever make it far in GSTL. Liquid should seriously consider looking into a cooperation with another team again.
The Rise and Fall of SlayerS -- a timeline: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=378097
CDR
Profile Joined April 2011
Poland84 Posts
May 31 2012 12:13 GMT
#2903
Liquid should consider changing their lineup by removing uselss players and getting someone who is actually skilled.
joen05
Profile Joined July 2011
United States126 Posts
May 31 2012 12:15 GMT
#2904
Was hoping for a better result than this, hopefully some good practice in Korea gets some of these foreign TL guys in better form. I'm glad that Liquid participated, but I expected them to have better results.... keep fighting boys.
Team Liquid | HerO | NonY | TLO | Sheth | Ret | Zenio | Taeja | Sea ||| Never Forget: Jinro | HayprO |||
TBO
Profile Joined September 2009
Germany1350 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-31 12:17:38
May 31 2012 12:16 GMT
#2905
On May 31 2012 21:13 CDR wrote:
Liquid should consider changing their lineup by removing uselss players and getting someone who is actually skilled.


Liquid won NASTL and was highest finishing foreigner team in IPL with losing twice 4-5 to korean teams. do you honestly think any other foreign team would have done better necessarily? So unless you are advocating that TL should become a purely korean team...
ladyumbra
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada1699 Posts
May 31 2012 12:20 GMT
#2906
On May 31 2012 21:09 Proseat wrote:
The next season of GSTL will be in... what... 3 months? Let's see if Liquid can even keep the current roster in Korea until then if one or two foreigners decide to leave and go back to their home countries. IMO, until you have a proper coach present and a team with at least 8-9 permanent players who really practice hard, I don't think you will ever make it far in GSTL. Liquid should seriously consider looking into a cooperation with another team again.


Liquid + idk.. Prime? I sort of like that liquid is fighting things out on their own, it makes for an interesting sort of storyline you know. Either way this wasn't the worst they could have done and I really think it will be a learning experience for the team.
Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
May 31 2012 12:21 GMT
#2907
On May 31 2012 21:13 CDR wrote:
Liquid should consider changing their lineup by removing uselss players and getting someone who is actually skilled.

I applaud them for entering the GSTL ring. Things were quite hectic for them before, branching out and setting up their own place etc. TLO is already showing great promise of improvement. Team bonding from this is a neat experience for the players, not so much the viewers. I think next season will show better results.

I do agree though, they need a bigger roster. I'm sure they will give us at least another person to cheer for before the next.
Aunvilgod
Profile Joined December 2011
2653 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-31 12:25:46
May 31 2012 12:21 GMT
#2908
On May 31 2012 21:16 TBO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2012 21:13 CDR wrote:
Liquid should consider changing their lineup by removing uselss players and getting someone who is actually skilled.


Liquid won NASTL and was highest finishing foreigner team in IPL with losing twice 4-5 to korean teams. do you honestly think any other foreign team would have done better necessarily? So unless you are advocating that TL should become a purely korean team...


Seems like in the end it comes down to foreigners needing to practise as much as the koreans...
... again.

If Liquid partners with another team it should be Fnatic. The only way we would possibly get to see foreigners.
ilovegroov | Blizzards mapmaker(s?) suck ass | #1 Protoss hater
Aunvilgod
Profile Joined December 2011
2653 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-31 12:25:34
May 31 2012 12:25 GMT
#2909
Holy shit you guys are slow, sry for the double post
ilovegroov | Blizzards mapmaker(s?) suck ass | #1 Protoss hater
Proseat
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Germany5113 Posts
May 31 2012 12:28 GMT
#2910
On May 31 2012 21:21 Irave wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2012 21:13 CDR wrote:
Liquid should consider changing their lineup by removing uselss players and getting someone who is actually skilled.

I applaud them for entering the GSTL ring. Things were quite hectic for them before, branching out and setting up their own place etc. TLO is already showing great promise of improvement. Team bonding from this is a neat experience for the players, not so much the viewers. I think next season will show better results.

I do agree though, they need a bigger roster. I'm sure they will give us at least another person to cheer for before the next.

Ideal would be if they added SuperNova and TheStc to the roster and maybe get SK (a.k.a. MC) to partner with them for the next season. Then things would look much better in GSTL. A coach -- possibly even fluent in Korean -- to be there, analyze, and cheer them on would also be a good thing. That or partner with a Korean team again.
The Rise and Fall of SlayerS -- a timeline: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=378097
CDR
Profile Joined April 2011
Poland84 Posts
May 31 2012 12:28 GMT
#2911
On May 31 2012 21:16 TBO wrote:
Liquid won NASTL and was highest finishing foreigner team in IPL with losing twice 4-5 to korean teams. do you honestly think any other foreign team would have done better necessarily? So unless you are advocating that TL should become a purely korean team...

Do you mean IPL Team Arena by saying "IPL"? Highest finishing foreigner team (with only foreigners playing) was Mouz, 2nd place.
NASTL? 3-2 vs mouz in the final. KR team vs non KR team.

You missed my point, current foreign TL lineup is terrible (except Sheth and Ret) and it ain't gonna change.
FakeDeath
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia6060 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-31 12:29:26
May 31 2012 12:29 GMT
#2912
On May 31 2012 21:21 Aunvilgod wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2012 21:16 TBO wrote:
On May 31 2012 21:13 CDR wrote:
Liquid should consider changing their lineup by removing uselss players and getting someone who is actually skilled.


Liquid won NASTL and was highest finishing foreigner team in IPL with losing twice 4-5 to korean teams. do you honestly think any other foreign team would have done better necessarily? So unless you are advocating that TL should become a purely korean team...


Seems like in the end it comes down to foreigners needing to practise as much as the koreans...
... again.

If Liquid partners with another team it should be Fnatic. The only way we would possibly get to see foreigners.


You are wrong.We won't even see a foreigner come out at all if they do a partnership.
Want to know why?

Fnatic: Alive,Oz,Byul
TL : Zenio,Hero,Taeja

Now you know.
Technically,it will be Koreans vs Koreans although TL and Fnatic is a foreign team.
Play your best
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-31 12:31:49
May 31 2012 12:31 GMT
#2913
nvm someone already posted it
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Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
May 31 2012 12:33 GMT
#2914
On May 31 2012 21:16 TBO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2012 21:13 CDR wrote:
Liquid should consider changing their lineup by removing uselss players and getting someone who is actually skilled.


Liquid won NASTL and was highest finishing foreigner team in IPL with losing twice 4-5 to korean teams. do you honestly think any other foreign team would have done better necessarily? So unless you are advocating that TL should become a purely korean team...


They don't necessarily have to do better results wise, but it would help if their players actually showed up in Korea (preferably a few weeks before the matches), if Nazgul and Bumblebee showed up instead of talking over Skype (lol), if they didn't stream for days before the first match, if they didn't play showmatches in between the two GSTL matchdays, even if they skipped Code A qualifiers if they weren't ready for ZeNEX. It's like 10-15 days of their lives/careers, if they can't even give that much actively practicing 12 hours a day only for GSTL, a team with a much worse lineup could have done better if they committed to it.

THEN they can get all-killed twice, I don't care, losing happens and it's perfectly natural.

They're playing in the most prestigious team league in the world, and the only one that even matters. It's probably the most significant event in their careers so far (except maybe for HerO), and it certainly was for the team. It's like getting a chance to play in Proleague and blowing it by not even taking it seriously on top of being the underdog.

Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
May 31 2012 12:37 GMT
#2915
On May 31 2012 21:28 Proseat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2012 21:21 Irave wrote:
On May 31 2012 21:13 CDR wrote:
Liquid should consider changing their lineup by removing uselss players and getting someone who is actually skilled.

I applaud them for entering the GSTL ring. Things were quite hectic for them before, branching out and setting up their own place etc. TLO is already showing great promise of improvement. Team bonding from this is a neat experience for the players, not so much the viewers. I think next season will show better results.

I do agree though, they need a bigger roster. I'm sure they will give us at least another person to cheer for before the next.

Ideal would be if they added SuperNova and TheStc to the roster and maybe get SK (a.k.a. MC) to partner with them for the next season. Then things would look much better in GSTL. A coach -- possibly even fluent in Korean -- to be there, analyze, and cheer them on would also be a good thing. That or partner with a Korean team again.

Those would be great pickups, the friendship between oGs and TL would likely make that work. Though I do believe TL is respecting and cheering for oGs to be able to start over. If that looks grim down the road, I'd easily buy into them picking at least one of them up. Add TheWind as coach and have a happy time. I don't want to see them regress and have to partner with anyone, even if it is just MC.
Quotidian
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway1937 Posts
May 31 2012 12:37 GMT
#2916
On May 31 2012 21:08 HarryKlein wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2012 21:05 m0ck wrote:
Judging the foreign scene on players who are mid-level in the EU/NA scene doesn't really make sense. For whatever reason TL has decided to hire mediocre foreigners (Ret is the exception) and excellent Koreans. It's a shame that TL has not done more in order to develop promising young players in the foreign scene, but it is what it is.


+1

The problem with ret is, that everyone says that he is not practicing that much.
And imo he would be the underdog against every Code A/S player in a tournament.


every TL team member made sense at the time they were picked up, but unfortunately very few of them have fulfilled their potential and developed into really solid, competitive players. I don't understand how Nony for instance is still on the team, but then I have zero insight into how the team is managed or what their goals are.. but this GSTL showing did more harm than good, in my opinion
CygnusAres
Profile Joined August 2011
Singapore893 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-31 12:41:09
May 31 2012 12:39 GMT
#2917
Well it will be 3 months later, still kinda long, but of course, the earlier a decision is made is the better. Players will have chance to practice and assess each other.

I personally think Liquid should get more skilled players who can live at the team house, not another "words play trying to hide their slumps" players. Not being offensive here, but sometimes you need to learn the "hard truth".

Oh, comparing NASTL which is online against GSTL, that's irrelevant.

For partnership.., how about TLPrime?... Silly me.

Peace.
"I am the master of my fate, I am the captain of my soul" - Invictus. Favorite Players: TaeJa, Bogus, and Zest, Fighting!
KvltMan
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Sweden1609 Posts
May 31 2012 12:40 GMT
#2918
On May 31 2012 21:33 Talin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2012 21:16 TBO wrote:
On May 31 2012 21:13 CDR wrote:
Liquid should consider changing their lineup by removing uselss players and getting someone who is actually skilled.


Liquid won NASTL and was highest finishing foreigner team in IPL with losing twice 4-5 to korean teams. do you honestly think any other foreign team would have done better necessarily? So unless you are advocating that TL should become a purely korean team...


They don't necessarily have to do better results wise, but it would help if their players actually showed up in Korea (preferably a few weeks before the matches), if Nazgul and Bumblebee showed up instead of talking over Skype (lol), if they didn't stream for days before the first match, if they didn't play showmatches in between the two GSTL matchdays, even if they skipped Code A qualifiers if they weren't ready for ZeNEX. It's like 10-15 days of their lives/careers, if they can't even give that much actively practicing 12 hours a day only for GSTL, a team with a much worse lineup could have done better if they committed to it.

THEN they can get all-killed twice, I don't care, losing happens and it's perfectly natural.

They're playing in the most prestigious team league in the world, and the only one that even matters. It's probably the most significant event in their careers so far (except maybe for HerO), and it certainly was for the team. It's like getting a chance to play in Proleague and blowing it by not even taking it seriously on top of being the underdog.


Agree with this. They should go full Naniwa and not stream or such when they are preparing for something of this magnitude.
Get crunk
Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
May 31 2012 12:43 GMT
#2919
You need to know TL's goals before criticizing their performance. If winning and being fully competitive is their top priority, then yeah they're doing fairly poor and should reconsider many things. Now if they just want to keep the foreigners because thy're relatively close to their fanbase and are good fellas, it's ok. Anyway, sending this line-up in gstl was a suicide mission.
Terran & Potato Salad.
Sideburn
Profile Joined August 2010
United States442 Posts
May 31 2012 12:44 GMT
#2920
On May 31 2012 21:33 Talin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2012 21:16 TBO wrote:
On May 31 2012 21:13 CDR wrote:
Liquid should consider changing their lineup by removing uselss players and getting someone who is actually skilled.


Liquid won NASTL and was highest finishing foreigner team in IPL with losing twice 4-5 to korean teams. do you honestly think any other foreign team would have done better necessarily? So unless you are advocating that TL should become a purely korean team...


They don't necessarily have to do better results wise, but it would help if their players actually showed up in Korea (preferably a few weeks before the matches), if Nazgul and Bumblebee showed up instead of talking over Skype (lol), if they didn't stream for days before the first match, if they didn't play showmatches in between the two GSTL matchdays, even if they skipped Code A qualifiers if they weren't ready for ZeNEX. It's like 10-15 days of their lives/careers, if they can't even give that much actively practicing 12 hours a day only for GSTL, a team with a much worse lineup could have done better if they committed to it.

THEN they can get all-killed twice, I don't care, losing happens and it's perfectly natural.

They're playing in the most prestigious team league in the world, and the only one that even matters. It's probably the most significant event in their careers so far (except maybe for HerO), and it certainly was for the team. It's like getting a chance to play in Proleague and blowing it by not even taking it seriously on top of being the underdog.



I honestly don't think that Team Liquid even intended to do well in the GSTL though. They don't seem to be about fantastic results. In fact, foreign teams in general seem to be more about building up the persona, fanbase, and marketability of players rather than breeding top level skill. I'm not criticising this, it's a much easier model for foreign teams and it seems to give them decent results.
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