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SiroKO
Profile Joined February 2012
France721 Posts
May 27 2012 23:03 GMT
#3021
On May 28 2012 07:55 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2012 07:52 DifuntO wrote:
A bit offtopic but who are the best zergs at the moment,other than DRG,Violet and Steph?

leenock!


Symbol DRG Stephano Violet Nestea : top 5
Our envy always last longer than the happiness of those we envy
Mentalizor
Profile Joined January 2011
Denmark1596 Posts
May 27 2012 23:03 GMT
#3022
On May 28 2012 08:02 JerKy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2012 08:00 SpiZe wrote:
Are koreans really small, or Wheat is really tall ?


I think its both. If the two korean players are Smix's height, they're pretty short, and I'm pretty sure Wheat is a decent height himself, maybe 5'10" or 6'


Am I too scandinavian for saying 6' is not really tall at all? I'm 6'6" and tons of friends (and my brother) are still taller than me
(yಠ,ಠ)y - Y U NO ALL IN? - rtsAlaran: " I somehow sit inside the bus.Hot_Bit giving me a massage"
bkrow
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia8532 Posts
May 27 2012 23:03 GMT
#3023
On May 28 2012 08:02 Mentalizor wrote:
I don't wanna be "that guy"... But the translator... dayamn...

Lol someone's got a Smix crush going on :p
In The Rear With The Gear .. *giggle* /////////// cobra-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA!!!!
zyzq
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3123 Posts
May 27 2012 23:03 GMT
#3024
On May 28 2012 08:02 jmbthirteen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2012 08:00 susySquark wrote:
On May 28 2012 08:00 SpiZe wrote:
Are koreans really small, or Wheat is really tall ?

Having met DJWheat at an MLG - the man is freakin giant.

so 6'3" is giant status now?


6'3" is considered giant status in Korea
corpsepose
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1678 Posts
May 27 2012 23:03 GMT
#3025
On May 28 2012 08:00 susySquark wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2012 08:00 SpiZe wrote:
Are koreans really small, or Wheat is really tall ?

Having met DJWheat at an MLG - the man is freakin giant.


i met bomber at ipl4 and he was tiny though o.o
http://www.twitch.tv/corpsep0se
JohnMatrix
Profile Joined April 2011
France1358 Posts
May 27 2012 23:04 GMT
#3026
On May 28 2012 08:00 roymarthyup wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2012 07:56 eusoc wrote:
On May 28 2012 07:50 vinsang1000 wrote:
I'm sad for Stephano.

I really think he has to study more diverse strategies for the mid-game to surprise his opponent... If he doesn't do it, his code S spot will no last long...





Now in korea there is a 200/200 roach timing with overlord drop(not even need speed now) that is almost impossible to hold, as you have to defend 3 different places while the ffs are almost useless



IMO this literally is a HUGE problem right now once zergs start learning this


you dont even need roachspeed OR lingspeed, just spend 300/300 on drops and protoss has to defend 3 locations at once while you drop 200food of roach/ling into the toss main at TWELVE MINUTES LITERALLY


honestly lingspeed/roachspeed loses its value after mass forcefields at in play. imo might be better to skip lingspeed and just get droptech for a 200max drop at 12 minutes

this new 200food max + drops strategy thats been going around the korean ladder is KILLER. i agree once stephano starts doing that its gonna be WTFHAX


Yes I saw that and I was wondering why stephano didnt use drop on Antiga when he was super ahead.
Havik_
Profile Joined November 2011
United States5585 Posts
May 27 2012 23:04 GMT
#3027
On May 28 2012 08:00 roymarthyup wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2012 07:56 eusoc wrote:
On May 28 2012 07:50 vinsang1000 wrote:
I'm sad for Stephano.

I really think he has to study more diverse strategies for the mid-game to surprise his opponent... If he doesn't do it, his code S spot will no last long...





Now in korea there is a 200/200 roach timing with overlord drop(not even need speed now) that is almost impossible to hold, as you have to defend 3 different places while the ffs are almost useless



IMO this literally is a HUGE problem right now once zergs start learning this


you dont even need roachspeed OR lingspeed, just spend 300/300 on drops and protoss has to defend 3 locations at once while you drop 200food of roach/ling into the toss main at TWELVE MINUTES LITERALLY


honestly lingspeed/roachspeed loses its value after mass forcefields at in play. imo might be better to skip lingspeed and just get droptech for a 200max drop at 12 minutes

this new 200food max + drops strategy thats been going around the korean ladder is KILLER. i agree once stephano starts doing that its gonna be WTFHAX



Well. I guess Protoss is going to get a buff soon then. How the hell do you best that??
"An opinion is only as good as the evidence that backs it up."- William O'Malley, S.J.
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
May 27 2012 23:04 GMT
#3028
On May 28 2012 08:03 zyzq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2012 08:02 jmbthirteen wrote:
On May 28 2012 08:00 susySquark wrote:
On May 28 2012 08:00 SpiZe wrote:
Are koreans really small, or Wheat is really tall ?

Having met DJWheat at an MLG - the man is freakin giant.

so 6'3" is giant status now?


6'3" is considered giant status in Asia

Fixed that for you.
Harrad
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
1003 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-27 23:04:42
May 27 2012 23:04 GMT
#3029
On May 28 2012 08:02 Mentalizor wrote:
I don't wanna be "that guy"... But the translator... dayamn...


So you're that guy who pointed out the translator is good-looking...ewwwwww
BlackGosu
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1046 Posts
May 27 2012 23:04 GMT
#3030
On May 28 2012 08:03 Mentalizor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2012 08:02 JerKy wrote:
On May 28 2012 08:00 SpiZe wrote:
Are koreans really small, or Wheat is really tall ?


I think its both. If the two korean players are Smix's height, they're pretty short, and I'm pretty sure Wheat is a decent height himself, maybe 5'10" or 6'


Am I too scandinavian for saying 6' is not really tall at all? I'm 6'6" and tons of friends (and my brother) are still taller than me

you are TALL. 6'0 is already taller than average
Jar Jar Binks
avc
Profile Joined December 2011
121 Posts
May 27 2012 23:04 GMT
#3031
On May 28 2012 07:55 Micket wrote:
Reastically, did Stephano have a chance of winning cloud kingdom and daybreak after the roach pressure failed? It just seemed like his army was helpless and there was a good 5 minute window where MC has a huge blink stalker army complimented by immortal/colossus or more blink stalkers, which crushes any non BL army. However, I saw no way Stephano could get BLords in time, and so he would have to mega turtle to not die. But against someone like MC, that wouldn't put you in an advantageous position at all and his 4th would have surely gone down.

Any Zerg players want to chip in?


The match up swings wildly over the course of a game and you're essentially picking up on it with what you said.

If the Zerg survives to get out the roach pressure it's usually their chance to get ahead. It used to be their chance to outright win the game, but Protoss players have adapted sufficiently to rarely die from that push these days.

If that pressure fails, there's a huge window where Protoss can build up an unkillable army and walk over the Zerg with very little the Zerg can do about it unless they can somehow snipe the third. You may be able to rush to Broodlord tech fast enough, but you certainly wont get enough BL's and Infestors out to stop a mass blink stalker army and that's where many Zergs end up dying.

Surviving this moment then throws the match up into an often map dependent coin flippy role reversal. Now Protoss has all the mobility and expanding advantages and Zerg has the big slow deathball. Depending on tactics used and a bit of luck it can absolutely go either way, although personally I feel blink stalkers + mass recall and ignoring a big engagement is the most favourable choice, unless you get super fortunate with a big vortex play.
iAmBiGbiRd
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia1029 Posts
May 27 2012 23:04 GMT
#3032
On May 28 2012 08:02 jmbthirteen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2012 08:00 susySquark wrote:
On May 28 2012 08:00 SpiZe wrote:
Are koreans really small, or Wheat is really tall ?

Having met DJWheat at an MLG - the man is freakin giant.

so 6'3" is giant status now?


I'm 6"3 and would like to think i am a giant so yes it is
Hello friends:)
mrtomjones
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada4020 Posts
May 27 2012 23:04 GMT
#3033
On May 28 2012 08:02 xrapture wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2012 07:52 DrPandaPhD wrote:
On May 28 2012 07:48 Gladiator333 wrote:
On May 28 2012 07:48 ZeroSC2 wrote:
Poll: DRG or Stephano now #1 ZvP ?

DRG (85)
 
62%

Stephano (52)
 
38%

137 total votes

Your vote: DRG or Stephano now #1 ZvP ?

(Vote): DRG
(Vote): Stephano



No love for NesTea as well?


Nestea is nowhere near as good as those two vs P

I'd say
Stephano DRG vs toss
Leenock DRG vs terran
Nestea DRG vs zerg

DRG obviously being the best zerg :p viOlet being a third in both ZvP and ZvZ or something.


honestly players like seal, symbol, and curious are better than Stephano in every matchup.

Tournaments like this are so much different than GSL because no one is preparing for Stephano.

I really think he competed in the GSL he would be demolished down to Code B almost immediately.

Making comments like that is pretty ignorant. Until Stephano plays in GSL you wont know if these results will translate over. He is VERY good. I'm not even a huge Stephano fan but anyone saying otherwise is lying to themselves.
The_Darkness
Profile Joined December 2011
United States910 Posts
May 27 2012 23:05 GMT
#3034
On May 28 2012 08:02 xrapture wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2012 07:52 DrPandaPhD wrote:
On May 28 2012 07:48 Gladiator333 wrote:
On May 28 2012 07:48 ZeroSC2 wrote:
Poll: DRG or Stephano now #1 ZvP ?

DRG (85)
 
62%

Stephano (52)
 
38%

137 total votes

Your vote: DRG or Stephano now #1 ZvP ?

(Vote): DRG
(Vote): Stephano



No love for NesTea as well?


Nestea is nowhere near as good as those two vs P

I'd say
Stephano DRG vs toss
Leenock DRG vs terran
Nestea DRG vs zerg

DRG obviously being the best zerg :p viOlet being a third in both ZvP and ZvZ or something.


honestly players like seal, symbol, and curious are better than Stephano in every matchup.

Tournaments like this are so much different than GSL because no one is preparing for Stephano.

I really think he competed in the GSL he would be demolished down to Code B almost immediately.


We thank you for your nuanced "honest" opinion. I will let GomTV know that you already know the result if Stephano is offered a Code S spot so they don't waste our time.
To be is to be the value of a bound variable.
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
May 27 2012 23:05 GMT
#3035
I wanted to see the players stats =(
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
May 27 2012 23:05 GMT
#3036
On May 28 2012 08:04 avc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2012 07:55 Micket wrote:
Reastically, did Stephano have a chance of winning cloud kingdom and daybreak after the roach pressure failed? It just seemed like his army was helpless and there was a good 5 minute window where MC has a huge blink stalker army complimented by immortal/colossus or more blink stalkers, which crushes any non BL army. However, I saw no way Stephano could get BLords in time, and so he would have to mega turtle to not die. But against someone like MC, that wouldn't put you in an advantageous position at all and his 4th would have surely gone down.

Any Zerg players want to chip in?


The match up swings wildly over the course of a game and you're essentially picking up on it with what you said.

If the Zerg survives to get out the roach pressure it's usually their chance to get ahead. It used to be their chance to outright win the game, but Protoss players have adapted sufficiently to rarely die from that push these days.

If that pressure fails, there's a huge window where Protoss can build up an unkillable army and walk over the Zerg with very little the Zerg can do about it unless they can somehow snipe the third. You may be able to rush to Broodlord tech fast enough, but you certainly wont get enough BL's and Infestors out to stop a mass blink stalker army and that's where many Zergs end up dying.

Surviving this moment then throws the match up into an often map dependent coin flippy role reversal. Now Protoss has all the mobility and expanding advantages and Zerg has the big slow deathball. Depending on tactics used and a bit of luck it can absolutely go either way, although personally I feel blink stalkers + mass recall and ignoring a big engagement is the most favourable choice, unless you get super fortunate with a big vortex play.


Good explanation.

And this ladies and gentlemen, is why PvZ sucks.
mrtomjones
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada4020 Posts
May 27 2012 23:05 GMT
#3037
On May 28 2012 08:04 BlackGosu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2012 08:03 Mentalizor wrote:
On May 28 2012 08:02 JerKy wrote:
On May 28 2012 08:00 SpiZe wrote:
Are koreans really small, or Wheat is really tall ?


I think its both. If the two korean players are Smix's height, they're pretty short, and I'm pretty sure Wheat is a decent height himself, maybe 5'10" or 6'


Am I too scandinavian for saying 6' is not really tall at all? I'm 6'6" and tons of friends (and my brother) are still taller than me

you are TALL. 6'0 is already taller than average

6'0" is quite common where I am from but someone being 6'6" and having "tons" of friends taller than him seems hard to believe
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
May 27 2012 23:05 GMT
#3038
On May 28 2012 08:00 roymarthyup wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2012 07:56 eusoc wrote:
On May 28 2012 07:50 vinsang1000 wrote:
I'm sad for Stephano.

I really think he has to study more diverse strategies for the mid-game to surprise his opponent... If he doesn't do it, his code S spot will no last long...





Now in korea there is a 200/200 roach timing with overlord drop(not even need speed now) that is almost impossible to hold, as you have to defend 3 different places while the ffs are almost useless



IMO this literally is a HUGE problem right now once zergs start learning this


you dont even need roachspeed OR lingspeed, just spend 300/300 on drops and protoss has to defend 3 locations at once while you drop 200food of roach/ling into the toss main at TWELVE MINUTES LITERALLY


honestly lingspeed/roachspeed loses its value after mass forcefields at in play. imo might be better to skip lingspeed and just get droptech for a 200max drop at 12 minutes

this new 200food max + drops strategy thats been going around the korean ladder is KILLER. i agree once stephano starts doing that its gonna be WTFHAX


It's a nice build but this one star gate play is able to handle it, I think. Star gate gives you access to void rays and phoenixes, which gives you map control because Zerg has no units that shoot up except queens that have to be in their base injecting, and when the Zerg is moving out with his overlords you're able to catch them and kill a lot of them before they're able to drop.

Then, with immortals and stalkers you're able to hold.

The trick, though, is to slow down the Zerg's timing. 11:10 maxes are not hold-able, 12:10 maxes are.
fraktoasters
Profile Joined January 2011
United States617 Posts
May 27 2012 23:06 GMT
#3039
On May 28 2012 08:02 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2012 08:00 The_Darkness wrote:
On May 28 2012 07:59 ZeroSC2 wrote:
On May 28 2012 07:49 Zane wrote:
On May 28 2012 07:48 ZeroSC2 wrote:
Poll: DRG or Stephano now #1 ZvP ?

DRG (85)
 
62%

Stephano (52)
 
38%

137 total votes

Your vote: DRG or Stephano now #1 ZvP ?

(Vote): DRG
(Vote): Stephano


Why do we even need a poll for this?


Cause Stephano might be slightly....just slightly overrated.


Yes, finally, someone saying the truth. Forget objective measures like Elo.


LOL at elo being objective.


ELO has developed feelings.
Hulavuta
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1252 Posts
May 27 2012 23:06 GMT
#3040
On May 28 2012 08:03 bkrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2012 08:02 Mentalizor wrote:
I don't wanna be "that guy"... But the translator... dayamn...

Lol someone's got a Smix crush going on :p


Hahaha
Done with Team Liquid for a while. Don't expect to find me here.
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