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Zarahtra
Profile Joined May 2010
Iceland4053 Posts
May 19 2012 23:08 GMT
#2041
Not sure if stephano would've killed Heart there if the wall was complete. Dunno depends on if the bunkers were in range so roaches couldn't kill off the wall, but if stepahno had to use the blings to kill the raxes... dunno
SeaSwift
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Scotland4486 Posts
May 19 2012 23:08 GMT
#2042
On May 20 2012 08:06 NrGmonk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2012 08:01 Wombat_NI wrote:
On May 20 2012 07:59 NrGmonk wrote:
MC vs DRG was extreme mindgames from MC. There are 2 main ZvP builds that DRG does, one is a mass roach style similar to stephano, trying to overrun the protoss on 3 base. The other is the fast broodlord style you saw in game 2. Metropolis is a fairly good map for the broodlord style, because it's easy to defend all your bases with mass spines, so MC knew DRG had a high chance of doing that build.

In game 3, MC made it look like he was going an immortal expand like he did in game 2 by hiding colossi and showing one immortal. DRG assumed MC could hold a roach pressure, with the immortal expand, so he went for fast broods. He "knew" he couldn't be punished, because siege units like colossi wouldn't be coming anytime soon and he could just hide behind a bunch of spines. If he had indeed done the roach aggression, he would have had a really really good chance of breaking MC.

However, MC hid the robo bay/colossi, chornoing 3 colossi and following up with a warp prism. He didn't add a twilight and essentially did a 3 base colossi all-in push at 13:30, when he knew the standard bl timing is 15:00. Except this wasn't risky; MC pretty much knew had a 100% chance of winning as soon as he scouted the infestation pit and hive.

I do enjoy reading posts like this, giving more insight into the mindgames. More of these please everyone, less 'omg unit x is broken' after every game

Was watching that game from MC's view, was a thing of beauty seeing his splitting vs the fungals, blinking onto the high ground for better concaving etc.

No one usually cares enough though.


I care! :D
I think a lot of people read these threads to catch up with the games but don't want to get entangled in ridiculous arguments, so they don't post to thank people when they are grateful.

I guarantee more people care about your analysis than it seems. Just add in a controversial statement about balance, black people or sponsors and you'll get tons of replies!
Thomanson
Profile Joined November 2011
United States215 Posts
May 19 2012 23:08 GMT
#2043
On May 20 2012 08:07 Integra wrote:
What the hell happened in the game between stephano and heart O_o.


Fail Cheese into Fail Wall. Stephano stomped it.
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
May 19 2012 23:08 GMT
#2044
On May 20 2012 08:06 betaman wrote:
What happened to cocky Stephano? He looks a nervous wreck! (not playing like one tho)


Maybe jetlag. I certainly look like one as well during these hours.
Not to mention that I didn't have to play the games he did.
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
May 19 2012 23:08 GMT
#2045
On May 20 2012 08:07 teddyoojo wrote:
can you fucking idiots stop bashing heart? its disgusting how retarded you people are


He plays super abusive, but it gets him wins. It's a cheesy way to play but meh, it doesn't show a lot of skills.
lulutheking
Profile Joined April 2012
France106 Posts
May 19 2012 23:08 GMT
#2046
On May 20 2012 08:03 ashortstory wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2012 08:02 lulutheking wrote:
On May 20 2012 08:01 Derrida wrote:
I get so happy when terran cheese fails


Not a cheese , just early pressure

Lol, what is cheese for you?

Heart is known for being a cheeser player. You`re only saying it was early pressure because he failed


There is a big difference between cheese and early pressure... i open all my TvP with polt's 2 rax, is this a cheese ?? no, an all in ? no , coz i expand just behind this ... cheese is when you commit to an attack. The big mistake from heart in this game was to make an early third cc... lot's of terran do this mistake, it's a gamble actually but when you play against that level pro player then there is no gamble, you should make an army, drop the zerg and hope to get back in the game
Machu PIchu
ashortstory
Profile Joined April 2012
Brazil160 Posts
May 19 2012 23:08 GMT
#2047
I regret saying Heart is a boring player. It`s actually quite fun see a cheeser player gets dominated. Heart is hilarious. Let`s see his next cheese this game.
Cereb
Profile Joined November 2011
Denmark3388 Posts
May 19 2012 23:08 GMT
#2048
Stephano texting! Prolly to some playboy girl "Yeah babe, I just have to roflstomp this scrub then I'll be right with you "


"Until the very very top in almost anything, all that matters is how much work you put in. The only problem is most people can't work hard even at things they do enjoy, much less things they don't have a real passion for. -Greg "IdrA" Fields
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26764 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-19 23:11:01
May 19 2012 23:09 GMT
#2049
On May 20 2012 08:06 NrGmonk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2012 08:01 Wombat_NI wrote:
On May 20 2012 07:59 NrGmonk wrote:
MC vs DRG was extreme mindgames from MC. There are 2 main ZvP builds that DRG does, one is a mass roach style similar to stephano, trying to overrun the protoss on 3 base. The other is the fast broodlord style you saw in game 2. Metropolis is a fairly good map for the broodlord style, because it's easy to defend all your bases with mass spines, so MC knew DRG had a high chance of doing that build.

In game 3, MC made it look like he was going an immortal expand like he did in game 2 by hiding colossi and showing one immortal. DRG assumed MC could hold a roach pressure, with the immortal expand, so he went for fast broods. He "knew" he couldn't be punished, because siege units like colossi wouldn't be coming anytime soon and he could just hide behind a bunch of spines. If he had indeed done the roach aggression, he would have had a really really good chance of breaking MC.

However, MC hid the robo bay/colossi, chornoing 3 colossi and following up with a warp prism. He didn't add a twilight and essentially did a 3 base colossi all-in push at 13:30, when he knew the standard bl timing is 15:00. Except this wasn't risky; MC pretty much knew had a 100% chance of winning as soon as he scouted the infestation pit and hive.

I do enjoy reading posts like this, giving more insight into the mindgames. More of these please everyone, less 'omg unit x is broken' after every game

Was watching that game from MC's view, was a thing of beauty seeing his splitting vs the fungals, blinking onto the high ground for better concaving etc.

No one usually cares enough though.

But Monk, I care

It's easy to give play-by-plays and whatnot, but the deeper analysis is great. This function was fulfilled at the previous arenas by assorted pros, but it seems to be lacking in this one. Bit strange as I thought that aspect of the production was well received.

+ People seem loathe to give positive feedback, LR threads have a huge amount of people who strive to have their idiotic negative whining heard, and a silent majority of people who are put off even posting because of this.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
mememolly
Profile Joined December 2011
4765 Posts
May 19 2012 23:09 GMT
#2050
On May 20 2012 08:07 teddyoojo wrote:
can you idiots stop bashing heart? its stupid how retarded you act


people are just pointing out his playstyle, which is cheesy, plus he's playing the foreigner hope so you have to expect some vitriol
Derrida
Profile Joined March 2011
2885 Posts
May 19 2012 23:09 GMT
#2051
Did grubby vs inori start yet?
#1 Grubby Fan.
Deleted User 101379
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
4849 Posts
May 19 2012 23:09 GMT
#2052
On May 20 2012 08:08 Zarahtra wrote:
Not sure if stephano would've killed Heart there if the wall was complete. Dunno depends on if the bunkers were in range so roaches couldn't kill off the wall, but if stepahno had to use the blings to kill the raxes... dunno


I think he had enough blings to blow up the rax and he definitely had enough roaches to then still push through the bunkers. I don't see any way how Heart could have held that, full wall or not.
Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
May 19 2012 23:10 GMT
#2053
On May 20 2012 08:08 Thomanson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2012 08:07 Integra wrote:
What the hell happened in the game between stephano and heart O_o.


Fail Cheese into Fail Wall. Stephano stomped it.

That game made zero sense, seriously.
"Dark Pleasure" | | I survived the Locust war of May 3, 2014
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
May 19 2012 23:10 GMT
#2054
On May 20 2012 08:09 Derrida wrote:
Did grubby vs inori start yet?


Yes, it's a macro PvP game, 130 supply vs. 130 supply.
Bashion
Profile Joined February 2011
Cook Islands2612 Posts
May 19 2012 23:10 GMT
#2055
On May 20 2012 08:09 Derrida wrote:
Did grubby vs inori start yet?

Yup
I've got moves like Jagger
Deleted User 101379
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
4849 Posts
May 19 2012 23:10 GMT
#2056
On May 20 2012 08:09 Derrida wrote:
Did grubby vs inori start yet?


Yes, it's on A1. Still first game and from what i can see, 3base vs 3base atm.
Cereb
Profile Joined November 2011
Denmark3388 Posts
May 19 2012 23:10 GMT
#2057
On May 20 2012 08:08 mememolly wrote:
heart is just so unlikable in every way, he looks like the classic nerd who cheeses you on ladder and pre-emptive ggs on you



Lol kinda uncalled for but couldn't help laughing
"Until the very very top in almost anything, all that matters is how much work you put in. The only problem is most people can't work hard even at things they do enjoy, much less things they don't have a real passion for. -Greg "IdrA" Fields
Bojas
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands2397 Posts
May 19 2012 23:10 GMT
#2058
On May 20 2012 08:06 Bashion wrote:
Is Stephano sick?

Why yes, he certainly plays like it.
torm3ntin
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil2534 Posts
May 19 2012 23:11 GMT
#2059
watching stephano and cheering for grubby :D
Grubby and Ret fan, but a TERRAN player :D
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
May 19 2012 23:11 GMT
#2060
so nice to see people play with the amount of workers they have on gas. ~
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