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On May 21 2012 07:19 GolemMadness wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2012 20:52 Fragile51 wrote:On May 20 2012 20:51 GolemMadness wrote:
Why does this thread only have results and not matchups? Because the matchups arent known yet until they actually sit down in the booth. Because of the matchfixing incident this is now enforced in proleague. The results are known but the matchups aren't? What?
Can you clarify? Under "Matches and results" it shows that, for example, in T1 played team 8, and the first match was Fantasy (t) played against Jaehoon (p). isn't Tvp a matchup?
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On May 21 2012 07:18 SupLilSon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 04:46 MCXD wrote:
The fact that a protoss won in all but one game has me worried. A terran just won the GSL, and 3 zergs are at the top of MLG Arena.
They are hardly "OP" statistically, and very beatable at higher levels. I really don't want to see a bunch of race switches to protoss and other BS just because they don't want to pay attention to the actual current metagame and see that it's possible to handle them. That would be dumb. What do you mean the actual current metagame lol. For all we know these guys are going to develop their own metagame.
From what we saw none of them will be "reinventing the game" for along time. Code B players could smash most of them and any code A player would beat them all. The hope of the BW pro's making a huge change in the game was just that, a hope. HoTS will be out before any of them are high level, so they might change the game then, but it won't happen anytime soon.
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On May 21 2012 08:12 HappyTimePANDA wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 07:18 SupLilSon wrote:On May 21 2012 04:46 MCXD wrote:
The fact that a protoss won in all but one game has me worried. A terran just won the GSL, and 3 zergs are at the top of MLG Arena.
They are hardly "OP" statistically, and very beatable at higher levels. I really don't want to see a bunch of race switches to protoss and other BS just because they don't want to pay attention to the actual current metagame and see that it's possible to handle them. That would be dumb. What do you mean the actual current metagame lol. For all we know these guys are going to develop their own metagame. From what we saw none of them will be "reinventing the game" for along time. Code B players could smash most of them and any code A player would beat them all. The hope of the BW pro's making a huge change in the game was just that, a hope. HoTS will be out before any of them are high level, so they might change the game then, but it won't happen anytime soon.
I don't think Code B players would smash through most of them. They are literally typical Code B players to begin with.
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On May 21 2012 08:14 GreyKnight wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 08:12 HappyTimePANDA wrote:On May 21 2012 07:18 SupLilSon wrote:On May 21 2012 04:46 MCXD wrote:
The fact that a protoss won in all but one game has me worried. A terran just won the GSL, and 3 zergs are at the top of MLG Arena.
They are hardly "OP" statistically, and very beatable at higher levels. I really don't want to see a bunch of race switches to protoss and other BS just because they don't want to pay attention to the actual current metagame and see that it's possible to handle them. That would be dumb. What do you mean the actual current metagame lol. For all we know these guys are going to develop their own metagame. From what we saw none of them will be "reinventing the game" for along time. Code B players could smash most of them and any code A player would beat them all. The hope of the BW pro's making a huge change in the game was just that, a hope. HoTS will be out before any of them are high level, so they might change the game then, but it won't happen anytime soon. I don't think Code B players would smash through most of them. They are literally typical Code B players to begin with.
Right now, as of today, code B SC2 players would beat most all of them. They are clueless on unit compositions and timings. They haven't had enough time and as long as it is mixed format I don't see any of them beating code A and definitely not code S players.
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On May 21 2012 08:12 HappyTimePANDA wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 07:18 SupLilSon wrote:On May 21 2012 04:46 MCXD wrote:
The fact that a protoss won in all but one game has me worried. A terran just won the GSL, and 3 zergs are at the top of MLG Arena.
They are hardly "OP" statistically, and very beatable at higher levels. I really don't want to see a bunch of race switches to protoss and other BS just because they don't want to pay attention to the actual current metagame and see that it's possible to handle them. That would be dumb. What do you mean the actual current metagame lol. For all we know these guys are going to develop their own metagame. From what we saw none of them will be "reinventing the game" for along time. Code B players could smash most of them and any code A player would beat them all. The hope of the BW pro's making a huge change in the game was just that, a hope. HoTS will be out before any of them are high level, so they might change the game then, but it won't happen anytime soon.
This is so dead wrong. Any of these guys would smash "code B" players along with your favorite foreign superstars on mechanics alone. Most of them are high master on KR without any game knowledge.
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On May 21 2012 08:22 HappyTimePANDA wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 08:14 GreyKnight wrote:On May 21 2012 08:12 HappyTimePANDA wrote:On May 21 2012 07:18 SupLilSon wrote:On May 21 2012 04:46 MCXD wrote:
The fact that a protoss won in all but one game has me worried. A terran just won the GSL, and 3 zergs are at the top of MLG Arena.
They are hardly "OP" statistically, and very beatable at higher levels. I really don't want to see a bunch of race switches to protoss and other BS just because they don't want to pay attention to the actual current metagame and see that it's possible to handle them. That would be dumb. What do you mean the actual current metagame lol. For all we know these guys are going to develop their own metagame. From what we saw none of them will be "reinventing the game" for along time. Code B players could smash most of them and any code A player would beat them all. The hope of the BW pro's making a huge change in the game was just that, a hope. HoTS will be out before any of them are high level, so they might change the game then, but it won't happen anytime soon. I don't think Code B players would smash through most of them. They are literally typical Code B players to begin with. Right now, as of today, code B SC2 players would beat most all of them. They are clueless on unit compositions and timings. They haven't had enough time and as long as it is mixed format I don't see any of them beating code A and definitely not code S players.
you overrate most Code B players then.
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On May 21 2012 08:23 GreyKnight wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 08:22 HappyTimePANDA wrote:On May 21 2012 08:14 GreyKnight wrote:On May 21 2012 08:12 HappyTimePANDA wrote:On May 21 2012 07:18 SupLilSon wrote:On May 21 2012 04:46 MCXD wrote:
The fact that a protoss won in all but one game has me worried. A terran just won the GSL, and 3 zergs are at the top of MLG Arena.
They are hardly "OP" statistically, and very beatable at higher levels. I really don't want to see a bunch of race switches to protoss and other BS just because they don't want to pay attention to the actual current metagame and see that it's possible to handle them. That would be dumb. What do you mean the actual current metagame lol. For all we know these guys are going to develop their own metagame. From what we saw none of them will be "reinventing the game" for along time. Code B players could smash most of them and any code A player would beat them all. The hope of the BW pro's making a huge change in the game was just that, a hope. HoTS will be out before any of them are high level, so they might change the game then, but it won't happen anytime soon. I don't think Code B players would smash through most of them. They are literally typical Code B players to begin with. Right now, as of today, code B SC2 players would beat most all of them. They are clueless on unit compositions and timings. They haven't had enough time and as long as it is mixed format I don't see any of them beating code A and definitely not code S players. you overrate most Code B players then.
Or he's another person just blindly watching the games. Their mechanics are FAR superior to almost all foreigners already. It's sick.
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Got a feeling Protoss gonna dominate next season of GSL as well.
3/4 semi finalists were Protoss.
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On May 21 2012 08:23 SupLilSon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 08:12 HappyTimePANDA wrote:On May 21 2012 07:18 SupLilSon wrote:On May 21 2012 04:46 MCXD wrote:
The fact that a protoss won in all but one game has me worried. A terran just won the GSL, and 3 zergs are at the top of MLG Arena.
They are hardly "OP" statistically, and very beatable at higher levels. I really don't want to see a bunch of race switches to protoss and other BS just because they don't want to pay attention to the actual current metagame and see that it's possible to handle them. That would be dumb. What do you mean the actual current metagame lol. For all we know these guys are going to develop their own metagame. From what we saw none of them will be "reinventing the game" for along time. Code B players could smash most of them and any code A player would beat them all. The hope of the BW pro's making a huge change in the game was just that, a hope. HoTS will be out before any of them are high level, so they might change the game then, but it won't happen anytime soon. This is so dead wrong. Any of these guys would smash "code B" players along with your favorite foreign superstars on mechanics alone. Most of them are high master on KR without any game knowledge.
We will have to disagree on it, did you watch their play in OSL? Already seen where Flash got beat by DesRow. and Flash was saying how Effort was so good after their match, when it was nothing special. Being high on ladder and high in tournaments is very different. The "god" of BW is still having trouble and has said it will take time to learn. Why you place them up higher than they even put themselves makes no sense. (and my favorite players are all Korean besides Stephano btw)
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On May 21 2012 08:24 SupLilSon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 08:23 GreyKnight wrote:On May 21 2012 08:22 HappyTimePANDA wrote:On May 21 2012 08:14 GreyKnight wrote:On May 21 2012 08:12 HappyTimePANDA wrote:On May 21 2012 07:18 SupLilSon wrote:On May 21 2012 04:46 MCXD wrote:
The fact that a protoss won in all but one game has me worried. A terran just won the GSL, and 3 zergs are at the top of MLG Arena.
They are hardly "OP" statistically, and very beatable at higher levels. I really don't want to see a bunch of race switches to protoss and other BS just because they don't want to pay attention to the actual current metagame and see that it's possible to handle them. That would be dumb. What do you mean the actual current metagame lol. For all we know these guys are going to develop their own metagame. From what we saw none of them will be "reinventing the game" for along time. Code B players could smash most of them and any code A player would beat them all. The hope of the BW pro's making a huge change in the game was just that, a hope. HoTS will be out before any of them are high level, so they might change the game then, but it won't happen anytime soon. I don't think Code B players would smash through most of them. They are literally typical Code B players to begin with. Right now, as of today, code B SC2 players would beat most all of them. They are clueless on unit compositions and timings. They haven't had enough time and as long as it is mixed format I don't see any of them beating code A and definitely not code S players. you overrate most Code B players then. Or he's another person just blindly watching the games. Their mechanics are FAR superior to almost all foreigners already. It's sick.
I don't understand? We all watch the pros. And if you watched the OSL you know they played horribly. They don't know any timings and unit compositions. I am not saying they won't be good, just right now code B could beat most of them. The few that excel atm would be beat easily by code A and vs code S it would be pointless.
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On May 21 2012 08:23 GreyKnight wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 08:22 HappyTimePANDA wrote:On May 21 2012 08:14 GreyKnight wrote:On May 21 2012 08:12 HappyTimePANDA wrote:On May 21 2012 07:18 SupLilSon wrote:On May 21 2012 04:46 MCXD wrote:
The fact that a protoss won in all but one game has me worried. A terran just won the GSL, and 3 zergs are at the top of MLG Arena.
They are hardly "OP" statistically, and very beatable at higher levels. I really don't want to see a bunch of race switches to protoss and other BS just because they don't want to pay attention to the actual current metagame and see that it's possible to handle them. That would be dumb. What do you mean the actual current metagame lol. For all we know these guys are going to develop their own metagame. From what we saw none of them will be "reinventing the game" for along time. Code B players could smash most of them and any code A player would beat them all. The hope of the BW pro's making a huge change in the game was just that, a hope. HoTS will be out before any of them are high level, so they might change the game then, but it won't happen anytime soon. I don't think Code B players would smash through most of them. They are literally typical Code B players to begin with. Right now, as of today, code B SC2 players would beat most all of them. They are clueless on unit compositions and timings. They haven't had enough time and as long as it is mixed format I don't see any of them beating code A and definitely not code S players. you overrate most Code B players then.
Or you are overrating the BW players now. (as I have said I am not saying they cant be back on top, just right now they aren't gosu at SC2)
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why isn't there ratings like the gsl threads? what games are worth watching (including bw)? besides the obvious flash and jaedong ones.
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On May 21 2012 08:24 SupLilSon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 08:23 GreyKnight wrote:On May 21 2012 08:22 HappyTimePANDA wrote:On May 21 2012 08:14 GreyKnight wrote:On May 21 2012 08:12 HappyTimePANDA wrote:On May 21 2012 07:18 SupLilSon wrote:On May 21 2012 04:46 MCXD wrote:
The fact that a protoss won in all but one game has me worried. A terran just won the GSL, and 3 zergs are at the top of MLG Arena.
They are hardly "OP" statistically, and very beatable at higher levels. I really don't want to see a bunch of race switches to protoss and other BS just because they don't want to pay attention to the actual current metagame and see that it's possible to handle them. That would be dumb. What do you mean the actual current metagame lol. For all we know these guys are going to develop their own metagame. From what we saw none of them will be "reinventing the game" for along time. Code B players could smash most of them and any code A player would beat them all. The hope of the BW pro's making a huge change in the game was just that, a hope. HoTS will be out before any of them are high level, so they might change the game then, but it won't happen anytime soon. I don't think Code B players would smash through most of them. They are literally typical Code B players to begin with. Right now, as of today, code B SC2 players would beat most all of them. They are clueless on unit compositions and timings. They haven't had enough time and as long as it is mixed format I don't see any of them beating code A and definitely not code S players. you overrate most Code B players then. Or he's another person just blindly watching the games. Their mechanics are FAR superior to almost all foreigners already. It's sick.
But mechanics are not the the most deciding factor anymore. If your decision making is awful and you don't know what you're doing someone with far inferior mechanics will just destroy you. MMA lost to Goody at MLG for example and Goodys mechanics well ..... Most Code B players and a good chunk of western pros are def. better than what the BW players showed today.
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On May 21 2012 08:49 s3rp wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 08:24 SupLilSon wrote:On May 21 2012 08:23 GreyKnight wrote:On May 21 2012 08:22 HappyTimePANDA wrote:On May 21 2012 08:14 GreyKnight wrote:On May 21 2012 08:12 HappyTimePANDA wrote:On May 21 2012 07:18 SupLilSon wrote:On May 21 2012 04:46 MCXD wrote:
The fact that a protoss won in all but one game has me worried. A terran just won the GSL, and 3 zergs are at the top of MLG Arena.
They are hardly "OP" statistically, and very beatable at higher levels. I really don't want to see a bunch of race switches to protoss and other BS just because they don't want to pay attention to the actual current metagame and see that it's possible to handle them. That would be dumb. What do you mean the actual current metagame lol. For all we know these guys are going to develop their own metagame. From what we saw none of them will be "reinventing the game" for along time. Code B players could smash most of them and any code A player would beat them all. The hope of the BW pro's making a huge change in the game was just that, a hope. HoTS will be out before any of them are high level, so they might change the game then, but it won't happen anytime soon. I don't think Code B players would smash through most of them. They are literally typical Code B players to begin with. Right now, as of today, code B SC2 players would beat most all of them. They are clueless on unit compositions and timings. They haven't had enough time and as long as it is mixed format I don't see any of them beating code A and definitely not code S players. you overrate most Code B players then. Or he's another person just blindly watching the games. Their mechanics are FAR superior to almost all foreigners already. It's sick. But mechanics are not the the most deciding factor anymore. If your decision making is awful and you don't know what you're doing someone with far inferior mechanics will just destroy you. MMA lost to Goody at MLG for example and Goodys mechanics well ..... Most Code B players and a good chunk of western pros are def. better than what the BW players showed today.
The point is the best BW pros have decision making + mechanics. Once BW guys get to the point they understand the game there's a lot more potential for them to be awesome/change some things in the metagame.
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On May 21 2012 08:23 GreyKnight wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 08:22 HappyTimePANDA wrote:On May 21 2012 08:14 GreyKnight wrote:On May 21 2012 08:12 HappyTimePANDA wrote:On May 21 2012 07:18 SupLilSon wrote:On May 21 2012 04:46 MCXD wrote:
The fact that a protoss won in all but one game has me worried. A terran just won the GSL, and 3 zergs are at the top of MLG Arena.
They are hardly "OP" statistically, and very beatable at higher levels. I really don't want to see a bunch of race switches to protoss and other BS just because they don't want to pay attention to the actual current metagame and see that it's possible to handle them. That would be dumb. What do you mean the actual current metagame lol. For all we know these guys are going to develop their own metagame. From what we saw none of them will be "reinventing the game" for along time. Code B players could smash most of them and any code A player would beat them all. The hope of the BW pro's making a huge change in the game was just that, a hope. HoTS will be out before any of them are high level, so they might change the game then, but it won't happen anytime soon. I don't think Code B players would smash through most of them. They are literally typical Code B players to begin with. Right now, as of today, code B SC2 players would beat most all of them. They are clueless on unit compositions and timings. They haven't had enough time and as long as it is mixed format I don't see any of them beating code A and definitely not code S players. you overrate most Code B players then.
most code b players would RAPE the bw pros. I think you've forgotten how good players in code b actually are
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On May 21 2012 08:56 SimDawg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 08:49 s3rp wrote:On May 21 2012 08:24 SupLilSon wrote:On May 21 2012 08:23 GreyKnight wrote:On May 21 2012 08:22 HappyTimePANDA wrote:On May 21 2012 08:14 GreyKnight wrote:On May 21 2012 08:12 HappyTimePANDA wrote:On May 21 2012 07:18 SupLilSon wrote:On May 21 2012 04:46 MCXD wrote:
The fact that a protoss won in all but one game has me worried. A terran just won the GSL, and 3 zergs are at the top of MLG Arena.
They are hardly "OP" statistically, and very beatable at higher levels. I really don't want to see a bunch of race switches to protoss and other BS just because they don't want to pay attention to the actual current metagame and see that it's possible to handle them. That would be dumb. What do you mean the actual current metagame lol. For all we know these guys are going to develop their own metagame. From what we saw none of them will be "reinventing the game" for along time. Code B players could smash most of them and any code A player would beat them all. The hope of the BW pro's making a huge change in the game was just that, a hope. HoTS will be out before any of them are high level, so they might change the game then, but it won't happen anytime soon. I don't think Code B players would smash through most of them. They are literally typical Code B players to begin with. Right now, as of today, code B SC2 players would beat most all of them. They are clueless on unit compositions and timings. They haven't had enough time and as long as it is mixed format I don't see any of them beating code A and definitely not code S players. you overrate most Code B players then. Or he's another person just blindly watching the games. Their mechanics are FAR superior to almost all foreigners already. It's sick. But mechanics are not the the most deciding factor anymore. If your decision making is awful and you don't know what you're doing someone with far inferior mechanics will just destroy you. MMA lost to Goody at MLG for example and Goodys mechanics well ..... Most Code B players and a good chunk of western pros are def. better than what the BW players showed today. The point is the best BW pros have decision making + mechanics. Once BW guys get to the point they understand the game there's a lot more potential for them to be awesome/change some things in the metagame.
Maybe maybe not it will also definitly weed out some of the big names from BW because their skills other than their mechanics might not be up to par. Not everyone that is great at BW will be at SC2 just like people who weren't great in BW can be and already are great at SC2. The game is very different . And People will not be happy about this since some of their favorite players might start to become irrelevant.
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On May 21 2012 07:46 SupLilSon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 05:04 aZealot wrote:On May 20 2012 22:41 kyllinghest wrote:On May 20 2012 22:36 raga4ka wrote:
Effort looked the strongest from the non protoss players . Is protoss that much easy in SC 2 , never played it ... ? Well, it is perhaps the easiest race, as you just build towards your max and your army is very very strong. The other two races are more complex, and its understandable that its the protoss who dominate right now. It will probably balance itself out pretty fast as they practice more. Wait, what? The bolded is a matter of opinion. Best watch high level games, maybe play the race(s) and make up your own mind. I don't think it's a matter of opinion. We've seen time and time again that given 2 players who aren't practicing SC2 12+ hours a day, Protoss will be the stronger choice. It's just easier, requires less grasp on mechanics and game timings. You can afford to miss all your timings because lategame you have the strongest 1A. If Terran and Zerg miss timings, GG.
As I said, this is a matter of opinion regarding the complexity of Protoss and mastery of the race vis a vis other races.
He is better of watching high level play, trying out races himself and making up his own mind.
Personally, I 1A and 2A (admittedly, this can be difficult at times).
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effort's games were pretty fun. could work on the creep spread but he plays like early 2011 losira zerg (suicidal ling bling) with "patient" baneling explosions
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