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Steglich
Profile Joined September 2011
Denmark282 Posts
May 21 2012 00:30 GMT
#6201
On May 21 2012 09:08 aZealot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2012 07:46 SupLilSon wrote:
On May 21 2012 05:04 aZealot wrote:
On May 20 2012 22:41 kyllinghest wrote:
On May 20 2012 22:36 raga4ka wrote:
Effort looked the strongest from the non protoss players . Is protoss that much easy in SC 2 , never played it ... ?

Well, it is perhaps the easiest race, as you just build towards your max and your army is very very strong. The other two races are more complex, and its understandable that its the protoss who dominate right now. It will probably balance itself out pretty fast as they practice more.


Wait, what?

The bolded is a matter of opinion. Best watch high level games, maybe play the race(s) and make up your own mind.


I don't think it's a matter of opinion. We've seen time and time again that given 2 players who aren't practicing SC2 12+ hours a day, Protoss will be the stronger choice. It's just easier, requires less grasp on mechanics and game timings. You can afford to miss all your timings because lategame you have the strongest 1A. If Terran and Zerg miss timings, GG.


As I said, this is a matter of opinion regarding the complexity of Protoss and mastery of the race vis a vis other races.

He is better of watching high level play, trying out races himself and making up his own mind.

Personally, I 1A and 2A (admittedly, this can be difficult at times).


Well I have watched a ton of streams from all 3 races, and I play all races on a reasonable level (mid-high master). It took me around 3-4 months to get to master with zerg, like 1 month with terran and only a couple of days with protoss.
Protoss is easier to learn, but not necessarily stronger. Except for lategame.
aZealot
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
New Zealand5447 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-21 02:49:48
May 21 2012 00:34 GMT
#6202
Sure dude, but I didn't say easier to learn. I meant complexity and mastery (i.e at a pro level).

My own opinion is that I don't know. One reason why I pointed him to deciding himself is there are lots of axes to grind on TL.
KT best KT ~ 2014
darkest44
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1009 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-21 00:42:58
May 21 2012 00:41 GMT
#6203
Good fun. Anyone know when the next broadcast is? I'm looking forward to watching them improve at SC2, some of them already impressed me considering they've only been playing a few weeks/months and quite frankly a few seemed better than some foreigner pros already which is kind of lol.
EngrishTeacher
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Canada1109 Posts
May 21 2012 00:48 GMT
#6204
Ahahahahaha.

I lol'ed so hard watching some of the sc2 games on VODs.

It's like watching people with GM mechanics/multitasking playing at the game at diamond timings/strategy.

GOLD.
rysecake
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2632 Posts
May 21 2012 00:50 GMT
#6205
On May 21 2012 09:48 EngrishTeacher wrote:
Ahahahahaha.

I lol'ed so hard watching some of the sc2 games on VODs.

It's like watching people with GM mechanics/multitasking playing at the game at diamond timings/strategy.

GOLD.


That's exactly what it is. The best mechanical players in the world with no clue how the game works. Give them time and they will adapt.
The Notorious Winkles
EngrishTeacher
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Canada1109 Posts
May 21 2012 00:51 GMT
#6206
On May 21 2012 09:30 Steglich wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2012 09:08 aZealot wrote:
On May 21 2012 07:46 SupLilSon wrote:
On May 21 2012 05:04 aZealot wrote:
On May 20 2012 22:41 kyllinghest wrote:
On May 20 2012 22:36 raga4ka wrote:
Effort looked the strongest from the non protoss players . Is protoss that much easy in SC 2 , never played it ... ?

Well, it is perhaps the easiest race, as you just build towards your max and your army is very very strong. The other two races are more complex, and its understandable that its the protoss who dominate right now. It will probably balance itself out pretty fast as they practice more.


Wait, what?

The bolded is a matter of opinion. Best watch high level games, maybe play the race(s) and make up your own mind.


I don't think it's a matter of opinion. We've seen time and time again that given 2 players who aren't practicing SC2 12+ hours a day, Protoss will be the stronger choice. It's just easier, requires less grasp on mechanics and game timings. You can afford to miss all your timings because lategame you have the strongest 1A. If Terran and Zerg miss timings, GG.


As I said, this is a matter of opinion regarding the complexity of Protoss and mastery of the race vis a vis other races.

He is better of watching high level play, trying out races himself and making up his own mind.

Personally, I 1A and 2A (admittedly, this can be difficult at times).


Well I have watched a ton of streams from all 3 races, and I play all races on a reasonable level (mid-high master). It took me around 3-4 months to get to master with zerg, like 1 month with terran and only a couple of days with protoss.
Protoss is easier to learn, but not necessarily stronger. Except for lategame.


It's mostly due to the fact that as protoss (at lower than high master/GM level), you can just sit in your base and macro all day for the 1a2a3a 160+ supply push, whereas as the other races you have to either pressure/do damage mid-game, or react to cheese timings adequately.

Macro is ezpz; was macro'ing at NA diamond/master level the day I switched from BW, but it was the timings, scouting, reaction, etc. that take a long time to learn and master.
HappyTimePANDA
Profile Joined March 2012
United States167 Posts
May 21 2012 00:58 GMT
#6207
On May 21 2012 09:50 rysecake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2012 09:48 EngrishTeacher wrote:
Ahahahahaha.

I lol'ed so hard watching some of the sc2 games on VODs.

It's like watching people with GM mechanics/multitasking playing at the game at diamond timings/strategy.

GOLD.


That's exactly what it is. The best mechanical players in the world with no clue how the game works. Give them time and they will adapt.


Exactly. Mechanics are much easier in SC2 (huge control groups). I am still hoping for them being able to make MKP marine micro look bad, but right now they all look horrible
Violet | Leenock | Life | Symbol | Jaedong | DRG
Ruscour
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
5233 Posts
May 21 2012 01:02 GMT
#6208
Wait, Liquibets for SC2 count the Bo3 instead of the ace? Damn, 3/4 seeming as Lizzy's epicness didn't carry me :-/
StarscreamG1
Profile Joined February 2011
Portugal1653 Posts
May 21 2012 01:03 GMT
#6209
I realy liked jaedong, flash and jangbi. T and Z need more train...just that.
Their mechanincs and reaction times were really good.
Diizzy
Profile Joined August 2011
United States828 Posts
May 21 2012 01:03 GMT
#6210
someone make a cj vs team 8 LR thread
mjf
Profile Joined April 2010
United States436 Posts
May 21 2012 01:04 GMT
#6211
On May 21 2012 08:47 lysergic wrote:
why isn't there ratings like the gsl threads? what games are worth watching (including bw)? besides the obvious flash and jaedong ones.


jaedong's game was horrible
Aerisky
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States12129 Posts
May 21 2012 01:05 GMT
#6212
On May 21 2012 10:04 mjf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2012 08:47 lysergic wrote:
why isn't there ratings like the gsl threads? what games are worth watching (including bw)? besides the obvious flash and jaedong ones.


jaedong's game was horrible


Flash's game wasn't too hot either, but it's ok.

I'd say both of Lizzy's games were very entertaining, but I only watched as far as KT v CJ.
Jim while Johnny had had had had had had had; had had had had the better effect on the teacher.
torm3ntin
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil2534 Posts
May 21 2012 01:11 GMT
#6213
On May 21 2012 10:03 Diizzy wrote:
someone make a cj vs team 8 LR thread


yeah. also why TL is not listing it in the calendars?
Grubby and Ret fan, but a TERRAN player :D
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
May 21 2012 01:13 GMT
#6214
On May 21 2012 10:11 torm3ntin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2012 10:03 Diizzy wrote:
someone make a cj vs team 8 LR thread


yeah. also why TL is not listing it in the calendars?


It is on the TL calendar, you need to enable BW in your customization for it to show up, should probably fix that.
SupLilSon
Profile Joined October 2011
Malaysia4123 Posts
May 21 2012 01:14 GMT
#6215
On May 21 2012 09:58 HappyTimePANDA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2012 09:50 rysecake wrote:
On May 21 2012 09:48 EngrishTeacher wrote:
Ahahahahaha.

I lol'ed so hard watching some of the sc2 games on VODs.

It's like watching people with GM mechanics/multitasking playing at the game at diamond timings/strategy.

GOLD.


That's exactly what it is. The best mechanical players in the world with no clue how the game works. Give them time and they will adapt.


Exactly. Mechanics are much easier in SC2 (huge control groups). I am still hoping for them being able to make MKP marine micro look bad, but right now they all look horrible


They don't look horrible ;\. That first PvP game showcased some insane immortal/warp prism micro as well as micro on 2 fronts.
Zheega
Profile Joined June 2011
Slovenia180 Posts
May 21 2012 01:25 GMT
#6216
On May 21 2012 10:14 SupLilSon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2012 09:58 HappyTimePANDA wrote:
On May 21 2012 09:50 rysecake wrote:
On May 21 2012 09:48 EngrishTeacher wrote:
Ahahahahaha.

I lol'ed so hard watching some of the sc2 games on VODs.

It's like watching people with GM mechanics/multitasking playing at the game at diamond timings/strategy.

GOLD.


That's exactly what it is. The best mechanical players in the world with no clue how the game works. Give them time and they will adapt.


Exactly. Mechanics are much easier in SC2 (huge control groups). I am still hoping for them being able to make MKP marine micro look bad, but right now they all look horrible


They don't look horrible ;\. That first PvP game showcased some insane immortal/warp prism micro as well as micro on 2 fronts.

But the game was still not good... All SC2 games were on the level of GSL 2011 season 1
Will we see any BW pros playing in GLS/MLG against current SC2 pros?

And are there any netizen reactions yet?
Qaatar
Profile Joined January 2011
1409 Posts
May 21 2012 01:26 GMT
#6217
On May 21 2012 10:14 SupLilSon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2012 09:58 HappyTimePANDA wrote:
On May 21 2012 09:50 rysecake wrote:
On May 21 2012 09:48 EngrishTeacher wrote:
Ahahahahaha.

I lol'ed so hard watching some of the sc2 games on VODs.

It's like watching people with GM mechanics/multitasking playing at the game at diamond timings/strategy.

GOLD.


That's exactly what it is. The best mechanical players in the world with no clue how the game works. Give them time and they will adapt.


Exactly. Mechanics are much easier in SC2 (huge control groups). I am still hoping for them being able to make MKP marine micro look bad, but right now they all look horrible


They don't look horrible ;\. That first PvP game showcased some insane immortal/warp prism micro as well as micro on 2 fronts.


All of the "elephants" are still currently focusing on practicing for the last OSL of BW's history.

Honestly, I would wait for at least a couple of months after they have stopped focusing on BW entirely, which should be around November of this year (this bullshit dual-game Proleague ends in early September).

I facepalmed when I saw that these progamers had to practice for two games, as well as having to focus on BW for the OSL. No way can the games be good, and today was the realization of my fears. The BW sucked ass, with the exception of a couple games, and so did the SC2.
sluggaslamoo
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Australia4494 Posts
May 21 2012 01:35 GMT
#6218
On May 21 2012 08:47 lysergic wrote:
why isn't there ratings like the gsl threads? what games are worth watching (including bw)? besides the obvious flash and jaedong ones.


There should be, checkout the Team A vs Team B threads in bw tourney section.
Come play Android Netrunner - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=409008
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
May 21 2012 01:39 GMT
#6219
On May 21 2012 09:30 Steglich wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2012 09:08 aZealot wrote:
On May 21 2012 07:46 SupLilSon wrote:
On May 21 2012 05:04 aZealot wrote:
On May 20 2012 22:41 kyllinghest wrote:
On May 20 2012 22:36 raga4ka wrote:
Effort looked the strongest from the non protoss players . Is protoss that much easy in SC 2 , never played it ... ?

Well, it is perhaps the easiest race, as you just build towards your max and your army is very very strong. The other two races are more complex, and its understandable that its the protoss who dominate right now. It will probably balance itself out pretty fast as they practice more.


Wait, what?

The bolded is a matter of opinion. Best watch high level games, maybe play the race(s) and make up your own mind.


I don't think it's a matter of opinion. We've seen time and time again that given 2 players who aren't practicing SC2 12+ hours a day, Protoss will be the stronger choice. It's just easier, requires less grasp on mechanics and game timings. You can afford to miss all your timings because lategame you have the strongest 1A. If Terran and Zerg miss timings, GG.


As I said, this is a matter of opinion regarding the complexity of Protoss and mastery of the race vis a vis other races.

He is better of watching high level play, trying out races himself and making up his own mind.

Personally, I 1A and 2A (admittedly, this can be difficult at times).


Well I have watched a ton of streams from all 3 races, and I play all races on a reasonable level (mid-high master). It took me around 3-4 months to get to master with zerg, like 1 month with terran and only a couple of days with protoss.
Protoss is easier to learn, but not necessarily stronger. Except for lategame.

I think the reason P did well isn't cause it's necessarily easier to pick up, but because they have the strongest deathball. From all the Sc2 matches I watched the players were all at a point where they would macro up on 2-3 bases, build shit, then try to attack. A couple drops were (poorly) tried and thwarted, and the games were all decided by armies colliding into each other. When you have all races doing that of course P is going to come out on top, by design they have the strongest deathball. It's not a matter of learning the race- all the pros seemed to be at relatively the same stage of development- it's just that where they're at is reminiscent of 2011 meta where P seemed OP because all P did in non mirror matches was defend until max and push out. Since all the BW pros were doing the same, they won as well.
pm_squad
Profile Joined April 2010
Mexico180 Posts
May 21 2012 02:46 GMT
#6220
When is the next game/series for the SPL? Is it today?
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