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Rellit
Profile Joined March 2012
Singapore92 Posts
May 02 2012 10:54 GMT
#3521
that immortal zoning by parting is really brillant
vndods
Profile Joined October 2011
United States3743 Posts
May 02 2012 10:54 GMT
#3522
On May 02 2012 19:52 Pure-SC2 wrote:
I think Oz is trying to think outside the box too much. His standard PvP used to be so strong, then he seemed to hit a bit of a wall and now we keep seeing these complete wacky (double gas steal/nexus first) builds that look amazingly complex and then just die.

I love creativity, but it's like he goes into it with confidence but just doesnt work against top PvP's. Is it a practise partner problem?

Last I heard he and Hero practice PvP together, no?
Eufouria
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom4425 Posts
May 02 2012 10:54 GMT
#3523
On May 02 2012 19:50 vndods wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 19:50 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Parting balling haaaaaaaaaard. Can't see him losing this now.

He could always pull a Bomber yo.

Imagine you could manner chrono boost your opponents stuff.
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
May 02 2012 10:54 GMT
#3524
I just tuned in, can someone recap Naniwa vs MVP series and the two last games of PvP? Only need brief information about the first series, curious though what BO PartinG and Oz went for in both games! :D
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
masterchip27
Profile Joined April 2011
United States284 Posts
May 02 2012 10:54 GMT
#3525
On May 02 2012 19:47 Zzoram wrote:
How can people say cheesy games don't show who the better player is? Why do you all buy into Idra's losing mentality that only long macro games count as real games?

Being able to defend rushes is a skill too, one that foreigners typically sorely lack since they have some mental block where they refuse to cheese each other and as a result never get practice against it.


I agree... just wish the games were entertaining and both players played well
OMGKEI
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia590 Posts
May 02 2012 10:54 GMT
#3526
GO parting!!
unknownGamer
Profile Joined April 2012
288 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-02 10:55:24
May 02 2012 10:54 GMT
#3527
On May 02 2012 19:52 Doomwish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 19:50 m0ck wrote:
On May 02 2012 19:47 Zzoram wrote:
How can people say cheesy games don't show who the better player is? Why do you all buy into Idra's losing mentality that only long macro games count as real games?

Being able to defend rushes is a skill too, one that foreigners typically sorely lack since they have some mental block where they refuse to cheese each other and as a result never get practice against it.

Cheese is coin-flipping. Hard-counter some builds, auto-lose against others. It's legitimate in that it wins games, but it doesn't tell you who the better player is.


Crisis management is a huge part of being a good player.

Naniwa has a greedy play style and got punished for it as he has many times in the past..gateway on 15? thats just needless risk , he cuts too many corners in his builds to try get ahead.

That is the reason why he wins though. I don't give a damn what naniwa fans think, but naniwa basically goes all out econ heavy in the early game and has this timing windows that he does in the midgame, that is where his 2 base shines, its because of his econ heavy lead. If he plays standard without cutting corners I guarantee his 2 base all in won't be as strong and would be easily defeated.
Mentalizor
Profile Joined January 2011
Denmark1596 Posts
May 02 2012 10:55 GMT
#3528
On May 02 2012 19:52 sc14s wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 19:50 vndods wrote:
On May 02 2012 19:50 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Parting balling haaaaaaaaaard. Can't see him losing this now.

He could always pull a Bomber yo.

plz bomber don't rub off on parting


Please... it's not like they're on the same... team... oh...
(yಠ,ಠ)y - Y U NO ALL IN? - rtsAlaran: " I somehow sit inside the bus.Hot_Bit giving me a massage"
iky43210
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States2099 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-02 10:55:53
May 02 2012 10:55 GMT
#3529
On May 02 2012 19:53 xN.07)MaK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 19:51 iky43210 wrote:
On May 02 2012 19:45 SolidZeal wrote:
Well, justice will be served, MVP vs PartinG... roflstomp

Still kinda hope that Oz can come back to make a few epic PvP's.

Oh and I'm calling it right now, PartinG vs HerO in the finals.


I don't know why people like artosis and LR constantly counts out MVP. He's still the most accomplished sc2 player to date, and have been in code S for a very long time.

Even last season he was only 1 game away from making into round of 8. And a season before that in round of 4

He probably been in round of 4 or higher more than he has not


Because we have eyes, and this is not the MVP we were used to. Call it carpal tunnel, call it PvT era or w/e. Everything not a 3-0 or 3-1 for parting will be a big surprise for me.


Using your eyes is deceptive, especially there aren't that many games you can see per season. How do you count someone out who has constantly been able to get into the round of 4 or higher nearly every season?
CursivE
Profile Joined February 2012
Australia317 Posts
May 02 2012 10:55 GMT
#3530
On May 02 2012 19:53 Eee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 19:51 CursivE wrote:
On May 02 2012 19:50 Eee wrote:
On May 02 2012 19:23 trinxified wrote:
GUARANTEED if Naniwa won his games with cheese, it would be "outclassing and outplaying" Mvp up to the max.

Seriously? if anyone gets crap for 2-base timings its MC LOL. T_T


Fixed it for you.

I dont think MC gets that much hate for them though? Like i see people posting on a daily basis "Naniwa doesn't know how to play macro games, he just goes for 2-base all in bla bla". MC has a lot more respect in the community.

w/e man, It's just sad that he gets that much hate. "/


Either way, they both deserve nothing but our respect.
MC || HuK || MMA || Squirtle || TLO || Sea || HerO || MarineKing || MVP || NesTea
GodOfWar
Profile Joined December 2011
870 Posts
May 02 2012 10:55 GMT
#3531
MVP vs PartinG should be good, cant wait for this one
Mvp Moon Squirtle
Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
May 02 2012 10:55 GMT
#3532
On May 02 2012 19:50 m0ck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 19:47 Zzoram wrote:
How can people say cheesy games don't show who the better player is? Why do you all buy into Idra's losing mentality that only long macro games count as real games?

Being able to defend rushes is a skill too, one that foreigners typically sorely lack since they have some mental block where they refuse to cheese each other and as a result never get practice against it.

Cheese is coin-flipping. Hard-counter some builds, auto-lose against others. It's legitimate in that it wins games, but it doesn't tell you who the better player is.


I disagree. Most cheeses are possible to scout or read, and if something looks suspicious a good player should take some defensive measures. Naniwa using probe scouting found the proxy rax and should've held in that last game but he didn't take it seriously enough. With rax so far from his main, MVP was clearly going to send more SCVs and not float them back and switch into a long game, so Naniwa assuming there were no SCVs coming was really bad game sense.

Also, in Game 2 he had a chance to scout MVP's natural for a maka rax, something that is actually pretty common in series, but he didn't do it even though he wasn't being chased by a marine. That was again poor decision making. It would've been 1 extra rally click to take a look but he didn't think of doing it.

Naniwa is a good player but he needs to practice defending rushes more, and also develop better scouting habits to improve his ability to scout or read rushes earlier.
Porcelina
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United Kingdom3249 Posts
May 02 2012 10:55 GMT
#3533
'Too bad I put razors in my ladder points'.

Funny.
takingbackoj
Profile Joined December 2010
United States684 Posts
May 02 2012 10:56 GMT
#3534
On May 02 2012 19:54 Hamdemon wrote:
In case anyone cares Yellow's LoL team is playing right now http://www.ognlol.com/index.php they're actually pretty good for what it's worth being good at LoL. I just can't bear anymore bad gameplay and yet took too much caffiene for this to sleep.

Do you get commission or something?
Get the hell outta here Der Beek, your'e ruining my moment.
shArklight
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Singapore160 Posts
May 02 2012 10:56 GMT
#3535
On May 02 2012 19:55 CursivE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 19:53 Eee wrote:
On May 02 2012 19:51 CursivE wrote:
On May 02 2012 19:50 Eee wrote:
On May 02 2012 19:23 trinxified wrote:
GUARANTEED if Naniwa won his games with cheese, it would be "outclassing and outplaying" Mvp up to the max.

Seriously? if anyone gets crap for 2-base timings its MC LOL. T_T


Fixed it for you.

I dont think MC gets that much hate for them though? Like i see people posting on a daily basis "Naniwa doesn't know how to play macro games, he just goes for 2-base all in bla bla". MC has a lot more respect in the community.

w/e man, It's just sad that he gets that much hate. "/


Either way, they both deserve nothing but our respect.


I can respect both...but I'll only respect Naniwa for his play. That's about it.
Happiness is never grand.
MCXD
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Australia2738 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-02 10:56:57
May 02 2012 10:56 GMT
#3536
Edit: Disregard this.
masterchip27
Profile Joined April 2011
United States284 Posts
May 02 2012 10:56 GMT
#3537
On May 02 2012 19:54 eYeball wrote:
I just tuned in, can someone recap Naniwa vs MVP series and the two last games of PvP? Only need brief information about the first series, curious though what BO PartinG and Oz went for in both games! :D


mvp wins game 1, brings a lot of scvs with 2-base timing
mvp wins game 2, brings all scvs with marines
naniwa wins game 3, blink obs
mvp wins game 3, brings scv's with proxy 2 rax

oz goes nexus first, parting wins with blink
oz 4gates with blink, parting has 2 immortals to defend, kills oz
Aunvilgod
Profile Joined December 2011
2653 Posts
May 02 2012 10:56 GMT
#3538
On May 02 2012 19:33 AsnSensation wrote:
That series reminded me of Chelsea vs. Barca last week :D

Like people here thought that Naniwa played/is sooo much better Barca had 84% Ball possession but Chelsea ( MVP) just applied Bunker tactics and always had at least 10 players "bunkering" their side :D


Sometimes the shift-button smiles so nice to us germans, doesn´t he?
ilovegroov | Blizzards mapmaker(s?) suck ass | #1 Protoss hater
pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-02 10:57:34
May 02 2012 10:56 GMT
#3539
On May 02 2012 19:53 trinxified wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 19:52 pdd wrote:
On May 02 2012 19:49 trinxified wrote:
Those two immortals zoned out was more of a BM move than a sick strategy lol... It wasn't needed at all. He could've just left them in his base for extra safety.

Disagree. It was more of a spur of the moment move as his Immortals were already in that area. And it also allowed him to keep track of where the Stalkers were and put him in the initiative so that Oz couldn't do as he pleased (blink on top of immortals, preventing them from microing). By zoning them out there, he gave the immortals space to micro and did a lot more than just leaving them at base.


Actually leaving the immortals at base was the "best" decision as it slows down any possibility of a base trade.

Not really. The immortals were already at the 3rd location (after they destroyed Oz's pylon there) when Parting pushed out.

Did you see how far the Immortals drove the Stalkers back? By the time the immortal died, Parting was in Oz's base.

If he brought his Immortals back to base, the Stalkers would have rushed for Parting's main (if he wanted to go for the base trade), blinked on top of the immortals and kill them much faster.
TI4 Champions: EE-Sama | B7-God | A-God_2000 | Kappa Lord | pieliedie
duct_TAPE
Profile Joined May 2011
492 Posts
May 02 2012 10:57 GMT
#3540
On May 02 2012 19:20 -TesteR- wrote:
I gues mvp was still scared of Naniwa after losing to him in macro games from MLG GI


I guess MvP had good builds prepared for a greedy Naniwa
"WHAT!? but I thought there was only one way in Canada!" "Yeah, and y'all went the wrong direction on it"
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