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fanvadmeck
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden112 Posts
May 02 2012 10:57 GMT
#3541
Would love to see a cannonrush on Daybreak, so bad designed for PvP.
| Startale | Quantic | Liquid FTW!
Theovide
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden914 Posts
May 02 2012 10:57 GMT
#3542
On May 02 2012 19:54 eYeball wrote:
I just tuned in, can someone recap Naniwa vs MVP series and the two last games of PvP? Only need brief information about the first series, curious though what BO PartinG and Oz went for in both games! :D

MVP did two marine scv allins (one 2 rax proxy one 3 rax with 2 semi proxy), two 2 base timing pushes with tank and mm. Naniwa held one of the 2 base timings, lost to the 3 other builds.

Parting is crushing Oz face, Oz went for some kind of forge and expand build in game 1 and just died, then 4 gate blink allin vs immortals and just died.
Soma.bokforlag
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden448 Posts
May 02 2012 10:57 GMT
#3543
On May 02 2012 19:54 masterchip27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 19:47 Zzoram wrote:
How can people say cheesy games don't show who the better player is? Why do you all buy into Idra's losing mentality that only long macro games count as real games?

Being able to defend rushes is a skill too, one that foreigners typically sorely lack since they have some mental block where they refuse to cheese each other and as a result never get practice against it.


I agree... just wish the games were entertaining and both players played well


really? you thought naniwa played well? i think it was clear he had some serious nerve issues and probably got a little tilted by the marine-scv-all in och entombed valley
iky43210
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States2099 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-02 10:59:35
May 02 2012 10:57 GMT
#3544
On May 02 2012 19:56 MCXD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 19:55 iky43210 wrote:
On May 02 2012 19:53 xN.07)MaK wrote:
On May 02 2012 19:51 iky43210 wrote:
On May 02 2012 19:45 SolidZeal wrote:
Well, justice will be served, MVP vs PartinG... roflstomp

Still kinda hope that Oz can come back to make a few epic PvP's.

Oh and I'm calling it right now, PartinG vs HerO in the finals.


I don't know why people like artosis and LR constantly counts out MVP. He's still the most accomplished sc2 player to date, and have been in code S for a very long time.

Even last season he was only 1 game away from making into round of 8. And a season before that in round of 4

He probably been in round of 4 or higher more than he has not


Because we have eyes, and this is not the MVP we were used to. Call it carpal tunnel, call it PvT era or w/e. Everything not a 3-0 or 3-1 for parting will be a big surprise for me.


Using your eyes is deceptive, especially there aren't that many games you can see per season. How do you count someone out who has constantly been able to get into the round of 4 or higher nearly every season?


Because he never had to use blind cheese almost 3 games in a row to do it before?


"blind" cheese against someone who is known for going constantly forge expand 4 times in a row against zerg despite losing to 6 pool 3 times in the same game set?

Naniwa is not known for being flexible with his build. why would you not exploit that

MVP is probably the best sc2 player out there that use specific build against players and play mind games
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
May 02 2012 10:58 GMT
#3545
On May 02 2012 19:56 masterchip27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 19:54 eYeball wrote:
I just tuned in, can someone recap Naniwa vs MVP series and the two last games of PvP? Only need brief information about the first series, curious though what BO PartinG and Oz went for in both games! :D


mvp wins game 1, brings a lot of scvs with 2-base timing
mvp wins game 2, brings all scvs with marines
naniwa wins game 3, blink obs
mvp wins game 3, brings scv's with proxy 2 rax

oz goes nexus first, parting wins with blink
oz 4gates with blink, parting has 2 immortals to defend, kills oz


Okey, thank you very much!
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
May 02 2012 10:58 GMT
#3546
Game three on daybreak

In the bottom left is Oz

In the top right is Parting
vndods
Profile Joined October 2011
United States3743 Posts
May 02 2012 10:58 GMT
#3547
Actually, thats a pretty good reason Artosis.
Fanta_Rules
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden669 Posts
May 02 2012 10:58 GMT
#3548
On May 02 2012 19:53 zezamer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 19:50 Fanta_Rules wrote:
On May 02 2012 19:47 zezamer wrote:
Swedes are so bad losers

Yeah, like Finns in hockey.


proving my point, still bitter from Finland stomping Sweden last year? :D

I had actually forgotten about that. Guess playing against Finland in the world cup isn't such a big deal to me, since we almost always win. Actually, now that I think about it, I use to feel sorry for you and even rooted for you that time. You needed that win!
najreteip
Profile Joined December 2010
Belgium4158 Posts
May 02 2012 10:58 GMT
#3549
Did Tasteless just say he was going to eat our children?
I have no quote!
bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
May 02 2012 10:58 GMT
#3550
Artosis digging deep looking for explanations? haha
Mvp - Leenock - Dongraegu - MC - Gumiho - Keen - Polt - Squirtle - Jjakji - Genius - Seed - Life - sC - Dream || LG-IM - MVP - FXO
masterchip27
Profile Joined April 2011
United States284 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-02 10:58:56
May 02 2012 10:58 GMT
#3551
On May 02 2012 19:58 eYeball wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 19:56 masterchip27 wrote:
On May 02 2012 19:54 eYeball wrote:
I just tuned in, can someone recap Naniwa vs MVP series and the two last games of PvP? Only need brief information about the first series, curious though what BO PartinG and Oz went for in both games! :D


mvp wins game 1, brings a lot of scvs with 2-base timing
mvp wins game 2, brings all scvs with marines
naniwa wins game 3, blink obs
mvp wins game 3, brings scv's with proxy 2 rax

oz goes nexus first, parting wins with blink
oz 4gates with blink, parting has 2 immortals to defend, kills oz


Okey, thank you very much!


youll be able to find the game recaps for more details in the LR thread
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
May 02 2012 10:58 GMT
#3552
On May 02 2012 19:58 Drazerk wrote:
Game three on daybreak

In the bottom left is Oz

In the top right is Parting


3:00

Second gas for both players along with their cyber cores

Parting moving out to scout
theBALLS
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Singapore2935 Posts
May 02 2012 10:59 GMT
#3553
Gateway behind minerals are to prevent cannon rush
If you lose the stick, you'll always have theBALLS.
Ktk
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Korea (South)753 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-02 10:59:28
May 02 2012 10:59 GMT
#3554
On May 02 2012 19:53 Soma.bokforlag wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 19:47 Zzoram wrote:
How can people say cheesy games don't show who the better player is? Why do you all buy into Idra's losing mentality that only long macro games count as real games?

Being able to defend rushes is a skill too, one that foreigners typically sorely lack since they have some mental block where they refuse to cheese each other and as a result never get practice against it.


if you can stop a cheese, you either win or the game moves on to the macro phase - and stopping cheese is generally easier to learn than "learn how to play a solid macro game", therefore cheese almost always is a risky and desperate move taken by a lesser player.

on the other hand, if you are better at playing macro games, this is, as i mentioned very hard for the opponent in a easy way "counter" or practice against.

by perfecting a cheese you get a small weapon that works a few times, but by getting good macro you could argue that you are the better player.


So... Almost all protosses are suddenly better than every terran player now? I can't currently think of a protoss with a losing ratio post 25 minutes from these GSL stats bars. Oz is the lowest by far I've seen at 67% (which is probably 2/3).

It's equally important to not die in the first 12 minutes of the game than to go on macro cruise control >25mins in.

::Calling 3-0, suspicious play from oz
MCXD
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Australia2738 Posts
May 02 2012 10:59 GMT
#3555
On May 02 2012 19:57 iky43210 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 19:56 MCXD wrote:
On May 02 2012 19:55 iky43210 wrote:
On May 02 2012 19:53 xN.07)MaK wrote:
On May 02 2012 19:51 iky43210 wrote:
On May 02 2012 19:45 SolidZeal wrote:
Well, justice will be served, MVP vs PartinG... roflstomp

Still kinda hope that Oz can come back to make a few epic PvP's.

Oh and I'm calling it right now, PartinG vs HerO in the finals.


I don't know why people like artosis and LR constantly counts out MVP. He's still the most accomplished sc2 player to date, and have been in code S for a very long time.

Even last season he was only 1 game away from making into round of 8. And a season before that in round of 4

He probably been in round of 4 or higher more than he has not


Because we have eyes, and this is not the MVP we were used to. Call it carpal tunnel, call it PvT era or w/e. Everything not a 3-0 or 3-1 for parting will be a big surprise for me.


Using your eyes is deceptive, especially there aren't that many games you can see per season. How do you count someone out who has constantly been able to get into the round of 4 or higher nearly every season?


Because he never had to use blind cheese almost 3 games in a row to do it before?


"blind" cheese against someone who is known for going constantly forge expand 4 times in a row against zerg despite getting 6 pooled 3 times in the same game set?

Naniwa is not known for being flexible with his build. why would you not exploit that


Well Naniwa is totally retarded for not changing it up then. But it's not like MVP is a genius and displaying superb skill by doing it that way.
DropTester
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia608 Posts
May 02 2012 10:59 GMT
#3556
On May 02 2012 19:49 trinxified wrote:
Those two immortals zoned out was more of a BM move than a sick strategy lol... It wasn't needed at all. He could've just left them in his base for extra safety.


I think if the immortals were in the base then oz could have combined his army and took out parting's army in the middle of the map.
Halvhir
Profile Joined July 2011
United States23 Posts
May 02 2012 10:59 GMT
#3557
On May 02 2012 19:50 Akhee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 19:48 Halvhir wrote:
Not sure I'm getting the "brilliance" from parting that Tasteless seems to get... going aggro after seeing a nexus first and one clever trick with immortals backing down stalkers? Yeah it's impressive as hell to see the micro and decision making, but I get the sense that Oz is just being greedy/predictable...


he robo bays cancel 2 times, then zones stalkers as hes pushing, you seriously didnt see it?


Well yes, that's part of the decision making but worthy of noting. xD

Not saying it isn't impressive! Just not feeling 'brilliant' is justified, more about Oz making some poor choices and PartinG capitalizing.
EG.HuK | ST_PartinG | Liquid_HerO ... unrepentant Protoss fanboi
ACrow
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6583 Posts
May 02 2012 10:59 GMT
#3558
The gateway is behind the minerals so it will be finished before a scout arrives, so it is not as obvious that it's gas first. Would it be in the front it'd still be warping in when a standard 12 gateway scout arrives.
Get off my lawn, young punks
HeroMystic
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1217 Posts
May 02 2012 10:59 GMT
#3559
Oh I see. Oz placed his buildings there to avoid a walled in Cannon rush.
Onlinejaguar
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia2823 Posts
May 02 2012 10:59 GMT
#3560
wow Oz going for DT gimmicks now.
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