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On May 01 2012 18:50 SeeKeR wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 18:46 Jehct wrote:On May 01 2012 18:44 SeeKeR wrote:On May 01 2012 18:42 Talack wrote:On May 01 2012 18:40 Fragile51 wrote:On May 01 2012 18:39 Talack wrote:
This is the problem I have with infestors.
When I see this happen, I don't think to myself "Oh wow that was incredible, such good play/micro out of the zerg player"
I think to myself "Why would this spell be in the game...Why would the put in a rooting spell that does so much damage? Why would they think it's exciting to watch or use?"
GG regardless, keen made some good play but misread and overextended over the course of the game. Well to be fair, when that happens it's usually due to a complete lack of spreading by terran. Getting that many marines fungaled in place by one fungal is simply unacceptable. I know but like, Watching an entire end -game battle come down to not even an engagement but just... "hey a fungal landed, now that entire pack of units is dead and there is nothing you can do about it" is really...Not fun to watch. It's just a mechanic that shouldn't be in the game. This is really true. Even in BW, plagues did a FUCKTON of dmg but it never froze u in place. Fungals do seem a bit unfair :/ This is a solid discussion, but it's totally irrelevant to that game. If those were plagues/storms the same thing would've happened - the entire fucking marine ball got hit (by three fungals). There are times to bitch about fungal but that isn't really one of them; the game was decided whether it rooted or not. Appreciating that Golden pulled that off (because there was more to that than most spellcasting in SC2) would be more appropriate. I wouldn't quite say it is irrelevant to the game. Imagine all those marines that were funglaed last game. What killed all of them off? It was because they were froze in place that Golden could keep throwing fungals on top of the already fungaled marines because they were just frozen there. In BW, u plague a group of marines, but T could micro them back, and not lose them all to just spells
Exactly. TOo many people are missing the point of the whole discussion.
When you land a storm, you can do something about it, you can eat it, you can dodge it, you can try and juke it out you can do lots of things.
When you land a fungal, you just ignore those units cause 100% there is not a thing you can do. Nothing at all. Those units will die and you don't have a choice in the matter.
Stuff like that, SHOULD NOT be in the game. Nothing should be an absolute.
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On May 01 2012 18:50 SeeKeR wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 18:46 Jehct wrote:On May 01 2012 18:44 SeeKeR wrote:On May 01 2012 18:42 Talack wrote:On May 01 2012 18:40 Fragile51 wrote:On May 01 2012 18:39 Talack wrote:
This is the problem I have with infestors.
When I see this happen, I don't think to myself "Oh wow that was incredible, such good play/micro out of the zerg player"
I think to myself "Why would this spell be in the game...Why would the put in a rooting spell that does so much damage? Why would they think it's exciting to watch or use?"
GG regardless, keen made some good play but misread and overextended over the course of the game. Well to be fair, when that happens it's usually due to a complete lack of spreading by terran. Getting that many marines fungaled in place by one fungal is simply unacceptable. I know but like, Watching an entire end -game battle come down to not even an engagement but just... "hey a fungal landed, now that entire pack of units is dead and there is nothing you can do about it" is really...Not fun to watch. It's just a mechanic that shouldn't be in the game. This is really true. Even in BW, plagues did a FUCKTON of dmg but it never froze u in place. Fungals do seem a bit unfair :/ This is a solid discussion, but it's totally irrelevant to that game. If those were plagues/storms the same thing would've happened - the entire fucking marine ball got hit (by three fungals). There are times to bitch about fungal but that isn't really one of them; the game was decided whether it rooted or not. Appreciating that Golden pulled that off (because there was more to that than most spellcasting in SC2) would be more appropriate. I wouldn't quite say it is irrelevant to the game. Imagine all those marines that were funglaed last game. What killed all of them off? It was because they were froze in place that Golden could keep throwing fungals on top of the already fungaled marines because they were just frozen there. In BW, u plague a group of marines, but T could micro them back, and not lose them all to just spells
At the end they died to broodlords/siege splash; he only got one fungal on each group of units (because the infestors got exploded by siege tanks after unburrowing lol).
On May 01 2012 18:51 Talack wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 18:50 SeeKeR wrote:On May 01 2012 18:46 Jehct wrote:On May 01 2012 18:44 SeeKeR wrote:On May 01 2012 18:42 Talack wrote:On May 01 2012 18:40 Fragile51 wrote:On May 01 2012 18:39 Talack wrote:
This is the problem I have with infestors.
When I see this happen, I don't think to myself "Oh wow that was incredible, such good play/micro out of the zerg player"
I think to myself "Why would this spell be in the game...Why would the put in a rooting spell that does so much damage? Why would they think it's exciting to watch or use?"
GG regardless, keen made some good play but misread and overextended over the course of the game. Well to be fair, when that happens it's usually due to a complete lack of spreading by terran. Getting that many marines fungaled in place by one fungal is simply unacceptable. I know but like, Watching an entire end -game battle come down to not even an engagement but just... "hey a fungal landed, now that entire pack of units is dead and there is nothing you can do about it" is really...Not fun to watch. It's just a mechanic that shouldn't be in the game. This is really true. Even in BW, plagues did a FUCKTON of dmg but it never froze u in place. Fungals do seem a bit unfair :/ This is a solid discussion, but it's totally irrelevant to that game. If those were plagues/storms the same thing would've happened - the entire fucking marine ball got hit (by three fungals). There are times to bitch about fungal but that isn't really one of them; the game was decided whether it rooted or not. Appreciating that Golden pulled that off (because there was more to that than most spellcasting in SC2) would be more appropriate. I wouldn't quite say it is irrelevant to the game. Imagine all those marines that were funglaed last game. What killed all of them off? It was because they were froze in place that Golden could keep throwing fungals on top of the already fungaled marines because they were just frozen there. In BW, u plague a group of marines, but T could micro them back, and not lose them all to just spells Exactly. TOo many people are missing the point of the whole discussion. When you land a storm, you can do something about it, you can eat it, you can dodge it, you can try and juke it out you can do lots of things. When you land a fungal, you just ignore those units cause 100% there is not a thing you can do. Nothing at all. Those units will die and you don't have a choice in the matter. Stuff like that, SHOULD NOT be in the game. Nothing should be an absolute.
As I said, I agree with the argument but there are places to discuss that and there was no real prompt there. That game was decided by really good spellcasting, not by OP fungal growths - he didn't get a fungal on a clump of vikings and the game ended, he got three really nice fungals on packs of marines in the lategame. 90% of those marines die against any decently powerful spell.
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On May 01 2012 18:50 Fragile51 wrote:Well...you're no kingxXx but appreciate the effort nonetheless :p
Huh..... what happened to that guy?
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Well won by Keen, really loved his play!
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Where dat snitch at?37118 Posts
Poll: Rate Keen vs Golden Game 2★★★★ (14) 47% ★★★ (12) 40% ★★ (3) 10% ★ (1) 3% ★★★★★ (0) 0% 30 total votes Your vote: Rate Keen vs Golden Game 2 (Vote): ★★★★★
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On May 01 2012 18:52 SeeKeR wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 18:50 Fragile51 wrote:Well...you're no kingxXx but appreciate the effort nonetheless :p Huh..... what happened to that guy?
I dunno but he's not here so..yeah :p
Maybe he lost his passion?!
gg by golden! Still putting up quite a fight
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On May 01 2012 18:27 SeeKeR wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 18:25 DOUDOU wrote:SeeKeROn May 01 2012 18:13 DOUDOU wrote:
SeeKeR, i like the star system, but can you ask TL staff if there is a way they can show average result, cause when i browse recomended game i have trouble seeing which one are really worth it between the good games? just so you see Hmmm...... I guess I could ask R1CH about it and see if they have anything like that
I remember in previous threads people were talking about an option to display the poll results in a fixed order... if you select that option the polls will look very nice i.e.
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gl wp! Golden implying Keen just got lucky  ?
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Despite Golden losing that game I was more impressed by his play then Keen's in the second game.
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That build is so technical, even thought I'm a zerg, but I love it!
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Golden was so sturdy this last game
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On May 01 2012 18:53 Resolve wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 18:27 SeeKeR wrote:On May 01 2012 18:25 DOUDOU wrote:SeeKeROn May 01 2012 18:13 DOUDOU wrote:
SeeKeR, i like the star system, but can you ask TL staff if there is a way they can show average result, cause when i browse recomended game i have trouble seeing which one are really worth it between the good games? just so you see Hmmm...... I guess I could ask R1CH about it and see if they have anything like that I remember in previous threads people were talking about an option to display the poll results in a fixed order... if you select that option the polls will look very nice i.e. ***** |||||||||| **** ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| *** ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| ** ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| * ||||| for an average game and ***** |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| **** |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| *** ||||||||||||||||||||||||||| ** |||| * || for a recommended game
Thing is that option doesn't work. Maybe R1CH could fix it though.
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On May 01 2012 18:51 Talack wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 18:50 SeeKeR wrote:On May 01 2012 18:46 Jehct wrote:On May 01 2012 18:44 SeeKeR wrote:On May 01 2012 18:42 Talack wrote:On May 01 2012 18:40 Fragile51 wrote:On May 01 2012 18:39 Talack wrote:
This is the problem I have with infestors.
When I see this happen, I don't think to myself "Oh wow that was incredible, such good play/micro out of the zerg player"
I think to myself "Why would this spell be in the game...Why would the put in a rooting spell that does so much damage? Why would they think it's exciting to watch or use?"
GG regardless, keen made some good play but misread and overextended over the course of the game. Well to be fair, when that happens it's usually due to a complete lack of spreading by terran. Getting that many marines fungaled in place by one fungal is simply unacceptable. I know but like, Watching an entire end -game battle come down to not even an engagement but just... "hey a fungal landed, now that entire pack of units is dead and there is nothing you can do about it" is really...Not fun to watch. It's just a mechanic that shouldn't be in the game. This is really true. Even in BW, plagues did a FUCKTON of dmg but it never froze u in place. Fungals do seem a bit unfair :/ This is a solid discussion, but it's totally irrelevant to that game. If those were plagues/storms the same thing would've happened - the entire fucking marine ball got hit (by three fungals). There are times to bitch about fungal but that isn't really one of them; the game was decided whether it rooted or not. Appreciating that Golden pulled that off (because there was more to that than most spellcasting in SC2) would be more appropriate. I wouldn't quite say it is irrelevant to the game. Imagine all those marines that were funglaed last game. What killed all of them off? It was because they were froze in place that Golden could keep throwing fungals on top of the already fungaled marines because they were just frozen there. In BW, u plague a group of marines, but T could micro them back, and not lose them all to just spells Exactly. TOo many people are missing the point of the whole discussion. When you land a storm, you can do something about it, you can eat it, you can dodge it, you can try and juke it out you can do lots of things. When you land a fungal, you just ignore those units cause 100% there is not a thing you can do. Nothing at all. Those units will die and you don't have a choice in the matter. Stuff like that, SHOULD NOT be in the game. Nothing should be an absolute.
The biggest problem with Fungal is that it removes micro mechanics from the game rather than add to them.
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khaldor looks like Hitman
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Golden looks like a combination of Jjakji and Genius (or maybe puzzle) IMO =S
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