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Ro16 7 P > 5 advance
From the ro16 to ro8, the only Protoss to actually get knocked out by a non-Protoss was Genius. Just sayin
And even then Genius lost to one P.
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On April 27 2012 00:23 Hakanfrog wrote:
Man if protoss doesn´t win this GSL I doubt they ever will.
Protoss HAS won a GSL.
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How can anyone look at Parting vs MKP game 1 and say that they wherent blown away by PartinGs stalker micro? thats what make protoss entertaining to watch. No other race can really display that kind of outstanding micro.
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On April 27 2012 00:30 S_SienZ wrote:
Ro16 7 P > 5 advance
From the ro16 to ro8, the only Protoss to actually get knocked out by a non-Protoss was Genius. Just sayin
And even then Genius lost to one P.
MC lost to Maru. He had to lose to another Protoss to get knocked out because the only other people in his group were Protoss. The only Terran to get knocked out by only non-Terrans was Maru.
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Austria24422 Posts
On April 27 2012 00:27 forsooth wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2012 00:13 DarkLordOlli wrote:On April 26 2012 23:52 Derez wrote:On April 26 2012 23:04 DarkLordOlli wrote:On April 26 2012 22:56 vthree wrote:
Do Protoss players have selective memory. Why are People saying that
there hasn't been a p>t ro8 in so long when it happened LAST season. And
MADNESS? It occurs just as much as p>t ro8 seasons... It was called GomTvT for a reason. Nothing was worse than GomTvT. People could stay in Code S for seasons on a single matchup. As Artosis says - the best players atm are playing protoss and I agree. There's exceptions but overall there's a sick good protoss lineup of players who are sick good overall. Doesn't change the fact that TvT is a great match-up, while any match-up involving protoss ends up in a massive AoE fest that's absolutely terrible from a spectators point of view. Endgame PvP is just two blobs with lasers everywhere for 20 seconds until someone wins, endgame PvT is ghosts being effective or not followed by 20 seconds of blobs fighting and then going in favor of one of the players. The only variation is when someone tries to all-in early. As a spectator, the fewer protosses in a tournament the more entertaining it is. Now that's where I see that all you really want is terrans advancing because you're biased. Guess that ends the conversation. You clearly don't care about who the better players are. All Terrans advancing isn't as interesting as a good mix of Terrans and Zergs. What I want in a tournament is the best games, and Protoss does not provide that. Protoss is boring to play and worse to watch, painful though it is to state as a former BW Protoss player. I agree with the above sentiment that fewer Protoss pretty much always yields better entertainment from a spectator's point of view.
The "best games" as you call it are games where the best players, regardless of their race, display the best skill with what they have at their disposal. Your argument is horribly biased. If you think that TvZ is entertaining then fine, go watch TvZ. That's your opinion and has absolutely nothing to do with balance or general entertainment.
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MC to Code A, best news today, this idiot deserves it for hating naniwa without reason.fucking jealous kid
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On April 27 2012 00:31 ReachTheSky wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2012 00:23 Hakanfrog wrote:
Man if protoss doesn´t win this GSL I doubt they ever will. Protoss HAS won a GSL.
It was so long ago that no one remembers
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United States5660 Posts
EDIT: derp I really need to actually sleep more t.t;; fail
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On April 27 2012 00:30 DarkLordOlli wrote:
The curious thing is that people like DRG show that zerg can dominate, yet almost every other zerg is having a tough time. Do you think protoss players were just bad when terrans won everything? That's an absolutely ridiculous statement. Fact is terran was OP as hell, thus the nerfs. There were players who skillwise exceeded Code S Terrans by FAAAAAAAAAAAAR yet got beaten because PvT was just not winnable. And everybody who says Terran can't beat protoss right now is clearly not watching a lot of starcraft.
The only people being willfully crazy are making statements like these. Go watch the last few season of SC. P players were so much far less refined in builds, control, and decision making.
If that's not obvious, I don't know what is. TvP has also changed, but TvP has always been propped up by cheesy 1 base play.
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On April 27 2012 00:40 zhurai wrote:
EDIT: derp I really need to actually sleep more t.t;; fail
Glad you caught that :-p I was thinking about replying to that, but it's late here too and I wasn't sure if I was the one missing something >.>
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On April 27 2012 00:47 architecture wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2012 00:30 DarkLordOlli wrote:
The curious thing is that people like DRG show that zerg can dominate, yet almost every other zerg is having a tough time. Do you think protoss players were just bad when terrans won everything? That's an absolutely ridiculous statement. Fact is terran was OP as hell, thus the nerfs. There were players who skillwise exceeded Code S Terrans by FAAAAAAAAAAAAR yet got beaten because PvT was just not winnable. And everybody who says Terran can't beat protoss right now is clearly not watching a lot of starcraft. The only people being willfully crazy are making statements like these. Go watch the last few season of SC. P players were so much far less refined in builds, control, and decision making.
And now the tables have turned and T has to refine their builds, control and decision making.
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MC is kind of overrated. I thought it was pretty obvious he wasn't going to make it through. Heh.
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Austria24422 Posts
On April 27 2012 00:47 architecture wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2012 00:30 DarkLordOlli wrote:
The curious thing is that people like DRG show that zerg can dominate, yet almost every other zerg is having a tough time. Do you think protoss players were just bad when terrans won everything? That's an absolutely ridiculous statement. Fact is terran was OP as hell, thus the nerfs. There were players who skillwise exceeded Code S Terrans by FAAAAAAAAAAAAR yet got beaten because PvT was just not winnable. And everybody who says Terran can't beat protoss right now is clearly not watching a lot of starcraft. The only people being willfully crazy are making statements like these. Go watch the last few season of SC. P players were so much far less refined in builds, control, and decision making. If that's not obvious, I don't know what is. TvP has also changed, but TvP has always been propped up by cheesy 1 base play.
Sure, terran had perfectly refined builds and protoss didn't. That's the only reason there were and are 15+ Code S terrans every season. Protoss players were simply bad, that explains months of slaughter! Except not really.
It's tough to understand if a player is making the right decisions if the opponent's race is better. Terran was better than protoss as a race. WAS. It wasn't about protoss players being bad. Their race was just not capable of producing those results. With the recent balance changes, suddenly a lot more builds are viable and a lot more strategies come into play for protoss players to use their real potential. It's not that players were bad, the matchup was imbalanced. Thus the nerfs. And now suddenly there's a huge swell of protoss player who just happened to be good all of a sudden. Nah bro. They were good all along.
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On April 27 2012 01:04 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2012 00:47 architecture wrote:On April 27 2012 00:30 DarkLordOlli wrote:
The curious thing is that people like DRG show that zerg can dominate, yet almost every other zerg is having a tough time. Do you think protoss players were just bad when terrans won everything? That's an absolutely ridiculous statement. Fact is terran was OP as hell, thus the nerfs. There were players who skillwise exceeded Code S Terrans by FAAAAAAAAAAAAR yet got beaten because PvT was just not winnable. And everybody who says Terran can't beat protoss right now is clearly not watching a lot of starcraft. The only people being willfully crazy are making statements like these. Go watch the last few season of SC. P players were so much far less refined in builds, control, and decision making. If that's not obvious, I don't know what is. TvP has also changed, but TvP has always been propped up by cheesy 1 base play. Sure, terran had perfectly refined builds and protoss didn't. That's the only reason there were and are 15+ Code S terrans every season. Protoss players were simply bad, that explains months of slaughter! Except not really. It's tough to understand if a player is making the right decisions if the opponent's race is better. Terran was better than protoss as a race. WAS. It wasn't about protoss players being bad. Their race was just not capable of producing those results. With the recent balance changes, suddenly a lot more builds are viable and a lot more strategies come into play for protoss players to use their real potential. It's not that players were bad, the matchup was imbalanced. Thus the nerfs. And now suddenly there's a huge swell of protoss player who just happened to be good all of a sudden. Nah bro. They were good all along.
Finally a sane post in this thread. So every protoss player used to be bad (and all the terrans where really good), but with the recent balance patch, they all coincidentally got good? come on, get back to the boards when you are sober.
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On April 27 2012 00:31 ReachTheSky wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2012 00:23 Hakanfrog wrote:
Man if protoss doesn´t win this GSL I doubt they ever will. Protoss HAS won a GSL.
Again*
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On April 26 2012 23:49 sc2holar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2012 23:44 opterown wrote:On April 26 2012 23:42 babylon wrote:On April 26 2012 23:21 Douillos wrote:On April 26 2012 23:04 DarkLordOlli wrote:On April 26 2012 22:56 vthree wrote:
Do Protoss players have selective memory. Why are People saying that
there hasn't been a p>t ro8 in so long when it happened LAST season. And
MADNESS? It occurs just as much as p>t ro8 seasons... It was called GomTvT for a reason. Nothing was worse than GomTvT. People could stay in Code S for seasons on a single matchup. As Artosis says - the best players atm are playing protoss and I agree. There's exceptions but overall there's a sick good protoss lineup of players who are sick good overall. I beg to differ. Protoss players are all specialists in one matchup. I havent seen a well rounded protoss yet. That definitily takes a lot away from the "best players" argument. Uh ... Squirtle? Good at PvP and PvZ, on a hot streak in PvT? Dunno why people are whining about balance; what happened was a bunch of the good PvTers got knocked out in the first group stage match-ups, and MKP blew his big chance yesterday. I'm a Terran, and watching MKP/Polt play TvP makes the MU look stupidly imbalanced for Terran. When Parting plays, he makes PvT look imbalanced against anyone who isn't MKP and Polt. Not unless parting gets cheesed out, like in IPL or MLG recently. players need to bunker rush and 1-1-1 parting more if they want to win. Or just pull the plug and stage a "disconnect"
Implying something here?
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On April 27 2012 01:09 Sein wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2012 23:49 sc2holar wrote:On April 26 2012 23:44 opterown wrote:On April 26 2012 23:42 babylon wrote:On April 26 2012 23:21 Douillos wrote:On April 26 2012 23:04 DarkLordOlli wrote:On April 26 2012 22:56 vthree wrote:
Do Protoss players have selective memory. Why are People saying that
there hasn't been a p>t ro8 in so long when it happened LAST season. And
MADNESS? It occurs just as much as p>t ro8 seasons... It was called GomTvT for a reason. Nothing was worse than GomTvT. People could stay in Code S for seasons on a single matchup. As Artosis says - the best players atm are playing protoss and I agree. There's exceptions but overall there's a sick good protoss lineup of players who are sick good overall. I beg to differ. Protoss players are all specialists in one matchup. I havent seen a well rounded protoss yet. That definitily takes a lot away from the "best players" argument. Uh ... Squirtle? Good at PvP and PvZ, on a hot streak in PvT? Dunno why people are whining about balance; what happened was a bunch of the good PvTers got knocked out in the first group stage match-ups, and MKP blew his big chance yesterday. I'm a Terran, and watching MKP/Polt play TvP makes the MU look stupidly imbalanced for Terran. When Parting plays, he makes PvT look imbalanced against anyone who isn't MKP and Polt. Not unless parting gets cheesed out, like in IPL or MLG recently. players need to bunker rush and 1-1-1 parting more if they want to win. Or just pull the plug and stage a "disconnect" Implying something here?
Nah, just joking around, as the DC in GSTL apparently seemed to throw PartinG off tilt.
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Vatican City State733 Posts
On April 27 2012 00:36 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2012 00:27 forsooth wrote:On April 27 2012 00:13 DarkLordOlli wrote:On April 26 2012 23:52 Derez wrote:On April 26 2012 23:04 DarkLordOlli wrote:On April 26 2012 22:56 vthree wrote:
Do Protoss players have selective memory. Why are People saying that
there hasn't been a p>t ro8 in so long when it happened LAST season. And
MADNESS? It occurs just as much as p>t ro8 seasons... It was called GomTvT for a reason. Nothing was worse than GomTvT. People could stay in Code S for seasons on a single matchup. As Artosis says - the best players atm are playing protoss and I agree. There's exceptions but overall there's a sick good protoss lineup of players who are sick good overall. Doesn't change the fact that TvT is a great match-up, while any match-up involving protoss ends up in a massive AoE fest that's absolutely terrible from a spectators point of view. Endgame PvP is just two blobs with lasers everywhere for 20 seconds until someone wins, endgame PvT is ghosts being effective or not followed by 20 seconds of blobs fighting and then going in favor of one of the players. The only variation is when someone tries to all-in early. As a spectator, the fewer protosses in a tournament the more entertaining it is. Now that's where I see that all you really want is terrans advancing because you're biased. Guess that ends the conversation. You clearly don't care about who the better players are. All Terrans advancing isn't as interesting as a good mix of Terrans and Zergs. What I want in a tournament is the best games, and Protoss does not provide that. Protoss is boring to play and worse to watch, painful though it is to state as a former BW Protoss player. I agree with the above sentiment that fewer Protoss pretty much always yields better entertainment from a spectator's point of view. The "best games" as you call it are games where the best players, regardless of their race, display the best skill with what they have at their disposal. Your argument is horribly biased. If you think that TvZ is entertaining then fine, go watch TvZ. That's your opinion and has absolutely nothing to do with balance or general entertainment.
That's actually more the general consensus? Granted, the available polls are a little out of date, but judging from the tone of conversations on TL I think it's safe to say that a plurality prefer TvZ. It's dynamic and provides an excellent display of macro and micro. PvX matchups don't tend to be as impressive. Deathballs aren't enjoyable
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On April 27 2012 00:31 ReachTheSky wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2012 00:23 Hakanfrog wrote:
Man if protoss doesn´t win this GSL I doubt they ever will. Protoss HAS won a GSL.
So he should not now? lol
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On April 27 2012 01:12 RDaneelOlivaw wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2012 00:36 DarkLordOlli wrote:On April 27 2012 00:27 forsooth wrote:On April 27 2012 00:13 DarkLordOlli wrote:On April 26 2012 23:52 Derez wrote:On April 26 2012 23:04 DarkLordOlli wrote:On April 26 2012 22:56 vthree wrote:
Do Protoss players have selective memory. Why are People saying that
there hasn't been a p>t ro8 in so long when it happened LAST season. And
MADNESS? It occurs just as much as p>t ro8 seasons... It was called GomTvT for a reason. Nothing was worse than GomTvT. People could stay in Code S for seasons on a single matchup. As Artosis says - the best players atm are playing protoss and I agree. There's exceptions but overall there's a sick good protoss lineup of players who are sick good overall. Doesn't change the fact that TvT is a great match-up, while any match-up involving protoss ends up in a massive AoE fest that's absolutely terrible from a spectators point of view. Endgame PvP is just two blobs with lasers everywhere for 20 seconds until someone wins, endgame PvT is ghosts being effective or not followed by 20 seconds of blobs fighting and then going in favor of one of the players. The only variation is when someone tries to all-in early. As a spectator, the fewer protosses in a tournament the more entertaining it is. Now that's where I see that all you really want is terrans advancing because you're biased. Guess that ends the conversation. You clearly don't care about who the better players are. All Terrans advancing isn't as interesting as a good mix of Terrans and Zergs. What I want in a tournament is the best games, and Protoss does not provide that. Protoss is boring to play and worse to watch, painful though it is to state as a former BW Protoss player. I agree with the above sentiment that fewer Protoss pretty much always yields better entertainment from a spectator's point of view. The "best games" as you call it are games where the best players, regardless of their race, display the best skill with what they have at their disposal. Your argument is horribly biased. If you think that TvZ is entertaining then fine, go watch TvZ. That's your opinion and has absolutely nothing to do with balance or general entertainment. That's actually more the general consensus? Granted, the available polls are a little out of date, but judging from the tone of conversations on TL I think it's safe to say that a plurality prefer TvZ. It's dynamic and provides an excellent display of macro and micro. PvX matchups don't tend to be as impressive. Deathballs aren't enjoyable
when was the last time you watched a PvX? the "turtle to deathball" strategy went out of style in every matchup about a year ago. PvZ nowdays requires/includes sick multitasking with warp prism storm drops, zealot drops to snipe tech structures, and stalker blink-ups to snipe bases. Watch Hero's games against Leenock and come back and tell me that Protoss games are boring deathball games. It was so intensive and so much going on all over the map that it was impossible for the observers to cover everything. There was never a deathball, Hero had his army split up and moving around the map for the majority of the game.
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