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On April 26 2012 23:04 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2012 22:56 vthree wrote:
Do Protoss players have selective memory. Why are People saying that
there hasn't been a p>t ro8 in so long when it happened LAST season. And
MADNESS? It occurs just as much as p>t ro8 seasons... It was called GomTvT for a reason. Nothing was worse than GomTvT. People could stay in Code S for seasons on a single matchup. As Artosis says - the best players atm are playing protoss and I agree. There's exceptions but overall there's a sick good protoss lineup of players who are sick good overall.
The whole "it's the players not the race", didn't stop the whining and nerfs against Terran. Why should it be the case now?
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Nani 3-2 Mvp
Oz 3-1 Parting
Hero 3-2 Suno
Taeja 3-2 Squirtle
Oz 3-1 Nani
Taeja 3-1 Hero
Oz 4-3 Taeja
Hoping ^^
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On April 26 2012 22:56 vthree wrote:
Do Protoss players have selective memory. Why are People saying that
there hasn't been a p>t ro8 in so long when it happened LAST season. And
MADNESS? It occurs just as much as p>t ro8 seasons...
To be fair, last season... wasn't that DRG vs. Genius finals? Weren't the other two semi-finalists both Terran?
It's been called GomTvT for a reason. Terran has always had a majority in Code S, and now it's nice for there to be an equal number of Protosses as Terran. I feel really bad for the Zergs though x.x
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On April 26 2012 23:15 FatalT wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2012 23:04 DarkLordOlli wrote:On April 26 2012 22:56 vthree wrote:
Do Protoss players have selective memory. Why are People saying that
there hasn't been a p>t ro8 in so long when it happened LAST season. And
MADNESS? It occurs just as much as p>t ro8 seasons... It was called GomTvT for a reason. Nothing was worse than GomTvT. People could stay in Code S for seasons on a single matchup. As Artosis says - the best players atm are playing protoss and I agree. There's exceptions but overall there's a sick good protoss lineup of players who are sick good overall. The whole "it's the players not the race", didn't stop the whining and nerfs against Terran. Why should it be the case now?
So true. Look at the constant nerfs of Terran. And now that Protoss is pounding them left right and center you expect nobody to call out some balance issues?
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On April 26 2012 23:04 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2012 22:56 vthree wrote:
Do Protoss players have selective memory. Why are People saying that
there hasn't been a p>t ro8 in so long when it happened LAST season. And
MADNESS? It occurs just as much as p>t ro8 seasons... It was called GomTvT for a reason. Nothing was worse than GomTvT. People could stay in Code S for seasons on a single matchup. As Artosis says - the best players atm are playing protoss and I agree. There's exceptions but overall there's a sick good protoss lineup of players who are sick good overall.
I beg to differ. Protoss players are all specialists in one matchup. I havent seen a well rounded protoss yet. That definitily takes a lot away from the "best players" argument.
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On April 26 2012 23:16 opterown wrote:
Nani 3-2 Mvp
Oz 3-1 Parting
Hero 3-2 Suno
Taeja 3-2 Squirtle
Oz 3-1 Nani
Taeja 3-1 Hero
Oz 4-3 Taeja
Hoping ^^
Sounds incredibly unlikely imo.
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On April 26 2012 23:19 Douillos wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2012 23:15 FatalT wrote:On April 26 2012 23:04 DarkLordOlli wrote:On April 26 2012 22:56 vthree wrote:
Do Protoss players have selective memory. Why are People saying that
there hasn't been a p>t ro8 in so long when it happened LAST season. And
MADNESS? It occurs just as much as p>t ro8 seasons... It was called GomTvT for a reason. Nothing was worse than GomTvT. People could stay in Code S for seasons on a single matchup. As Artosis says - the best players atm are playing protoss and I agree. There's exceptions but overall there's a sick good protoss lineup of players who are sick good overall. The whole "it's the players not the race", didn't stop the whining and nerfs against Terran. Why should it be the case now? So true. Look at the constant nerfs of Terran. And now that Protoss is pounding them left right and center you expect nobody to call out some balance issues?
What stats graphs or win percentages are you looking at? Just out of curiosity.
And constant nerfs of Terran? They got nerfed in the past because they needed to get nerfed. Terran is- by far- the most successful race in SC2. And they were completely raping both Zerg and Protoss (go look at the TLPD monthly winrates), and something needed to be done. Maybe the nerfs weren't in the right spots- and hopefully *as close to balance as possible* eventually gets achieved, but when the data and tournament wins reflect the fact that Terran has won convincingly throughout nearly the entire history of SC2, expect there to be a few nerfs. That's what happens.
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Does MC slumping or playing so poor?
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On April 26 2012 23:15 FatalT wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2012 23:04 DarkLordOlli wrote:On April 26 2012 22:56 vthree wrote:
Do Protoss players have selective memory. Why are People saying that
there hasn't been a p>t ro8 in so long when it happened LAST season. And
MADNESS? It occurs just as much as p>t ro8 seasons... It was called GomTvT for a reason. Nothing was worse than GomTvT. People could stay in Code S for seasons on a single matchup. As Artosis says - the best players atm are playing protoss and I agree. There's exceptions but overall there's a sick good protoss lineup of players who are sick good overall. The whole "it's the players not the race", didn't stop the whining and nerfs against Terran. Why should it be the case now?
Because protoss hasn't had 20 players in the first round for seasons. Protoss was nowhere for months, not in the GSL or anywhere else. Everything was being dominated by Terrans. Now, why should people not whine about balance now? Because Terrans are still winning tournaments goddamnit, MLG and IPL included. Terrans can still win it, it's not the race that keeps them down as MKP and ALive and so many other Terrans are showing. Soooo really, what's left is just the players themselves.
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On April 26 2012 23:19 Douillos wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2012 23:15 FatalT wrote:On April 26 2012 23:04 DarkLordOlli wrote:On April 26 2012 22:56 vthree wrote:
Do Protoss players have selective memory. Why are People saying that
there hasn't been a p>t ro8 in so long when it happened LAST season. And
MADNESS? It occurs just as much as p>t ro8 seasons... It was called GomTvT for a reason. Nothing was worse than GomTvT. People could stay in Code S for seasons on a single matchup. As Artosis says - the best players atm are playing protoss and I agree. There's exceptions but overall there's a sick good protoss lineup of players who are sick good overall. The whole "it's the players not the race", didn't stop the whining and nerfs against Terran. Why should it be the case now? So true. Look at the constant nerfs of Terran. And now that Protoss is pounding them left right and center you expect nobody to call out some balance issues?
Pounding left right and centre? Pretty sure there are still 3 Terrans left and many more that had the ability to move on. Keep in mind that Parting & Squirtle alone took out like 5 top tier Terrans. If not for them, we could be seeing 5-6 Terrans (MKP, MMA, ForGG) in the ro8. We need innovative new terrans, like Maru & Supernova!
ps; you may or may not have noticed there are 0 zergs in the next round. I think this is totally due to player concerns, and not racial concerns as well.
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On April 26 2012 23:27 Gescom wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2012 23:19 Douillos wrote:On April 26 2012 23:15 FatalT wrote:On April 26 2012 23:04 DarkLordOlli wrote:On April 26 2012 22:56 vthree wrote:
Do Protoss players have selective memory. Why are People saying that
there hasn't been a p>t ro8 in so long when it happened LAST season. And
MADNESS? It occurs just as much as p>t ro8 seasons... It was called GomTvT for a reason. Nothing was worse than GomTvT. People could stay in Code S for seasons on a single matchup. As Artosis says - the best players atm are playing protoss and I agree. There's exceptions but overall there's a sick good protoss lineup of players who are sick good overall. The whole "it's the players not the race", didn't stop the whining and nerfs against Terran. Why should it be the case now? So true. Look at the constant nerfs of Terran. And now that Protoss is pounding them left right and center you expect nobody to call out some balance issues? Pounding left right and centre? Pretty sure there are still 3 Terrans left and many more that had the ability to move on. Keep in mind that Parting & Squirtle alone took out like 5 top tier Terrans. If not for them, we could be seeing 5-6 Terrans (MKP, MMA, ForGG) in the ro8. We need innovative new terrans, like Maru & Supernova! ps; you may or may not have noticed there are 0 zergs in the next round. I think this is totally due to player concerns, and not racial concerns as well.
Suno is hardly new nor innovative.
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On April 26 2012 23:16 opterown wrote:
Nani 3-2 Mvp
Oz 3-1 Parting
Hero 3-2 Suno
Taeja 3-2 Squirtle
Oz 3-1 Nani
Taeja 3-1 Hero
Oz 4-3 Taeja
Hoping ^^
Pretty optimistic to think a terran can take a P out at this stage of the tournament
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Austria24417 Posts
On April 26 2012 23:21 Douillos wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2012 23:04 DarkLordOlli wrote:On April 26 2012 22:56 vthree wrote:
Do Protoss players have selective memory. Why are People saying that
there hasn't been a p>t ro8 in so long when it happened LAST season. And
MADNESS? It occurs just as much as p>t ro8 seasons... It was called GomTvT for a reason. Nothing was worse than GomTvT. People could stay in Code S for seasons on a single matchup. As Artosis says - the best players atm are playing protoss and I agree. There's exceptions but overall there's a sick good protoss lineup of players who are sick good overall. I beg to differ. Protoss players are all specialists in one matchup. I havent seen a well rounded protoss yet. That definitily takes a lot away from the "best players" argument.
Genius, HerO, Oz, Parting, MC, NaNiwa, Squirtle. Which of those Ro16 protoss players are bad overall but only shine in one matchup?
Everybody has a best matchup. PartinG will crush terrans left and right but he still managed to take out DRG and MC at MLG. I think you're mistaking being a specialist in one single matchup with being the absolute master of one matchup and being good at the others.
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On April 26 2012 23:24 HaXXspetten wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2012 23:16 opterown wrote:
Nani 3-2 Mvp
Oz 3-1 Parting
Hero 3-2 Suno
Taeja 3-2 Squirtle
Oz 3-1 Nani
Taeja 3-1 Hero
Oz 4-3 Taeja
Hoping ^^ Sounds incredibly unlikely imo.
What's the most unlikely pick? Obv I am a bit biased for Oz though haha
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On April 26 2012 23:25 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2012 23:15 FatalT wrote:On April 26 2012 23:04 DarkLordOlli wrote:On April 26 2012 22:56 vthree wrote:
Do Protoss players have selective memory. Why are People saying that
there hasn't been a p>t ro8 in so long when it happened LAST season. And
MADNESS? It occurs just as much as p>t ro8 seasons... It was called GomTvT for a reason. Nothing was worse than GomTvT. People could stay in Code S for seasons on a single matchup. As Artosis says - the best players atm are playing protoss and I agree. There's exceptions but overall there's a sick good protoss lineup of players who are sick good overall. The whole "it's the players not the race", didn't stop the whining and nerfs against Terran. Why should it be the case now? Because protoss hasn't had 20 players in the first round for seasons. Protoss was nowhere for months, not in the GSL or anywhere else. Everything was being dominated by Terrans. Now, why should people not whine about balance now? Because Terrans are still winning tournaments goddamnit, MLG and IPL included. Terrans can still win it, it's not the race that keeps them down as MKP and ALive and so many other Terrans are showing. Soooo really, what's left is just the players themselves.
By that logic, MC is the greatest player in history because he was winning GSLs and foreign tournaments all over the place for months while all the other Tosses out there accomplished nothing. This recent trend in Protoss success hasn't coincided with the numerous Protoss buffs and Terran nerfs for no reason.
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On April 26 2012 23:32 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2012 23:24 HaXXspetten wrote:On April 26 2012 23:16 opterown wrote:
Nani 3-2 Mvp
Oz 3-1 Parting
Hero 3-2 Suno
Taeja 3-2 Squirtle
Oz 3-1 Nani
Taeja 3-1 Hero
Oz 4-3 Taeja
Hoping ^^ Sounds incredibly unlikely imo. What's the most unlikely pick? Obv I am a bit biased for Oz though haha
Now that I think about it, Oz would really deserve to be the new protoss champion of the GSL. For the sole reason that he managed to hang in there for so long.
On April 26 2012 23:34 forsooth wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2012 23:25 DarkLordOlli wrote:On April 26 2012 23:15 FatalT wrote:On April 26 2012 23:04 DarkLordOlli wrote:On April 26 2012 22:56 vthree wrote:
Do Protoss players have selective memory. Why are People saying that
there hasn't been a p>t ro8 in so long when it happened LAST season. And
MADNESS? It occurs just as much as p>t ro8 seasons... It was called GomTvT for a reason. Nothing was worse than GomTvT. People could stay in Code S for seasons on a single matchup. As Artosis says - the best players atm are playing protoss and I agree. There's exceptions but overall there's a sick good protoss lineup of players who are sick good overall. The whole "it's the players not the race", didn't stop the whining and nerfs against Terran. Why should it be the case now? Because protoss hasn't had 20 players in the first round for seasons. Protoss was nowhere for months, not in the GSL or anywhere else. Everything was being dominated by Terrans. Now, why should people not whine about balance now? Because Terrans are still winning tournaments goddamnit, MLG and IPL included. Terrans can still win it, it's not the race that keeps them down as MKP and ALive and so many other Terrans are showing. Soooo really, what's left is just the players themselves. By that logic, MC is the greatest player in history because he was winning GSLs and foreign tournaments all over the place for months while all the other Tosses out there accomplished nothing. This recent trend in Protoss success hasn't coincided with the numerous Protoss buffs and Terran nerfs for no reason.
Funny because I recall MC falling out of Code A around that time. You got your times confused bro.
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ROFL and MC gets last after that interview.
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On April 26 2012 23:21 Douillos wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2012 23:04 DarkLordOlli wrote:On April 26 2012 22:56 vthree wrote:
Do Protoss players have selective memory. Why are People saying that
there hasn't been a p>t ro8 in so long when it happened LAST season. And
MADNESS? It occurs just as much as p>t ro8 seasons... It was called GomTvT for a reason. Nothing was worse than GomTvT. People could stay in Code S for seasons on a single matchup. As Artosis says - the best players atm are playing protoss and I agree. There's exceptions but overall there's a sick good protoss lineup of players who are sick good overall. I beg to differ. Protoss players are all specialists in one matchup. I havent seen a well rounded protoss yet. That definitily takes a lot away from the "best players" argument.
Uh ... Squirtle? Good at PvP and PvZ, on a hot streak in PvT?
Dunno why people are whining about balance; what happened was a bunch of the good PvTers got knocked out in the first group stage match-ups, and MKP blew his big chance yesterday. I'm a Terran, and watching MKP/Polt play TvP makes the MU look stupidly imbalanced for Terran. When Parting plays, he makes PvT look imbalanced against anyone who isn't MKP and Polt.
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On April 26 2012 23:42 babylon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2012 23:21 Douillos wrote:On April 26 2012 23:04 DarkLordOlli wrote:On April 26 2012 22:56 vthree wrote:
Do Protoss players have selective memory. Why are People saying that
there hasn't been a p>t ro8 in so long when it happened LAST season. And
MADNESS? It occurs just as much as p>t ro8 seasons... It was called GomTvT for a reason. Nothing was worse than GomTvT. People could stay in Code S for seasons on a single matchup. As Artosis says - the best players atm are playing protoss and I agree. There's exceptions but overall there's a sick good protoss lineup of players who are sick good overall. I beg to differ. Protoss players are all specialists in one matchup. I havent seen a well rounded protoss yet. That definitily takes a lot away from the "best players" argument. Uh ... Squirtle? Good at PvP and PvZ, on a hot streak in PvT? Dunno why people are whining about balance; what happened was a bunch of the good PvTers got knocked out in the first group stage match-ups, and MKP blew his big chance yesterday. I'm a Terran, and watching MKP/Polt play TvP makes the MU look stupidly imbalanced for Terran. When Parting plays, he makes PvT look imbalanced against anyone who isn't MKP and Polt.
Very well said.
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