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architecture
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States643 Posts
April 25 2012 11:52 GMT
#2141
This matchup would make a lot more sense if T didn't have to do damage early, and preferred to greed like Z instead. Unfortunately, T doesn't really have the tools to do that, so there's this very weird dynamic of players often both betting aggressive builds against each other.
tpfkan
ReadySetFire
Profile Joined October 2011
Kuwait545 Posts
April 25 2012 11:52 GMT
#2142
On April 25 2012 20:51 Kiyo. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 20:49 Hall0wed wrote:
On April 25 2012 20:47 Kiyo. wrote:
On April 25 2012 20:45 Poopi wrote:
On April 25 2012 20:43 Hall0wed wrote:
On April 25 2012 19:00 Poopi wrote:
On April 25 2012 18:59 Hall0wed wrote:
lol'ing hard at the kids over this past weekend saying Parting's PvT was overrated just because of his MLG performance.

I really want to go and find every post about Parting being overrated now and quote it or PM the person that said it and just laugh in their face. ^_^

Kids can be so silly sometimes. ~_^

Calm down it's only 2 games so far .


Sup son? Like I said Parting got through that easy. ^_~

Lol he didn't look very good in this series anyways, so his PvT is still overrated.


First PvT balance whine, now you're not giving credit to Parting? Are you just trolling or something?


He has a crush on MKP :3

Seems like he is the one that needs to calm down in this thread. Atleast there will be no more opportunities for balance whine tonight.


But MKP's TvT is pretty imbalanced. Needs a nerf imo.

i take it you havent seen MVP vs MKP =D=D=D=D
fixed_point
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany4891 Posts
April 25 2012 11:52 GMT
#2143
On April 25 2012 20:51 zerglingrodeo wrote:
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On April 25 2012 20:37 Maitolasi wrote:
YES
Parting will win Code S.
I also hope that crushed MKPs spirit so that he'll lose the next TvT and Taeja will advance


Agree!

No I demand a Bo7 rematch between parting and mkp
masterchip27
Profile Joined April 2011
United States284 Posts
April 25 2012 11:52 GMT
#2144
On April 25 2012 20:47 Adreme wrote:
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On April 25 2012 20:45 masterchip27 wrote:
On April 25 2012 20:36 THM wrote:
Wow I can't BELIEVE how lucky parting was there. He attacked exactly 5 seconds before siege mode was done, and at the exact time 8 marines were put in a medivac and sent away.

I get annoyed by such stuff -_-


what makes you think it was LUCK, and not just amazing timing from somebody who knows this match up inside out?


It was luck. It was a good bet but he blindly bet that MKP would go for a build to deal with fast 3 base protoss as opposed to 2 gate pressure. Both of them were blind and while Parting did have some basis to go off of he did basically in the end guess.


First of all these guys study each others games a ton before play, so his choice could be a calculated risk... but also, its also possible that even if he didnt kill MKP off he planned to do enough damage to have a longer game, and who knows how that would have looked.... I just don't think we should be so quick to base it all on "luck"
nt-rAven
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada405 Posts
April 25 2012 11:52 GMT
#2145
Man that marine 2 v 2 was sick, like stalker on stalker but faster reaction time, i like!
get owned
sc14s
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5052 Posts
April 25 2012 11:53 GMT
#2146
On April 25 2012 20:52 Megabuster123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 20:46 sc14s wrote:
On April 25 2012 20:43 Megabuster123 wrote:
On April 25 2012 20:41 sc14s wrote:
On April 25 2012 20:40 Megabuster123 wrote:
On April 25 2012 20:38 architecture wrote:
The issue is like Idra said for the game in general.

Theres no way to scout or determine builds before having to react to them. Builds hit too fast and you are locked into them too long.

Obviously he meant this in context of ZvT, but Z have essentially learned that practically all early T timings can be blocked with similar responses. Additional tech like roach warren/bane nest aren't too much of a cost and Z production is more explosive than T.

In contrast, P is far more explosive than T. You can play super safe every game and survive to mid game, but you will manhandled when P greeds instead. The issue of course is that the greed is practically undetectable, which could be manageable except for the explosiveness of warpin when he doesn't greed.

Except MKP could've held that if he didn't have a dropship worth of marines not in the fight at the beginning...>_>



But he didn't and lost so it doesn't matter.

What does that even mean?

apparently english is hard for you to read.

you were stating MKP could've held that and i was stating he didn't so your bitching of what ifs is irrelevant.

Apparently you didn't even pay attention to what I was responding to so your response doesn't even make any sense. I'm not bitching about MKP losing. or Protoss timings or anything like that. I'm responding to that person's criticism of the game...>_>

ah well my bad t.t
Hassybaby
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom10823 Posts
April 25 2012 11:53 GMT
#2147
Ok, that was a weird attack
"These guys are mindfucking me into a sex coma" | "Mayonnaise is a must-have lubricant when performing necrophilia"
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
April 25 2012 11:53 GMT
#2148
On April 25 2012 20:52 architecture wrote:
This matchup would make a lot more sense if T didn't have to do damage early, and preferred to greed like Z instead. Unfortunately, T doesn't really have the tools to do that, so there's this very weird dynamic of players often both betting aggressive builds against each other.


if we had something similar to broodlords you'd see a lot more of safer 3CC but why would you want to go into lategame against P without an advantage.
Zest fanboy.
vndods
Profile Joined October 2011
United States3743 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-25 11:54:25
April 25 2012 11:54 GMT
#2149
Taeja's FE into double gas hard countered STC's proxy. the advantage of proxying factory and starport is if Taeja goes for 3 rax after FE. Viking negates tank vision.
Badfatpanda
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States9719 Posts
April 25 2012 11:54 GMT
#2150
lol, way to overextend and botch your win >< Taeja has this game easily at this point, very nice defense.
Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy. -Beethoven | Mech isn't a build, it's a way of life. -MajOr | Charlie.Sheen: "What is sarcastic, kids who have no courage to fight?" | #TerranPride #yolo #swag -Naama after 2-0'ing MC at HSC VI
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
April 25 2012 11:54 GMT
#2151
Wow that changed drastically. Taeja basically won the game in a matter of seconds.

It's obviously not GG, but STC's tech is all proxied and will die and he's so far behind on his second CC.
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
April 25 2012 11:54 GMT
#2152
Now if only if the STC got a raven
Kiyo.
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2284 Posts
April 25 2012 11:54 GMT
#2153
On April 25 2012 20:52 ReadySetFire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 20:51 Kiyo. wrote:
On April 25 2012 20:49 Hall0wed wrote:
On April 25 2012 20:47 Kiyo. wrote:
On April 25 2012 20:45 Poopi wrote:
On April 25 2012 20:43 Hall0wed wrote:
On April 25 2012 19:00 Poopi wrote:
On April 25 2012 18:59 Hall0wed wrote:
lol'ing hard at the kids over this past weekend saying Parting's PvT was overrated just because of his MLG performance.

I really want to go and find every post about Parting being overrated now and quote it or PM the person that said it and just laugh in their face. ^_^

Kids can be so silly sometimes. ~_^

Calm down it's only 2 games so far .


Sup son? Like I said Parting got through that easy. ^_~

Lol he didn't look very good in this series anyways, so his PvT is still overrated.


First PvT balance whine, now you're not giving credit to Parting? Are you just trolling or something?


He has a crush on MKP :3

Seems like he is the one that needs to calm down in this thread. Atleast there will be no more opportunities for balance whine tonight.


But MKP's TvT is pretty imbalanced. Needs a nerf imo.

i take it you havent seen MVP vs MKP =D=D=D=D


The last time they played was like 5 months ago though, before MKP's surge. I'd be interested to see them play again now, but looks like that won't happen unless they were to meet in the finals.
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tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
April 25 2012 11:54 GMT
#2154
On April 25 2012 20:48 FakeDeath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 20:45 masterchip27 wrote:
On April 25 2012 20:36 THM wrote:
Wow I can't BELIEVE how lucky parting was there. He attacked exactly 5 seconds before siege mode was done, and at the exact time 8 marines were put in a medivac and sent away.

I get annoyed by such stuff -_-


what makes you think it was LUCK, and not just amazing timing from somebody who knows this match up inside out?


Parting did a BLIND 7 Gateway all-in.It was a coinflip build.



He knows MKP is usually extremely greedy early game- it's a calculated gamble. Just like MKP doing that really marine heavy push in game 2 knowing that parting usually doesn't get fast colossi. Both plays were smart IMO.
Hassybaby
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom10823 Posts
April 25 2012 11:54 GMT
#2155
Wtf...you're losing all your tech, so you get a third CC?

STC you so dead
"These guys are mindfucking me into a sex coma" | "Mayonnaise is a must-have lubricant when performing necrophilia"
Tsubbi
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany7996 Posts
April 25 2012 11:54 GMT
#2156
i just love how every terran follows up his failed cheese by 2 cc's nowadays
sc14s
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5052 Posts
April 25 2012 11:54 GMT
#2157
someone is pretty screwed
SwampFox808
Profile Joined April 2012
United States22 Posts
April 25 2012 11:54 GMT
#2158
On April 25 2012 20:47 architecture wrote:

What timing do you scan at?

Where do you scan?

Gates and army can be anywhere.

Or do you like to just put them in the middle of your base where scans go?



MKP has forward units scouting usually and I've seen him perfectly scan scout early gate pressures, to be safe you would have to scan both natural and main or the space inbetween and hope to get lucky. Or just send an scv or marine to the 3rd locations to scout if he dropped it or not and if he didnt than play safe and assume there might be a 2 base pressure build coming instead of blindly guessing that its a quick 3rd... And I have no clue about the exact timings but these pro gamers do and im sure if you really want to know you can look them up on liquipedia... 7 gate pressure is a coin flip for toss if they cant take out the terran with it they usually loose because they dont have space to tech up and gateway only against MMM sucks....

The point is that he didnt see the attack coming until it was at his doorstep when he was assuming it wasnt coming... this is deadly in any matchup
SOOOO MANY BANELINGS!!!!!!!
KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
April 25 2012 11:54 GMT
#2159
On April 25 2012 20:51 KristofferAG wrote:
(T)oGsTheStC v (T)Liquid_TaeJa
0 - 0


Maps:
Metropolis


5.00
(T)oGsTheStC spawning as the red Terran in the 12 o'cock position.
(T)Liquid_TaeJa spawning as the blue Terran in the 6 o'clock position.

Both players getting their Rax on 12.
Refinery added on for StC on 13.

TaeJa goes for CC after the Rax.
StC proxying a Factory on TaeJa's third!

TaeJa getting his CC in his main while taking two gas.
StC taking the second gas in his main.

Starport added on next to the proxied Factory for Stc.
Factory down for TaeJa.

2 marines v 2 marines outside StC's main, TaeJa manages to win the confrontation with a hero marine.


10.00
Tech lab added on to the Factory and Starport for Stc, going into Banshees and Siege tech.
TaeJa adds on his own Starport, produces viking in it.

banshee from stc takes out multiple Marines and goes to the SCVs, Viking pops out but Banshee survives!
StC manages to take out the bunker, but TaeJa gets a secnd Viking. The banshee and all the marines go down,

TaeJa holds, forces Stc to leave!
The proxied Starport and Factory taken out,

Two CC's placed down for StC.

@KristofferAG | http://vestkyststoy.bandcamp.com | last.fm/user/KristofferAG
Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
April 25 2012 11:55 GMT
#2160
On April 25 2012 20:52 ReadySetFire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 20:51 Kiyo. wrote:
On April 25 2012 20:49 Hall0wed wrote:
On April 25 2012 20:47 Kiyo. wrote:
On April 25 2012 20:45 Poopi wrote:
On April 25 2012 20:43 Hall0wed wrote:
On April 25 2012 19:00 Poopi wrote:
On April 25 2012 18:59 Hall0wed wrote:
lol'ing hard at the kids over this past weekend saying Parting's PvT was overrated just because of his MLG performance.

I really want to go and find every post about Parting being overrated now and quote it or PM the person that said it and just laugh in their face. ^_^

Kids can be so silly sometimes. ~_^

Calm down it's only 2 games so far .


Sup son? Like I said Parting got through that easy. ^_~

Lol he didn't look very good in this series anyways, so his PvT is still overrated.


First PvT balance whine, now you're not giving credit to Parting? Are you just trolling or something?


He has a crush on MKP :3

Seems like he is the one that needs to calm down in this thread. Atleast there will be no more opportunities for balance whine tonight.


But MKP's TvT is pretty imbalanced. Needs a nerf imo.

i take it you havent seen MVP vs MKP =D=D=D=D


If MKP basetrades against MKP....who wins?! D:
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