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Norway25712 Posts
I really can't stand those rocks to your nat.
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United Kingdom31255 Posts
On April 12 2012 19:50 JimCozad wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 19:48 Drazerk wrote:On April 12 2012 19:48 Psychobabas wrote:On April 12 2012 19:47 Vindicare605 wrote:On April 12 2012 19:44 Bommes wrote:On April 12 2012 19:42 Vindicare605 wrote:On April 12 2012 19:40 windsupernova wrote:On April 12 2012 19:38 Vindicare605 wrote:On April 12 2012 19:36 windsupernova wrote:On April 12 2012 19:34 Vindicare605 wrote:
See if this was Brood War, those Thors would be Goliaths and Goliaths could handle Guardians a LOT better than Thors can handle Brood Lords. Goliaths would go full retard against Broodlords. I disagree in that they would do better than Thors Except Goliaths have the range to compete with Brood Lords and do their damage to single target instead of splash which is worthless against beefy brood lords. Plus this is also assuming Goliaths were on the SC2 engine which would make them obviously less retarded. Don't Thor and Goliath have the same relative range?_? And I was making fun of the pathfinding in BW btw I believe with the range upgrade in Brood War Goliaths have the same relative range as Vikings do in SC2. That would be less range than thors. Thors are useless because they only do damage against light though, thats why they are so shit. They just have no damage output, they do like 8 DPS which is ridiculously bad for their cost. My bad on the range then, but Goliaths also have another key advantage over thors and that's their mobility. Thors are slow and clunky and you can't flank and do other sorts of important things with them that you can do with Goliaths. Not only that but they are incredibly expensive and take forever to build and considering they're the only anti air unit that comes out of the factory that's a big problem. In general you're supposed to mix Vikings with mech in order to cover Mech's anti-air needs. But the crucial issue here is that Vikings benefit from a separate set of upgrades than the rest of the factory units do which is something that wasn't an issue with Goliaths. TLDR: I miss Goliaths. 2 words: Science Vessel  Ravens! Ravens? So you have to hope that the Z clumps up their broods? :>
It works for protoss doesn't it? 
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On April 12 2012 19:50 JimCozad wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 19:48 Drazerk wrote:On April 12 2012 19:48 Psychobabas wrote:On April 12 2012 19:47 Vindicare605 wrote:On April 12 2012 19:44 Bommes wrote:On April 12 2012 19:42 Vindicare605 wrote:On April 12 2012 19:40 windsupernova wrote:On April 12 2012 19:38 Vindicare605 wrote:On April 12 2012 19:36 windsupernova wrote:On April 12 2012 19:34 Vindicare605 wrote:
See if this was Brood War, those Thors would be Goliaths and Goliaths could handle Guardians a LOT better than Thors can handle Brood Lords. Goliaths would go full retard against Broodlords. I disagree in that they would do better than Thors Except Goliaths have the range to compete with Brood Lords and do their damage to single target instead of splash which is worthless against beefy brood lords. Plus this is also assuming Goliaths were on the SC2 engine which would make them obviously less retarded. Don't Thor and Goliath have the same relative range?_? And I was making fun of the pathfinding in BW btw I believe with the range upgrade in Brood War Goliaths have the same relative range as Vikings do in SC2. That would be less range than thors. Thors are useless because they only do damage against light though, thats why they are so shit. They just have no damage output, they do like 8 DPS which is ridiculously bad for their cost. My bad on the range then, but Goliaths also have another key advantage over thors and that's their mobility. Thors are slow and clunky and you can't flank and do other sorts of important things with them that you can do with Goliaths. Not only that but they are incredibly expensive and take forever to build and considering they're the only anti air unit that comes out of the factory that's a big problem. In general you're supposed to mix Vikings with mech in order to cover Mech's anti-air needs. But the crucial issue here is that Vikings benefit from a separate set of upgrades than the rest of the factory units do which is something that wasn't an issue with Goliaths. TLDR: I miss Goliaths. 2 words: Science Vessel Ravens! Ravens? So you have to hope that the Z clumps up their broods? :>
pdd works against corruptors doesn't it?
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On April 12 2012 19:50 InoyouS2 wrote:
He didn't say that they were boring, he said they were meh.
Unless meh means anything other than bad please educate me as to where more skill would be on display other than GSL?
Dude, just because it's high level doesn't mean there can't be one-sided / boring (bad) games.
And "meh" doesn't even mean bad...
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On April 12 2012 19:49 pdd wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 19:46 Audemed wrote:On April 12 2012 19:45 Scila wrote:On April 12 2012 19:44 Audemed wrote:
Why would Yamato BC's not do well vs this sort of zerg play? Serious question. BCs take too long to build, and are easily countered by Corruptors + Neural Parasite. Broodlords really need to be made from a different unit other than corruptors. Lol you want to use air unitz? K i maek corruptor. Lol now i haz gglords. That's why the Ghost nerf was bad. It was imba vs Ultralisks, but against Broodlord it was a little bit balanced... this is because Corruptor/Infestor/Broodlord is just difficult to deal with with pure marine-viking alone.
Infestor Broodlord almost requires Ghosts anyway because you need at the very least EMPs for the Infestors or the Queens if the Zerg brings them.
You need Ghosts, Vikings, and Marines altogether and if you're going mech each unit is a problem to produce.
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Is anyone else having problems with the gom player?
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On April 12 2012 19:50 InoyouS2 wrote:
He didn't say that they were boring, he said they were meh.
Unless meh means anything other than bad please educate me as to where more skill would be on display other than GSL?
You know that there are still skill differences within Code S? Some groups have better matches to watch, some not. He is not saying that GSL overall is bad, just compared to yesterday, todays games are a little underwhelming.
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On April 12 2012 19:50 JimCozad wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 19:48 Drazerk wrote:On April 12 2012 19:48 Psychobabas wrote:On April 12 2012 19:47 Vindicare605 wrote:On April 12 2012 19:44 Bommes wrote:On April 12 2012 19:42 Vindicare605 wrote:On April 12 2012 19:40 windsupernova wrote:On April 12 2012 19:38 Vindicare605 wrote:On April 12 2012 19:36 windsupernova wrote:On April 12 2012 19:34 Vindicare605 wrote:
See if this was Brood War, those Thors would be Goliaths and Goliaths could handle Guardians a LOT better than Thors can handle Brood Lords. Goliaths would go full retard against Broodlords. I disagree in that they would do better than Thors Except Goliaths have the range to compete with Brood Lords and do their damage to single target instead of splash which is worthless against beefy brood lords. Plus this is also assuming Goliaths were on the SC2 engine which would make them obviously less retarded. Don't Thor and Goliath have the same relative range?_? And I was making fun of the pathfinding in BW btw I believe with the range upgrade in Brood War Goliaths have the same relative range as Vikings do in SC2. That would be less range than thors. Thors are useless because they only do damage against light though, thats why they are so shit. They just have no damage output, they do like 8 DPS which is ridiculously bad for their cost. My bad on the range then, but Goliaths also have another key advantage over thors and that's their mobility. Thors are slow and clunky and you can't flank and do other sorts of important things with them that you can do with Goliaths. Not only that but they are incredibly expensive and take forever to build and considering they're the only anti air unit that comes out of the factory that's a big problem. In general you're supposed to mix Vikings with mech in order to cover Mech's anti-air needs. But the crucial issue here is that Vikings benefit from a separate set of upgrades than the rest of the factory units do which is something that wasn't an issue with Goliaths. TLDR: I miss Goliaths. 2 words: Science Vessel Ravens! Ravens? So you have to hope that the Z clumps up their broods? :>
Isn't this what all Protoss want Zergs to do so they can pull of their only counter to the broods, aka the Archon Toilet?
(Okay, they can blink stalkers too, but I almost always see P going for that toilet. Makes me wonder if they drank the water somewhere questionable.)
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ok so wait.
next match we're going to lose either MMA or nada to the depths of Code A?
This hasn't been a good season for Terrans so far with the notable exception of MKP.
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United Kingdom14464 Posts
Raven's are actually really powerful vs Broods, it's just really hard to pull off, one mistep vs the infestors and GG.
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On April 12 2012 19:52 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 19:49 pdd wrote:On April 12 2012 19:46 Audemed wrote:On April 12 2012 19:45 Scila wrote:On April 12 2012 19:44 Audemed wrote:
Why would Yamato BC's not do well vs this sort of zerg play? Serious question. BCs take too long to build, and are easily countered by Corruptors + Neural Parasite. Broodlords really need to be made from a different unit other than corruptors. Lol you want to use air unitz? K i maek corruptor. Lol now i haz gglords. That's why the Ghost nerf was bad. It was imba vs Ultralisks, but against Broodlord it was a little bit balanced... this is because Corruptor/Infestor/Broodlord is just difficult to deal with with pure marine-viking alone. Infestor Broodlord almost requires Ghosts anyway because you need at the very least EMPs for the Infestors or the Queens if the Zerg brings them. You need Ghosts, Vikings, and Marines altogether and if you're going mech each unit is a problem to produce.
Having more marines , more tanks and more viking is almost everytime better than having Ghost in TvZ right now.
Just get a better concave.
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37121 Posts
On April 12 2012 19:50 Perfecto wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 19:46 windsupernova wrote:On April 12 2012 19:44 Perfecto wrote:On April 12 2012 19:36 Medrea wrote:On April 12 2012 19:35 Perfecto wrote:On April 12 2012 19:32 Medrea wrote:On April 12 2012 19:29 NGrNecris wrote:I can't tell if you're trying to be annoying or funny He is trying to get banned. If you look at Perfecto's post history its all emoticons and +1's. Prob be banned before the end of the night. Not true. I also like this:  You did check your PM's and see the warning right? Seriously, lighten up. What are the smileys for if you don't use them. Now can we get back to the game? It's deja vu without the hellions. lol. Thanks for the heads up. Didn't notice until you pointed it out. It's not for using the emoticons though, but for using them without any other remark. My point is that i have stopped taking those surveys about the game seriously because majority of the posters will vote "no" if a terran loses. In fact I make it a point to watch the VOD (if I hadn't seen them) of the games voted no because I want to see how the terran lost. Are you really accusing TeamZerquid for being biased in favor of Terran? Thats a first. O_0  The topic was T v P
Stop using emoticons. It's annoying
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On April 12 2012 19:51 Noocta wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 19:50 Bommes wrote:On April 12 2012 19:48 Noocta wrote:On April 12 2012 19:46 Yello wrote:On April 12 2012 19:45 Noocta wrote:
We need to come out with something that punish early hive.
It's not normal zerg can safely get a Hive before 15min in my opinion. Normal TvZ is all about Terran pressuring Zerg. Nada played a passive macro-style and Leenock abused it perfectly. Terran can't go passive, neither against Toss nor against Zerg. Zerg can get early hive even against marine tanks pressure tho. Infestorling allow you to not waste any gas on thing you don't use in your lategame comp, it's just crazy efficient. Not with a mutalisk opening. There's so few people going Muta still. :/ Infestorling is just better if you don't get eated by drops. And map maker make you you don't ( I'm looking at you creator of Cloud Kingdoms... )
Your response was about punishing early hive. About Leenocks game in which he went for fast mutalisks (2 hatch, 11 minutes). You said its possible to get early hive against marine tanks with that. I disagree.
Infestorling is really irrelevant in that discussion 
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On April 12 2012 19:54 MCDayC wrote:
Raven's are actually really powerful vs Broods, it's just really hard to pull off, one mistep vs the infestors and GG.
The second part of your post in general is why Terrans hate that unit composition.
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On April 12 2012 19:52 Genome852 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 19:50 InoyouS2 wrote:
He didn't say that they were boring, he said they were meh.
Unless meh means anything other than bad please educate me as to where more skill would be on display other than GSL? Dude, just because it's high level doesn't mean there can't be one-sided / boring (bad) games. And "meh" doesn't even mean bad...
Boring is not necessarily bad.
I never said high-level play couldn't be one-sided, and one-sided games can be interesting too.
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Norway25712 Posts
It only cleaned up 2 of the Sentries didn't it?
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On April 12 2012 19:54 Noocta wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 19:52 Vindicare605 wrote:On April 12 2012 19:49 pdd wrote:On April 12 2012 19:46 Audemed wrote:On April 12 2012 19:45 Scila wrote:On April 12 2012 19:44 Audemed wrote:
Why would Yamato BC's not do well vs this sort of zerg play? Serious question. BCs take too long to build, and are easily countered by Corruptors + Neural Parasite. Broodlords really need to be made from a different unit other than corruptors. Lol you want to use air unitz? K i maek corruptor. Lol now i haz gglords. That's why the Ghost nerf was bad. It was imba vs Ultralisks, but against Broodlord it was a little bit balanced... this is because Corruptor/Infestor/Broodlord is just difficult to deal with with pure marine-viking alone. Infestor Broodlord almost requires Ghosts anyway because you need at the very least EMPs for the Infestors or the Queens if the Zerg brings them. You need Ghosts, Vikings, and Marines altogether and if you're going mech each unit is a problem to produce. Having more marines , more tanks and more viking is almost everytime better than having Ghost in TvZ right now. Just get a better concave.
What you just described isn't feasible if you open with mech. The only way for a mech army to defeat Infestor/Broodlord is with the help of Ghosts.
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Norway25712 Posts
Wow this is terrible for Leenock, wow.
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37121 Posts
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Is leenock just gonna die here? dafuq
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