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Please have some respect for the players, teams, and tournament.
Criticism is fine, criticism without anything to back it up isn't so cool.
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On March 25 2012 10:52 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2012 10:48 Hamdemon wrote:On March 25 2012 10:39 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 25 2012 10:36 nvs. wrote:On March 25 2012 10:34 megapants wrote:On March 25 2012 10:30 MooMu wrote:On March 25 2012 10:26 Hamdemon wrote:
I've missed the first day and a half of this tourney and feel like I've missed nothing. Blah blah blah koreans blah blah HuK blah Naniwa blah blah. A little interesting to see some new faces in the upper bracket though but they're just gonna get crushed 2-0 in lopsided matches. MLG should really be an NA tourney imo, does everyone really want to see the same 8 korean players or so who are well funded crushing through a bunch of fodder? Championship sunday is seeming more and more like the only point to these things.
(okay sorry for being a cynic but I've had a bad day) Take a shot or a toke, bro  For real bro just chillax majorly harsh buzzkill NA only? So no ret, TLO, Grubby, Thorzain, Hasu, etc. etc. Sounds 1000x worse LOL. No one would pay to watch a NA tournament, no one would sponsor it, no one would care about it. Koreans are going to keep getting invited because people like watching them, they bring viewers and viewers bring money. To say nothing of the fact that any tournament that prevents legitimate competition from entering is something no one would feel crazy about winning. My point is more out of frustration that I feel the NA scene is hampered by a general lack of ability to get anywhere, we're being choped off at the legs. The only way to prove yourself is to be able to beat koreans, and realistically if our ladder is really worse and our players are worse, how are we supposed to improve? I just saw IdrA and Ostojiy fold like an accordion to basic hellion pressure that didn't even look that impressive to me. The koreans have GSL and the GSTL and a proleague coming up IN KOREA. We have a bunch of tourneys that for now, are just going to be flying koreans and a few really good euro players to utterly crush anything we have. We need our own dedicated league and every time we set one it gets filled up with koreans. We don't have pro houses where a group of 12 people are practicing 80+ hours a week strategizing together, and even if we did it'd take a while to catch up. The NA scene needs a shot in the arm by someone willing to give a decent place for NA players to grow without having to face up against the top-tier koreans just yet. We should at least have some sort of "minor league" that is consistent so that we can grow. I know it's not always korean vs foreigners, but they have infastructure and a culture setup that currently, we can't compete with until we grow seperately. Well then you should be looking to simply create more small scale leagues. Koreans aren't going to bother showing up to events if it isn't worth it for them. There's no reason there can't be a semi-pro North American league (the NASL comes to mind) that is smaller scale with less financial incentive to draw in the big Korean boys, but you're still going to have to contend with European pros. Basically as long as people can make money, they're going to pursue it. The incentive to improve has to be beyond simply making money. That's the big difference about the Koreans and the North Americans. The people over there legitimately care about improving, and being the best. Over here, the motivation is about being able to make money.
The problem is the NASL like you said, along with MLG, were intially mostly americans, and now it's pretty much korean domination now that they've gotten big enough to afford to fly them in. Small scale leagues are great and I'm glad we have those, but you are now even seeing koreans playing on the NA ladder for stuff like Playhem which make it again impossible for NA to grow. Just my 2 cents though. Euro pros I feel are on the same level as Americans, maybe a bit above because their welfare system allows people to spend more time gaming, less time in a real job. That might be a broad generalization but you can't just say "Hey I'm gonna be a pro gamer" and play 80 hours a week unless it's profitable over here.
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United States23455 Posts
Polt vs. Kawaii/Oz/MC/Naniwa tomorrow.
Not the worst.
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On March 25 2012 10:57 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2012 10:31 Wombat_NI wrote:On March 25 2012 10:29 StarStruck wrote:On March 25 2012 10:25 jmbthirteen wrote:On March 25 2012 10:24 StarStruck wrote:On March 25 2012 10:22 darkscream wrote:On March 25 2012 10:22 Serpico wrote:On March 25 2012 10:21 Fionn wrote:On March 25 2012 10:20 MVTaylor wrote:
Grubby vs Select, I'll take that as last match of the night. Better than showing some awful / one sided drivel like Ostojiy vs Polt Ostojiy beat Puma. Who knows. But Polt's TvZ I would put ahead of Puma. agreed, looking for puma to improve there as well. yeah, you could say he needs to refine his timings puma is a player who's built around BOs. LMAO you couldnt be more wrong. Puma has absolutely INCREDIBLE control His game is centered around his build orders man especially TvP, but you keep telling yourself that. EVERY Stracraft player has build orders, what the hell kind of point are you trying to make? Hitting timings, especially in TvP with the supremacy of deathballs + mass gateway warpin reinforcements mean it's a necessity in series play. Puma is known for his really good army control, sniping every templar, and seemingly spotting every single obs over his army. No, man. He is very build order centric. The vast majority of the games I've seen him play are geared this way. When he loses his lack of control and decisionmaking with positioning his army is always at the forefront. Goes beyond obs sniping and ghost picks.
Puma made his name with his late game nous in TvP at NASL season 1 finals, playing many standard long games where it goes beyond executing a build order. He has a lot of good builds that he can throw out, which is a good skill to have in BoX formats
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On March 25 2012 10:55 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2012 10:52 SeventhPride wrote:On March 25 2012 10:50 jmbthirteen wrote:On March 25 2012 10:47 SeventhPride wrote:On March 25 2012 10:46 jmbthirteen wrote:On March 25 2012 10:43 SeventhPride wrote:On March 25 2012 10:43 jmbthirteen wrote:On March 25 2012 10:41 SeventhPride wrote:On March 25 2012 10:39 jmbthirteen wrote:On March 25 2012 10:38 SeventhPride wrote:
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I listen to every kind of music, even death metal. Dubstep is not music. AND its surely not in the category of metal of electronic music. Only people who like it seems to be kids. No offense. They seem to like it, my kid brother is proof of it. You know, old people said the same thing about rock n roll back in the day. the only people that like it are kids. Well then you just proved my point! :D If your point was you sound like an old close-minded man, then yes, i did prove your point! Nope! But its for kids! yes I proved my point Listen more to dumbstep, I bet your brains will be fried like radiation soon lolol. you do realize how much of a jackass you sound like right? Define kids? I mean I know a ton of people in there 20s and 30s that listen to dubstep Wow personal attack? I was sure team liquid doesn't allow it. becareful bro, don't want you getting ban. Or are you 13? lol, I see, now I know why you are so pissed. I didn't call you a jackass, I said you sound like one. And nope, I'm 22. And I hate when people try to shit on other genres of music because of opinion. Listen to what you like and let other people listen to what they like. Its complete ignorance. Did I say NO YOU CAN'T LISTEN TO DUB STEP? no I didn't. I just give a opinion. Just like how you called me a jack ass. Which is a personal attack. once again, I didn't call you a jackass, I said you SOUND like one. Very different. You are very ignorant when it comes to dubstep and don't even know what it is since you said LMFAO's shufflin is dubstep.
But noo. Every day I was shufflin  .
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On March 25 2012 10:58 Fionn wrote:
Ostojiy just got fucking destroyed.
Polt has such a favorable bracket. Ostojiy, Kawaii, and then TvP
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On March 25 2012 10:57 Aemilia wrote:
Ostojiy dying to four helions.
No offense to Ostojiy.
Polt's on a roll right now, he's already cleared past Stephano and Idra, in dominating fashion. He's in take no mercy mode. Ostojiy doesn't stand a chance when he's in that mode.
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On March 25 2012 10:57 Chunhyang wrote:
Wow, CrazymovinG, aLive, JYP, Heart! Great job coming from the open bracket!
Especially Heart, wow!
Sickest pickup from Complexity. Went completely under the radar because of Killer/Nada but he goes straight through the open in his first foreign tournament and tops his group.
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On March 25 2012 10:58 Fionn wrote:
Ostojiy just got fucking destroyed.
Polt will continue his path of destruction!
Weird ass build by SeleCT, maybe a 2 base tech timing on daybreak or he'll just tech to banshees off 1 base and metagame Grubby
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On March 25 2012 10:58 Fionn wrote:
Polt vs. Kawaii/Oz/MC/Naniwa tomorrow.
Not the worst.
Polt vs Naniwa please <3
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That Polt - Ostojiy game was just brutal. Four hellions killing two queens and like 10 drones haha...
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On March 25 2012 10:56 SeventhPride wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2012 10:55 Thinasy wrote:On March 25 2012 10:54 SeventhPride wrote:On March 25 2012 10:52 TrevaH wrote:On March 25 2012 10:52 SeventhPride wrote:On March 25 2012 10:50 jmbthirteen wrote:On March 25 2012 10:47 SeventhPride wrote:On March 25 2012 10:46 jmbthirteen wrote:On March 25 2012 10:43 SeventhPride wrote:On March 25 2012 10:43 jmbthirteen wrote:
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If your point was you sound like an old close-minded man, then yes, i did prove your point! Nope! But its for kids! yes I proved my point Listen more to dumbstep, I bet your brains will be fried like radiation soon lolol. you do realize how much of a jackass you sound like right? Define kids? I mean I know a ton of people in there 20s and 30s that listen to dubstep Wow personal attack? I was sure team liquid doesn't allow it. becareful bro, don't want you getting ban. Or are you 13? lol, I see, now I know why you are so pissed. I didn't call you a jackass, I said you sound like one. And nope, I'm 22. And I hate when people try to shit on other genres of music because of opinion. Listen to what you like and let other people listen to what they like. Its complete ignorance. Did I say NO YOU CAN'T LISTEN TO DUB STEP? no I didn't. I just give a opinion. Just like how you called me a jack ass. Which is a personal attack. Your an idiot just stop talking honestly. Its the internet? I can say what I want, though I am sure personal attacks like "your an idiot" is bannable in team liquid. Yeah just cause you're on the internet it's okey to shit on everyone's opinion about everything, get back to your cave and stfu. They have an opinion, I gave an opinion. You are the one shitting on everyone's opinion. And nah, I will say what I want to say, dumbstep is silly. Its not against the rules to say that. You on the other hand should be ban for personal attacks which were unjustified.
i think the genre since 2010 is a really goddamn good example of how americans can ruin a beautiful thing for everybody but calling a genre of music stupid shit is pretty easy to take as calling people dumb if they are passionate about said shit. you're the one being unreasonable.
User was temp banned for this post.
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On March 25 2012 10:58 Vindicare605 wrote:No offense to Ostojiy. Polt's on a roll right now, he's already cleared past Stephano and Idra, in dominating fashion. He's in take no mercy mode. Ostojiy doesn't stand a chance when he's in that mode.
As I said in my posts...it's pretty bad watching pro players folding to 4 hellion pressure, when the micro is just "move around the spine crawler".
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DAT CONTROL from PuMa, man.
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does anyone know where i can watch the other streams that has the thorzain one and the puma one?
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United States97276 Posts
On March 25 2012 11:00 Type|NarutO wrote:
DAT CONTROL from PuMa, man.
I cant see it. Tell me more <3
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Polt destroying vZ foreigner style just shows how well Sheth prepared and played his series. Polt didn't play that great against Sheth, but his scouting and watching every single Polt/Stephano VOD really helped him.
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On March 25 2012 10:59 ikh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2012 10:56 SeventhPride wrote:On March 25 2012 10:55 Thinasy wrote:On March 25 2012 10:54 SeventhPride wrote:On March 25 2012 10:52 TrevaH wrote:On March 25 2012 10:52 SeventhPride wrote:On March 25 2012 10:50 jmbthirteen wrote:On March 25 2012 10:47 SeventhPride wrote:On March 25 2012 10:46 jmbthirteen wrote:On March 25 2012 10:43 SeventhPride wrote:[quote] Nope! But its for kids! yes I proved my point Listen more to dumbstep, I bet your brains will be fried like radiation soon lolol. you do realize how much of a jackass you sound like right? Define kids? I mean I know a ton of people in there 20s and 30s that listen to dubstep Wow personal attack? I was sure team liquid doesn't allow it. becareful bro, don't want you getting ban. Or are you 13? lol, I see, now I know why you are so pissed. I didn't call you a jackass, I said you sound like one. And nope, I'm 22. And I hate when people try to shit on other genres of music because of opinion. Listen to what you like and let other people listen to what they like. Its complete ignorance. Did I say NO YOU CAN'T LISTEN TO DUB STEP? no I didn't. I just give a opinion. Just like how you called me a jack ass. Which is a personal attack. Your an idiot just stop talking honestly. Its the internet? I can say what I want, though I am sure personal attacks like "your an idiot" is bannable in team liquid. Yeah just cause you're on the internet it's okey to shit on everyone's opinion about everything, get back to your cave and stfu. They have an opinion, I gave an opinion. You are the one shitting on everyone's opinion. And nah, I will say what I want to say, dumbstep is silly. Its not against the rules to say that. You on the other hand should be ban for personal attacks which were unjustified. i think the genre since 2010 is a really goddamn good example of how americans can ruin a beautiful thing for everybody but calling a genre of music stupid shit is pretty easy to take as calling people dumb if they are passionate about said shit. you're the one being unreasonable.
he has no idea what you're talking about, lol
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BO loss...
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ThorZaIN ties it 1-1 with golden
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I'm unbelievably amused that on a website that loves kpop people have the gall to insult dubstep. Glass houses.
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