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On March 06 2012 23:39 Seraphone wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 23:36 Warpish wrote:On March 06 2012 23:35 Seraphone wrote:
MMA today is probably the most dominant I've ever seen of a player in a LAN party style tournament. Guess you haven't seen Naniwa's MLG run. vs a bunch of NA jobbers?
I'd say no one is close to Leenock's MLG run. He came from the open bracket too in flawless form. Only series he dropped was versus DRG but won later on in an extended series.
Open Bracket:
12-0
Moves to Championship Winners:
Leenock vs HayprO - ZvZ - 2:0
Leenock vs DRG - ZvZ - 0:2
Drops to Championship Losers:
Leenock vs BoxeR - ZvT - 2:0
Leenock vs Slush - ZvZ - 2:0
Leenock vs MMA - ZvT - 2:1
Leenock vs Idra - ZvZ - 2:0
Leenock vs HuK - ZvP - 2:0
Leenock vs MvP - ZvT - 2:0
Leenock vs DRG - ZvZ - 4:3
Grand Finals:
Leenock vs Naniwa - ZvP - 4:1
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On March 06 2012 23:42 zul wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 23:36 Heavenly wrote:On March 06 2012 23:35 zul wrote:
man how I hate this. Socke played a really great tourney and is still out due to 3way tie and map score. Um, what other way would they do it? The person who won more/lost less advances Na, it`s ok how they decide who advances. it`s fair. But it always makes me sad if somebody plays a good groupstage, only to be kicked out of the tourney, due to a map difference of 1.
They can't have played that good if its close enough for map score to matter.
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I also think that using map score before head to head is crap.
I mean they have same win/lose, but Socke won against JYP... still JYP advances. When you say it like that, it is way more stupid then looking at useless mapscore. And every sports using "sets", takes head to head before sets.
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On March 06 2012 23:42 seoul_kiM wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 23:36 Warpish wrote:On March 06 2012 23:35 Seraphone wrote:
MMA today is probably the most dominant I've ever seen of a player in a LAN party style tournament. Guess you haven't seen Naniwa's MLG run. Let's be real here...that was before the Koreans showed up.
It was also before NaNi went to korea. Going 24-2 during a tournament is fucking insane, no matter if the opponents were korean or not.
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On March 06 2012 23:44 Naphal wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 23:41 Doublemint wrote:On March 06 2012 23:38 Naphal wrote:
at least socke has shown us that he can easily compete with koreans, maybe not the very best koreans, but he certainly did feel out of place here! As much as I like Socke because he is an awesome guy and player... just no. Not what we have seen from him today unfortunately. The game vs MMA and now questionable decision making vs Violet. Also it was PvP vs JYP, it´s a god awful matchup and probably the most unforgiving out of all the matchups. MMA is one of the best, JYP was slaughtered and that had nothing to do with the matchup, and the games against violet were not really onesided, so i guess we can agree to disagree, socke is still awesome anyways!
The first game vs Violet was very one sided. Socke was behind all game and just got futher behind.
Game 2 Socke goes for a two base all in, Violet holds and then wins the game.
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On March 06 2012 23:45 lannisport wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 23:39 Seraphone wrote:On March 06 2012 23:36 Warpish wrote:On March 06 2012 23:35 Seraphone wrote:
MMA today is probably the most dominant I've ever seen of a player in a LAN party style tournament. Guess you haven't seen Naniwa's MLG run. vs a bunch of NA jobbers? I'd say no one is close to Leenock's MLG run. He came from the open bracket too in flawless form. Only series he dropped was versus DRG but won later on in an extended series. Open Bracket: 12-0 Moves to Championship Winners: Leenock vs HayprO - ZvZ - 2:0 Leenock vs DRG - ZvZ - 0:2 Drops to Championship Losers: Leenock vs BoxeR - ZvT - 2:0 Leenock vs Slush - ZvZ - 2:0 Leenock vs MMA - ZvT - 2:1 Leenock vs Idra - ZvZ - 2:0 Leenock vs HuK - ZvP - 2:0 Leenock vs MvP - ZvT - 2:0 Leenock vs DRG - ZvZ - 4:3 Grand Finals: Leenock vs Naniwa - ZvP - 4:1
Woah I didn't realize how dominant he was...
can't believe he 2:0'd the banjo.
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I feel MMA would had won versus Gumiho if he wasn't so sick back then, GSL ro8 if I'm not mistaken.
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On March 06 2012 23:44 Seraphone wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 23:42 KiNGxXx wrote:On March 06 2012 23:41 Seraphone wrote:On March 06 2012 23:40 Jayjay54 wrote:On March 06 2012 23:36 Heavenly wrote:On March 06 2012 23:35 zul wrote:
man how I hate this. Socke played a really great tourney and is still out due to 3way tie and map score. Um, what other way would they do it? The person who won more/lost less advances well, head to head map score favors socke. JYP won 2-1 and lost 0-2 while socke is 2-0 and 0-2. And that would have been not unfiar tbh. Socke just is out because he lost a map vs killer and strelok who are out... So head to head would have given us socke in the next round....(I was wrong before). That's great but IEM doesn't use head to head. They use map score. Which all players knew before the tournament. You can still say it's bad. IEM does use head-to-head for all other competition. Just SC2 has the map score thing. I don't see why one is less fair than the other, they're both pretty much the same.
No, they are not. If I beat you I am better than you. It shouldn't matter if you lose a map vs players who are already out or are worse.
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On March 06 2012 23:43 Seraphone wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 23:42 TheSubtleArt wrote:On March 06 2012 23:39 Seraphone wrote:On March 06 2012 23:36 Warpish wrote:On March 06 2012 23:35 Seraphone wrote:
MMA today is probably the most dominant I've ever seen of a player in a LAN party style tournament. Guess you haven't seen Naniwa's MLG run. vs a bunch of NA jobbers? Grubby sheth nestea and leenock are NA jobbers? What the fuck? I assume he meant Dallas. Naniwa didn't have a dominant run at any other events because he lost. Where as MMA went 10-0 all in very one sided stomps.
MMA is dominant until he loses. Just like Naniwa was this MLG. Naniwa as far as I am concerned actually beat a lot more better players than the ones on this group. Just saying.
And Stephano at ASUS was also dominant. And what was his streak vs protoss? 29-0 or smth.
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can anyone say what was in chat? i only saw thanks a lot
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MMA is pwning some nerds :O
MMA gonna take the tourney <3
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Big words from MC, doesn't lose to zerg anymore.
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On March 06 2012 23:45 zag wrote:
I also think that using map score before head to head is crap.
I mean they have same win/lose, but Socke won against JYP... still JYP advances. When you say it like that, it is way more stupid then looking at useless mapscore. And every sports using "sets", takes head to head before sets.
It was a tree way tie... Socke won vs JYP, JYP won vs Violet and Violet won vs Socke...
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On March 06 2012 23:45 zag wrote:
I also think that using map score before head to head is crap.
I mean they have same win/lose, but Socke won against JYP... still JYP advances. When you say it like that, it is way more stupid then looking at useless mapscore. And every sports using "sets", takes head to head before sets.
Champions league is using the head to head scores in the groupstage..
but still u r right map score is way more complicated and kind a i think..
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On March 06 2012 23:44 nokz88 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 23:40 Jayjay54 wrote:On March 06 2012 23:36 Heavenly wrote:On March 06 2012 23:35 zul wrote:
man how I hate this. Socke played a really great tourney and is still out due to 3way tie and map score. Um, what other way would they do it? The person who won more/lost less advances well, head to head map score favors socke. JYP won 2-1 and lost 0-2 while socke is 2-0 and 0-2. And that would have been not unfiar tbh. Socke just is out because he lost a map vs killer and strelok who are out... So head to head would have given us socke in the next round....(I was wrong before). That's very nice of you, ignoring the fact that JYP won against violet who won against socke. Blind fanboism at its finest
I don't ignore it. think a little.
head to head is tied 1-1 each. head to head mapscore would follow
head to head mapscore is:
JYP 2-3 Socke 2-2 and Violet 3-2. That would give us Violet and Socke advancing. How is that bias???
Head to head is used in plenty of group matches including CL and World Cup. It's not unfair. I know they choose a different system here...I just want to point out that socke would have advance in a different system.
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On March 06 2012 23:44 Naphal wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 23:41 Doublemint wrote:On March 06 2012 23:38 Naphal wrote:
at least socke has shown us that he can easily compete with koreans, maybe not the very best koreans, but he certainly did feel out of place here! As much as I like Socke because he is an awesome guy and player... just no. Not what we have seen from him today unfortunately. The game vs MMA and now questionable decision making vs Violet. Also it was PvP vs JYP, it´s a god awful matchup and probably the most unforgiving out of all the matchups. MMA is one of the best, JYP was slaughtered and that had nothing to do with the matchup, and the games against violet were not really onesided, so i guess we can agree to disagree, socke is still awesome anyways!
Haha why do people not read the whole post - insane reading skills going around ;_;
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On March 06 2012 23:45 Heavenly wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 23:45 lannisport wrote:On March 06 2012 23:39 Seraphone wrote:On March 06 2012 23:36 Warpish wrote:On March 06 2012 23:35 Seraphone wrote:
MMA today is probably the most dominant I've ever seen of a player in a LAN party style tournament. Guess you haven't seen Naniwa's MLG run. vs a bunch of NA jobbers? I'd say no one is close to Leenock's MLG run. He came from the open bracket too in flawless form. Only series he dropped was versus DRG but won later on in an extended series. Open Bracket: 12-0 Moves to Championship Winners: Leenock vs HayprO - ZvZ - 2:0 Leenock vs DRG - ZvZ - 0:2 Drops to Championship Losers: Leenock vs BoxeR - ZvT - 2:0 Leenock vs Slush - ZvZ - 2:0 Leenock vs MMA - ZvT - 2:1 Leenock vs Idra - ZvZ - 2:0 Leenock vs HuK - ZvP - 2:0 Leenock vs MvP - ZvT - 2:0 Leenock vs DRG - ZvZ - 4:3 Grand Finals: Leenock vs Naniwa - ZvP - 4:1 Woah I didn't realize how dominant he was... can't believe he 2:0'd the banjo.
He beat MMA and MVP and you're surprised about Haypro? 
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On March 06 2012 23:45 zag wrote:
I also think that using map score before head to head is crap.
I mean they have same win/lose, but Socke won against JYP... still JYP advances. When you say it like that, it is way more stupid then looking at useless mapscore. And every sports using "sets", takes head to head before sets.
You cannot use head to head in this case as it is a three-way tie using head to head where JYP > Violet > Socke > JYP and thus some other way is needed to break the tie (and frankly, map score has been used in SC2 competitions quite a few timesso this is no surprise to use it either)
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Go go Nerchio, keep them alive !!!
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