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On March 06 2012 23:40 Jayjay54 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 23:36 Heavenly wrote:On March 06 2012 23:35 zul wrote:
man how I hate this. Socke played a really great tourney and is still out due to 3way tie and map score. Um, what other way would they do it? The person who won more/lost less advances well, head to head map score favors socke. JYP won 2-1 and lost 0-2 while socke is 2-0 and 0-2. And that would have been not unfiar tbh. Socke just is out because he lost a map vs killer and strelok who are out... So head to head would have given us socke in the next round....(I was wrong before).
That's great but IEM doesn't use head to head. They use map score. Which all players knew before the tournament.
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On March 06 2012 23:38 Naphal wrote:
at least socke has shown us that he can easily compete with koreans, maybe not the very best koreans, but he certainly did feel out of place here!
As much as I like Socke because he is an awesome guy and player... just no. Not what we have seen from him today unfortunately. The game vs MMA and now questionable decision making vs Violet. Also it was PvP vs JYP, it´s a god awful matchup and probably the most unforgiving out of all the matchups.
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On March 06 2012 23:38 Sc2Null wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 23:37 Velr wrote:On March 06 2012 23:35 Sc2Null wrote:On March 06 2012 23:34 Champloo wrote:On March 06 2012 23:32 Sc2Null wrote:
I think the question that is on everyone's mind is: who's sexier: rotterdam or tasteless? I guess that question is only in the minds of homosexual viewers. and why do you assume I'm a guy..hm... Because your on a gaming forum and woman are still the minority? Why anyone would assume you not to be a guy is the real question... That leads into the psycho-analysis of a gamer and what it means to play online video games.
It means that statistically you are male and without any evidence it is reasonable to assume someone on TL is male. You will be right 1999/2000 times.
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On March 06 2012 23:36 Warpish wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 23:35 Seraphone wrote:
MMA today is probably the most dominant I've ever seen of a player in a LAN party style tournament. Guess you haven't seen Naniwa's MLG run.
Let's be real here...that was before the Koreans showed up.
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On March 06 2012 23:40 Jayjay54 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 23:36 Heavenly wrote:On March 06 2012 23:35 zul wrote:
man how I hate this. Socke played a really great tourney and is still out due to 3way tie and map score. Um, what other way would they do it? The person who won more/lost less advances well, head to head map score favors socke. JYP won 2-1 and lost 0-2 while socke is 2-0 and 0-2. And that would have been not unfiar tbh. Socke just is out because he lost a map vs killer and strelok who are out... So head to head would have given us socke in the next round....(I was wrong before).
Lol..do you have any idea how many people would be confused and complaining if they looked at the group scores and saw 6-6 advancing over 6-5? It doesn't make sense regardless of head to head score.
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On March 06 2012 23:39 Seraphone wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 23:36 Warpish wrote:On March 06 2012 23:35 Seraphone wrote:
MMA today is probably the most dominant I've ever seen of a player in a LAN party style tournament. Guess you haven't seen Naniwa's MLG run. vs a bunch of NA jobbers?
Grubby sheth nestea and leenock are NA jobbers? What the fuck?
edit; nvm, u meant the dallas run lolol
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On March 06 2012 23:36 Heavenly wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 23:35 zul wrote:
man how I hate this. Socke played a really great tourney and is still out due to 3way tie and map score. Um, what other way would they do it? The person who won more/lost less advances
Na, it`s ok how they decide who advances. it`s fair. But it always makes me sad if somebody plays a good groupstage, only to be kicked out of the tourney, due to a map difference of 1.
edit: the only other way they could have done it, was by direct comparison, but this often forces deciding matches and this can lengthen the groupstage to an unplanable extend. so again, it`s fine how IEM handles these situations.
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On March 06 2012 23:41 Seraphone wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 23:40 Jayjay54 wrote:On March 06 2012 23:36 Heavenly wrote:On March 06 2012 23:35 zul wrote:
man how I hate this. Socke played a really great tourney and is still out due to 3way tie and map score. Um, what other way would they do it? The person who won more/lost less advances well, head to head map score favors socke. JYP won 2-1 and lost 0-2 while socke is 2-0 and 0-2. And that would have been not unfiar tbh. Socke just is out because he lost a map vs killer and strelok who are out... So head to head would have given us socke in the next round....(I was wrong before). That's great but IEM doesn't use head to head. They use map score. Which all players knew before the tournament.
You can still say it's bad. IEM does use head-to-head for all other competition. Just SC2 has the map score thing.
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On March 06 2012 23:38 Naphal wrote:
at least socke has shown us that he can easily compete with koreans, maybe not the very best koreans, but he certainly did NOT feel out of place here!
How did you come to this conclusion? He won a PvP and lost 2-0 to MMA/Violet.
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On March 06 2012 23:38 Naphal wrote:
at least socke has shown us that he can easily compete with koreans, maybe not the very best koreans, but he certainly did NOT feel out of place here!
So because he beat one Korean in a PvP 2-0, and got 2-0'ed by the other 2, he's had a great tournament and shown he can "easily" compete? OK... that makes a lot of sense...
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Stream: ESL.tv Event 2
Game: MC vs Nerchio
Stream: imbalanced.tv
Game: Hasuobs vs Elfi
Stream: MoriCupStream
Game: Pause
Stream: ZeddSC
Game: Pause
Stream: GLHF.tv
Game: Pause
Stream: SC2TV RU
MMA vs Strelok
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On March 06 2012 23:42 TheSubtleArt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 23:39 Seraphone wrote:On March 06 2012 23:36 Warpish wrote:On March 06 2012 23:35 Seraphone wrote:
MMA today is probably the most dominant I've ever seen of a player in a LAN party style tournament. Guess you haven't seen Naniwa's MLG run. vs a bunch of NA jobbers? Grubby sheth nestea and leenock are NA jobbers? What the fuck?
I assume he meant Dallas. Naniwa didn't have a dominant run at any other events because he lost. Where as MMA went 10-0 all in very one sided stomps.
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On March 06 2012 23:40 Jayjay54 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 23:36 Heavenly wrote:On March 06 2012 23:35 zul wrote:
man how I hate this. Socke played a really great tourney and is still out due to 3way tie and map score. Um, what other way would they do it? The person who won more/lost less advances well, head to head map score favors socke. JYP won 2-1 and lost 0-2 while socke is 2-0 and 0-2. And that would have been not unfiar tbh. Socke just is out because he lost a map vs killer and strelok who are out... So head to head would have given us socke in the next round....(I was wrong before).
While I'm heartbroken that Socke is out, I think head to head over mapscore is not as fair of a solution. You have groupplay so the all around best players advance and that's achieved best by mapscore as a decider.
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On March 06 2012 23:37 Seraphone wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 23:35 Warpish wrote:On March 06 2012 23:30 zefreak wrote:On March 06 2012 23:30 Bashion wrote:
Am im the only one who hates broodlords? Am I the only one who hates the mothership? I actually love the mothership and i think that Blizzard is making a mistake if it decides to remove that unit. I think that removing the Thor is also a mistake. I don't like units which can completely turn everything around in one click. This isn't Warcraft 4 it's Starcraft 2, I don't like hero style units. But obviously Protoss needs something to deal with BL/Infestor in the absence of a mothership.
There are various all-ins and timing attacks, which prevent Zerg from getting there. Nothing else you can do, sadly ^^
Once u face 200/200 BL/Infestor/Corrupter you either vortex or you die.
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On March 06 2012 23:41 Maghetti wrote:
I think blizzard has to reconsider removing the mothership. When they talked of removing it the unit was a joke, but now it is critical in two different match ups and is no longer a gimmick.
Either that or give Protoss a unit that can actually handle the problems of Broodlord/Infestor armies. Carriers are shit at the moment so there's no helping that and Phoenixes don't even do jackshit against corrupters, let alone mutalisks.
I'm curious as to what they're going to do.
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MC checking out teamliquid!
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On March 06 2012 23:42 KiNGxXx wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 23:41 Seraphone wrote:On March 06 2012 23:40 Jayjay54 wrote:On March 06 2012 23:36 Heavenly wrote:On March 06 2012 23:35 zul wrote:
man how I hate this. Socke played a really great tourney and is still out due to 3way tie and map score. Um, what other way would they do it? The person who won more/lost less advances well, head to head map score favors socke. JYP won 2-1 and lost 0-2 while socke is 2-0 and 0-2. And that would have been not unfiar tbh. Socke just is out because he lost a map vs killer and strelok who are out... So head to head would have given us socke in the next round....(I was wrong before). That's great but IEM doesn't use head to head. They use map score. Which all players knew before the tournament. You can still say it's bad. IEM does use head-to-head for all other competition. Just SC2 has the map score thing.
I don't see why one is less fair than the other, they're both pretty much the same. And if you used head to head we'd have a tie anyway because JYP beat Violet, so you would need a playoff.
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On March 06 2012 23:40 Jayjay54 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 23:36 Heavenly wrote:On March 06 2012 23:35 zul wrote:
man how I hate this. Socke played a really great tourney and is still out due to 3way tie and map score. Um, what other way would they do it? The person who won more/lost less advances well, head to head map score favors socke. JYP won 2-1 and lost 0-2 while socke is 2-0 and 0-2. And that would have been not unfiar tbh. Socke just is out because he lost a map vs killer and strelok who are out... So head to head would have given us socke in the next round....(I was wrong before).
That's very nice of you, ignoring the fact that JYP won against violet who won against socke.
Blind fanboism at its finest
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On March 06 2012 23:41 Doublemint wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 23:38 Naphal wrote:
at least socke has shown us that he can easily compete with koreans, maybe not the very best koreans, but he certainly did feel out of place here! As much as I like Socke because he is an awesome guy and player... just no. Not what we have seen from him today unfortunately. The game vs MMA and now questionable decision making vs Violet. Also it was PvP vs JYP, it´s a god awful matchup and probably the most unforgiving out of all the matchups.
MMA is one of the best, JYP was slaughtered and that had nothing to do with the matchup, and the games against violet were not really onesided, so i guess we can agree to disagree, socke is still awesome anyways!
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On March 06 2012 23:42 seoul_kiM wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 23:36 Warpish wrote:On March 06 2012 23:35 Seraphone wrote:
MMA today is probably the most dominant I've ever seen of a player in a LAN party style tournament. Guess you haven't seen Naniwa's MLG run. Let's be real here...that was before the Koreans showed up.
Of course, but dominance in a tournament must be measured based on the players present at that specific tournament. It can not be measured based on hypotetical terms.
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