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DAMN YEA FUNGAL!
show that FF isn't the only spell that makes choke good!
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On February 21 2012 19:42 Seeker wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2012 19:40 DrunkenTemplar wrote:On February 21 2012 19:39 Seeker wrote:On February 21 2012 19:38 TheRidd wrote:On February 21 2012 19:37 VavPK wrote:On February 21 2012 19:34 Teoita wrote:On February 21 2012 19:33 VavPK wrote:On February 21 2012 19:31 Horseballs wrote:On February 21 2012 19:29 Exarl25 wrote:On February 21 2012 19:27 iamthedave wrote:
Storms are really a bit ridiculous in P v T, aren't they?
Zerg player here, but something is definitely off in this matchup... Really? Did you not see Boxer suicide every single Ghost he had without doing a single hitpoint of damage with them? I believe he is referring to more than just the game currently on hand. QQ aside, I've always found TvP to be a boring matchup in SC2 - both when terran was winning and when protoss was winning. I dislike the bio aesthetic and I really hate the deathball into 1 battle thing that has always dominated the matchup. Someone who isnt tunnel visioned. Thank god. I am not referring to just that last game, clearly... first game is a little more relative but I just mean the matchup in general. Protoss can misplay multiple times yet still be in good shape vs terran, yet if terran does one little thing wrong they have to be 3x the player as the protoss to pull it off. Storm is just too strong right now, it seems like terrans just are missing something in the matchup but they simply aren't, bio is the only way to go and it melts way too fast. Stop the qq. Balance whining is for Battle.net threads, not LR threads. I do believe I am entitled to my opinion here? I am not "qq'ing" at all, congrats to seed for the win. I am glad he won actually, because once HotS comes out if it does its job balance wise protosses are going to have to use more than 1 hand to beat terrans. Grats seed! I'm pretty sure you're qq'ing. HALLELUJAH!!! Somone who used you're instead of your. <3 pet hate of yours? good god yes. I am a hidden in the closet grammar nazi. Sometimes l I just want to RIP out tongues and replace them with ones from ENGL course instructors'
haha <3
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On February 21 2012 19:40 bittman wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2012 19:34 shockaslim wrote:On February 21 2012 19:29 L3g3nd_ wrote:On February 21 2012 19:28 Shellshock1122 wrote:On February 21 2012 19:27 iamthedave wrote:
Storms are really a bit ridiculous in P v T, aren't they?
Zerg player here, but something is definitely off in this matchup... They are ridiculous when you lose 10 ghosts with no emps or snipes going off yeah, if you land all your storms you obv win, but its pretty easy to avoid them cos of EMP/snipe and also cos of how slow HT are. You shuoldnt be getting hit by storms at all in TvP, or youre doing something wrong Huh what? We have been seeing HT much earlier in TvP lately, when you really can't afford ghosts, and this is the time where they are REALLY strong, All you can do as Terran is try to mitigate the damage enough so that you can try to kill the army after all of the storms have been used up after already spreading your army out, and even that is really a pipe dream. If you can't afford ghosts how can Protoss afford HT? Anyway, now that HT are so popular can we see more tanks please? Oh wait, people think mech sucks because bio is much easier and generally better. But Protoss struggled so much the moment terran did something not bio for a change (1/1/1) because of how predictable MMM became. Anyway that's just my thoughts, I know people always then counter this with the true tried methods of terran but if the top skill ceiling of terran MMM(VG) has been reached then perhaps a new strategy needs to be explored. Whether players do it on their own or Blizzard buff something it does have to happen.
Yeah 2base wierd techy timings like thor/banshee or marine/tank/banshee are freakin hard to deal with compared to anything bio, because a lot of the times you can't tell if he's 1basing or 2basing and they are pretty new so there isn't a set reaction for them. I think a lot of protoss midgame builds would probably go away (or be less common) if terran did those more often...you know, double forge, fast third on gateway units, and generally anything that doesn't get a super fast obs out.
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oh my leenock your red hair is so bright yet so dashing
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Where dat snitch at?37095 Posts
Poll: Recommend Avenge vs Terious Game 2?Yes (4) 80% If you have time (1) 20% No (0) 0% 5 total votes Your vote: Recommend Avenge vs Terious Game 2? (Vote): Yes
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Is GOM seriously showing 2 ZvZs and a PvP on the mainstream over TaeJa vs Lucky?! Why TT_TT
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Maybe should juxtapose the MMA vs Oz games this season where, MMA won twice 2-1 in Ro16 and probably his games against Puzzle even though MMA lost 1-2, as suppose to Boxer's loss tonight against Seed.
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On February 21 2012 19:27 iamthedave wrote:
Storms are really a bit ridiculous in P v T, aren't they?
Zerg player here, but something is definitely off in this matchup...
I agree wholeheartedly, far too weak and nullified by EMP/Snipe. Definitely need to bring back amulet and give templars a little buff.
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On February 21 2012 19:43 Thinasy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2012 19:41 DrunkenTemplar wrote:On February 21 2012 19:40 Thinasy wrote:On February 21 2012 19:39 DrunkenTemplar wrote:On February 21 2012 19:38 eericson000 wrote:On February 21 2012 19:36 DrunkenTemplar wrote:On February 21 2012 19:35 tomatriedes wrote:On February 21 2012 19:29 VavPK wrote:
Protoss will get nerfed, protoss can mess up soo much but if terran screws up once its over. Stupid. Utter BS. Protoss messes up one FF early game and terran can stim a move for the win. Or toss gets all HTs stimmed and army gets rolled. Or toss engages slightly wrong against 1-1-1 siege outside ramp and gg. This, missing FFs early game is the bane of my existance Toss can also not play aggressive against terran and can still get ahead unless terran plays aggressively. That's great. I'm not arguing with anyone about balance. I'm saying the idea that protoss can get away with not making any mistakes is complete crap. Huh? So if you dont make mistakes, you are supposed to get punished? Oh wait I worded that wrong lol Yeah for a second I was really doubting my own reading comprehension lol.
Yeah fuck it  you get what I mean
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On February 21 2012 19:41 tomatriedes wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2012 19:40 VavPK wrote:On February 21 2012 19:39 ZenithM wrote:On February 21 2012 19:37 VavPK wrote:On February 21 2012 19:34 Teoita wrote:On February 21 2012 19:33 VavPK wrote:On February 21 2012 19:31 Horseballs wrote:On February 21 2012 19:29 Exarl25 wrote:On February 21 2012 19:27 iamthedave wrote:
Storms are really a bit ridiculous in P v T, aren't they?
Zerg player here, but something is definitely off in this matchup... Really? Did you not see Boxer suicide every single Ghost he had without doing a single hitpoint of damage with them? I believe he is referring to more than just the game currently on hand. QQ aside, I've always found TvP to be a boring matchup in SC2 - both when terran was winning and when protoss was winning. I dislike the bio aesthetic and I really hate the deathball into 1 battle thing that has always dominated the matchup. Someone who isnt tunnel visioned. Thank god. I am not referring to just that last game, clearly... first game is a little more relative but I just mean the matchup in general. Protoss can misplay multiple times yet still be in good shape vs terran, yet if terran does one little thing wrong they have to be 3x the player as the protoss to pull it off. Storm is just too strong right now, it seems like terrans just are missing something in the matchup but they simply aren't, bio is the only way to go and it melts way too fast. Stop the qq. Balance whining is for Battle.net threads, not LR threads. I do believe I am entitled to my opinion here? I am not "qq'ing" at all, congrats to seed for the win. I am glad he won actually, because once HotS comes out if it does its job balance wise protosses are going to have to use more than 1 hand to beat terrans. Grats seed! I'm gonna warn you there, some more messages like this one and you will be temp banned from TL for sure. (I know, I did the same not long ago ;D) I said what I needed to say, people can deny it all they want but its blatantly obvious pvt is gonna get toned down a little. Yeah, we need to go back to a few months ago when the game was 'balanced' and terran were 65-35% in TvP in Korea.
Would be better than how it was now. Protosses just didn't use their tech properly back then, they learned and PvT is way too one sided. Terrans can't "evolve" much further in tvp, there isn't much else to do besides bio play and it just can't keep up. If a protoss plays an exact equally skilled terran, I would say its 70/30 in favor of protoss. I would bet $ pvt gets toned down in HotS if not sooner!
User was temp banned for this post.
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On February 21 2012 19:39 Seeker wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2012 19:38 TheRidd wrote:On February 21 2012 19:37 VavPK wrote:On February 21 2012 19:34 Teoita wrote:On February 21 2012 19:33 VavPK wrote:On February 21 2012 19:31 Horseballs wrote:On February 21 2012 19:29 Exarl25 wrote:On February 21 2012 19:27 iamthedave wrote:
Storms are really a bit ridiculous in P v T, aren't they?
Zerg player here, but something is definitely off in this matchup... Really? Did you not see Boxer suicide every single Ghost he had without doing a single hitpoint of damage with them? I believe he is referring to more than just the game currently on hand. QQ aside, I've always found TvP to be a boring matchup in SC2 - both when terran was winning and when protoss was winning. I dislike the bio aesthetic and I really hate the deathball into 1 battle thing that has always dominated the matchup. Someone who isnt tunnel visioned. Thank god. I am not referring to just that last game, clearly... first game is a little more relative but I just mean the matchup in general. Protoss can misplay multiple times yet still be in good shape vs terran, yet if terran does one little thing wrong they have to be 3x the player as the protoss to pull it off. Storm is just too strong right now, it seems like terrans just are missing something in the matchup but they simply aren't, bio is the only way to go and it melts way too fast. Stop the qq. Balance whining is for Battle.net threads, not LR threads. I do believe I am entitled to my opinion here? I am not "qq'ing" at all, congrats to seed for the win. I am glad he won actually, because once HotS comes out if it does its job balance wise protosses are going to have to use more than 1 hand to beat terrans. Grats seed! I'm pretty sure you're qq'ing. HALLELUJAH!!! Somone who used you're instead of your. <3
You're hatred of confused homophones is easily exploitable.
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That was really strange. Why would Avenge commit to an attack at that time? He was pretty much dead anyway, but there was zero chance that he was going to break BumbleBee with that army.
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On February 21 2012 19:41 tomatriedes wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2012 19:40 VavPK wrote:On February 21 2012 19:39 ZenithM wrote:On February 21 2012 19:37 VavPK wrote:On February 21 2012 19:34 Teoita wrote:On February 21 2012 19:33 VavPK wrote:On February 21 2012 19:31 Horseballs wrote:On February 21 2012 19:29 Exarl25 wrote:On February 21 2012 19:27 iamthedave wrote:
Storms are really a bit ridiculous in P v T, aren't they?
Zerg player here, but something is definitely off in this matchup... Really? Did you not see Boxer suicide every single Ghost he had without doing a single hitpoint of damage with them? I believe he is referring to more than just the game currently on hand. QQ aside, I've always found TvP to be a boring matchup in SC2 - both when terran was winning and when protoss was winning. I dislike the bio aesthetic and I really hate the deathball into 1 battle thing that has always dominated the matchup. Someone who isnt tunnel visioned. Thank god. I am not referring to just that last game, clearly... first game is a little more relative but I just mean the matchup in general. Protoss can misplay multiple times yet still be in good shape vs terran, yet if terran does one little thing wrong they have to be 3x the player as the protoss to pull it off. Storm is just too strong right now, it seems like terrans just are missing something in the matchup but they simply aren't, bio is the only way to go and it melts way too fast. Stop the qq. Balance whining is for Battle.net threads, not LR threads. I do believe I am entitled to my opinion here? I am not "qq'ing" at all, congrats to seed for the win. I am glad he won actually, because once HotS comes out if it does its job balance wise protosses are going to have to use more than 1 hand to beat terrans. Grats seed! I'm gonna warn you there, some more messages like this one and you will be temp banned from TL for sure. (I know, I did the same not long ago ;D) I said what I needed to say, people can deny it all they want but its blatantly obvious pvt is gonna get toned down a little. Yeah, we need to go back to a few months ago when the game was 'balanced' and terran were 65-35% in TvP in Korea.
Why can't you ask for something in between these two extremes?
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Bumblebee kills avenge with roaches off 4 bases vs Avenge's 2 base stalkers (with no blink...) after a scouted 2-stargate play
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On February 21 2012 19:44 dainbramage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2012 19:39 Seeker wrote:On February 21 2012 19:38 TheRidd wrote:On February 21 2012 19:37 VavPK wrote:On February 21 2012 19:34 Teoita wrote:On February 21 2012 19:33 VavPK wrote:On February 21 2012 19:31 Horseballs wrote:On February 21 2012 19:29 Exarl25 wrote:On February 21 2012 19:27 iamthedave wrote:
Storms are really a bit ridiculous in P v T, aren't they?
Zerg player here, but something is definitely off in this matchup... Really? Did you not see Boxer suicide every single Ghost he had without doing a single hitpoint of damage with them? I believe he is referring to more than just the game currently on hand. QQ aside, I've always found TvP to be a boring matchup in SC2 - both when terran was winning and when protoss was winning. I dislike the bio aesthetic and I really hate the deathball into 1 battle thing that has always dominated the matchup. Someone who isnt tunnel visioned. Thank god. I am not referring to just that last game, clearly... first game is a little more relative but I just mean the matchup in general. Protoss can misplay multiple times yet still be in good shape vs terran, yet if terran does one little thing wrong they have to be 3x the player as the protoss to pull it off. Storm is just too strong right now, it seems like terrans just are missing something in the matchup but they simply aren't, bio is the only way to go and it melts way too fast. Stop the qq. Balance whining is for Battle.net threads, not LR threads. I do believe I am entitled to my opinion here? I am not "qq'ing" at all, congrats to seed for the win. I am glad he won actually, because once HotS comes out if it does its job balance wise protosses are going to have to use more than 1 hand to beat terrans. Grats seed! I'm pretty sure you're qq'ing. HALLELUJAH!!! Somone who used you're instead of your. <3 You're hatred of confused homophones is easily exploitable.
Their knot that easy two confuse.
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I have no idea why people thought sen would win. Sure, he's decent, but Sniper is preeeeetty good.
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What were the results of Avenge vs Terious? Avenge won?
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Canada2479 Posts
On February 21 2012 19:40 bittman wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2012 19:34 shockaslim wrote:On February 21 2012 19:29 L3g3nd_ wrote:On February 21 2012 19:28 Shellshock1122 wrote:On February 21 2012 19:27 iamthedave wrote:
Storms are really a bit ridiculous in P v T, aren't they?
Zerg player here, but something is definitely off in this matchup... They are ridiculous when you lose 10 ghosts with no emps or snipes going off yeah, if you land all your storms you obv win, but its pretty easy to avoid them cos of EMP/snipe and also cos of how slow HT are. You shuoldnt be getting hit by storms at all in TvP, or youre doing something wrong Huh what? We have been seeing HT much earlier in TvP lately, when you really can't afford ghosts, and this is the time where they are REALLY strong, All you can do as Terran is try to mitigate the damage enough so that you can try to kill the army after all of the storms have been used up after already spreading your army out, and even that is really a pipe dream. If you can't afford ghosts how can Protoss afford HT? Anyway, now that HT are so popular can we see more tanks please? Oh wait, people think mech sucks because bio is much easier and generally better. But Protoss struggled so much the moment terran did something not bio for a change (1/1/1) because of how predictable MMM became. Anyway that's just my thoughts, I know people always then counter this with the true tried methods of terran but if the top skill ceiling of terran MMM(VG) has been reached then perhaps a new strategy needs to be explored. Whether players do it on their own or Blizzard buff something it does have to happen.
I'd love to see tanks/mech in TvP, though there's too counters from Protoss: they can be taken out quickly (Immortals), distance closed is too significant (blink stalkers, chargelots) or outright disabled (Mothership with Vortex and Phoenix picking them up).
That and there needs to be something to zone out the area to make mech work, like spider mines.
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