- Best of 5 -- 4 BO1 1v1s -- If tied after all 4 games there is a BO3 Ace Match - Players are picked before the match is started and picked based on the given map - 7 Week Season - Top 4 are seeded into Playoffs
Demu vs Kiwikaki could go either way, too close to call/haven't seen much of Kiwi's PvT. IdrA vs Axslav, IdrA usually fares pretty well against foreigner Protoss (except for the elite like Mana), and the map is favorable so I say IdrA wins. Artist should beat JYP, considering he is the best player on reign and JYP has shaky PvT. Puma vs Inori, Puma is a TvP beast so he should win, although I haven't seen much of Inori's PvT.
Demuslim vs Kiwi, a lot of Protoss seem to like Shattered, and I think Demuslim's TvP is a little shakey, so I'll give it to Kiwi. Idra vs Axslav, the instinct is to say Idra, but on a map that Protoss does well on, with Idra's predictability (and determination to just go Roach/Hydra every game), and with Axslav knowing him as well as anyone, I'll give it to Axslav. JYP vs Artist, both have around the same winrate in the match-up, but I'd consider JYP the more accomplished player and Protoss seems to be doing well on the map, so I'll give it to JYP. Puma vs Inori, so... a TvP... Puma?
Ace Match: There's a good chance of it being a ZvP or a PvP, with Idra being awful ZvP and Inori being amazing PvP, so Reign wins 3-2.
There, I've called it. You can all stop speculating.
Axslav versus IdrA interesting, I wonder if we are going to see some mind games. I think it will go to Acematch, and if EG sends out PuMa as ace I think they can take it.
On February 16 2012 09:29 TehTemplar wrote: Cmon Idra, don't lose another ZvP... EG 3-1 if Idra loses. 2-3 if he doesn't
Like... No offence, but are Artist/Inori on the level of JYP and PuMa?
Probably not artist but however artist is terran and this is JYP we're talking about here. I think that if Kiwikaki can beat Demuslim reign should be able to take it to an ace game but if demuslim beats kiwikaki then I say 3-1 EG.
On February 16 2012 10:47 Dzerzhinsky wrote: Demuslim vs Kiwi, a lot of Protoss seem to like Shattered, and I think Demuslim's TvP is a little shakey, so I'll give it to Kiwi. Idra vs Axslav, the instinct is to say Idra, but on a map that Protoss does well on, with Idra's predictability (and determination to just go Roach/Hydra every game), and with Axslav knowing him as well as anyone, I'll give it to Axslav. JYP vs Artist, both have around the same winrate in the match-up, but I'd consider JYP the more accomplished player and Protoss seems to be doing well on the map, so I'll give it to JYP. Puma vs Inori, so... a TvP... Puma?
Ace Match: There's a good chance of it being a ZvP or a PvP, with Idra being awful ZvP and Inori being amazing PvP, so Reign wins 3-2.
There, I've called it. You can all stop speculating.
Why the hell would EG play IdrA in their ace match? Otherwise I agree.
On February 16 2012 10:47 Dzerzhinsky wrote: Demuslim vs Kiwi, a lot of Protoss seem to like Shattered, and I think Demuslim's TvP is a little shakey, so I'll give it to Kiwi. Idra vs Axslav, the instinct is to say Idra, but on a map that Protoss does well on, with Idra's predictability (and determination to just go Roach/Hydra every game), and with Axslav knowing him as well as anyone, I'll give it to Axslav. JYP vs Artist, both have around the same winrate in the match-up, but I'd consider JYP the more accomplished player and Protoss seems to be doing well on the map, so I'll give it to JYP. Puma vs Inori, so... a TvP... Puma?
Ace Match: There's a good chance of it being a ZvP or a PvP, with Idra being awful ZvP and Inori being amazing PvP, so Reign wins 3-2.
There, I've called it. You can all stop speculating.
Why the hell would EG play IdrA in their ace match? Otherwise I agree.
On February 16 2012 10:47 Dzerzhinsky wrote: Demuslim vs Kiwi, a lot of Protoss seem to like Shattered, and I think Demuslim's TvP is a little shakey, so I'll give it to Kiwi. Idra vs Axslav, the instinct is to say Idra, but on a map that Protoss does well on, with Idra's predictability (and determination to just go Roach/Hydra every game), and with Axslav knowing him as well as anyone, I'll give it to Axslav. JYP vs Artist, both have around the same winrate in the match-up, but I'd consider JYP the more accomplished player and Protoss seems to be doing well on the map, so I'll give it to JYP. Puma vs Inori, so... a TvP... Puma?
Ace Match: There's a good chance of it being a ZvP or a PvP, with Idra being awful ZvP and Inori being amazing PvP, so Reign wins 3-2.
There, I've called it. You can all stop speculating.
Why the hell would EG play IdrA in their ace match? Otherwise I agree.
Mainly I was looking at the map stats and thinking 'they probably wouldn't play a Terran here', leaving ZvP or PvP as the options, and Idra is the only Zerg. But I agree that he is pretty unlikely.
On February 16 2012 10:47 Dzerzhinsky wrote: Demuslim vs Kiwi, a lot of Protoss seem to like Shattered, and I think Demuslim's TvP is a little shakey, so I'll give it to Kiwi. Idra vs Axslav, the instinct is to say Idra, but on a map that Protoss does well on, with Idra's predictability (and determination to just go Roach/Hydra every game), and with Axslav knowing him as well as anyone, I'll give it to Axslav. JYP vs Artist, both have around the same winrate in the match-up, but I'd consider JYP the more accomplished player and Protoss seems to be doing well on the map, so I'll give it to JYP. Puma vs Inori, so... a TvP... Puma?
Ace Match: There's a good chance of it being a ZvP or a PvP, with Idra being awful ZvP and Inori being amazing PvP, so Reign wins 3-2.
There, I've called it. You can all stop speculating.
Why the hell would EG play IdrA in their ace match? Otherwise I agree.
because he's good? EG wins 3-1 imo
You must have missed his recent preformances. And the list of his teammates.
Mainly I was looking at the map stats and thinking 'they probably wouldn't play a Terran here', leaving ZvP or PvP as the options, and Idra is the only Zerg. But I agree that he is pretty unlikely.
Mmm, fair enough. Inori's PvP is actually considerably overrated when you look at the numbers, and JYP's is pretty solid. I think he'll be the logical choice.
I would say Idra is favored against Axslav, and Demuslim and Kiwikaki can go either way, but JYP is going in by far his worst matchup against Terran. It could literally go either way here.
dang blast i have been wanting a inori vs jyp match ever since i learned jyp was considered an ace at pvp who doesn't want to witness two pvp snipers/aces going at it?
as it stands jyp vs artist should be really interesting as well as puma vs inori.
kiwikaki should be able to take demuslim but it's definetely close enough to go either way.
and i can't even begin to say how much i'd love for axslav to crush idra
On February 16 2012 10:47 Dzerzhinsky wrote: Demuslim vs Kiwi, a lot of Protoss seem to like Shattered, and I think Demuslim's TvP is a little shakey, so I'll give it to Kiwi. Idra vs Axslav, the instinct is to say Idra, but on a map that Protoss does well on, with Idra's predictability (and determination to just go Roach/Hydra every game), and with Axslav knowing him as well as anyone, I'll give it to Axslav. JYP vs Artist, both have around the same winrate in the match-up, but I'd consider JYP the more accomplished player and Protoss seems to be doing well on the map, so I'll give it to JYP. Puma vs Inori, so... a TvP... Puma?
Ace Match: There's a good chance of it being a ZvP or a PvP, with Idra being awful ZvP and Inori being amazing PvP, so Reign wins 3-2.
There, I've called it. You can all stop speculating.
Why the hell would EG play IdrA in their ace match? Otherwise I agree.
On February 16 2012 10:47 Dzerzhinsky wrote: Demuslim vs Kiwi, a lot of Protoss seem to like Shattered, and I think Demuslim's TvP is a little shakey, so I'll give it to Kiwi. Idra vs Axslav, the instinct is to say Idra, but on a map that Protoss does well on, with Idra's predictability (and determination to just go Roach/Hydra every game), and with Axslav knowing him as well as anyone, I'll give it to Axslav. JYP vs Artist, both have around the same winrate in the match-up, but I'd consider JYP the more accomplished player and Protoss seems to be doing well on the map, so I'll give it to JYP. Puma vs Inori, so... a TvP... Puma?
Ace Match: There's a good chance of it being a ZvP or a PvP, with Idra being awful ZvP and Inori being amazing PvP, so Reign wins 3-2.
There, I've called it. You can all stop speculating.
Why the hell would EG play IdrA in their ace match? Otherwise I agree.
because he's good? EG wins 3-1 imo
when is the last time he won any match?
Idra has terrible mental strength and is currently slumping, but you cannot deny that his mechanics and gameplay fundamentals are solid. He did not win IEM China or ASUS ROG by luck.
I think EG will win... Dunno which one is going to take it between Kiwi and Demu, but if Idra decides to give a shit, he will roll Axslav. I think JYP can take Artist(whom I haven't really followed at all, so I assume he is just another second tier foreigner) even though JYP's vT is shaky, and Inori is a beast at PvP iirc. But this isn't PvP, and he's playing Puma, so I'll give it to Puma
On February 16 2012 23:14 Aocowns wrote: I think EG will win... Dunno which one is going to take it between Kiwi and Demu, but if Idra decides to give a shit, he will roll Axslav. I think JYP can take Artist(whom I haven't really followed at all, so I assume he is just another second tier foreigner) even though JYP's vT is shaky, and Inori is a beast at PvP iirc. But this isn't PvP, and he's playing Puma, so I'll give it to Puma
On February 16 2012 23:14 Aocowns wrote: I think EG will win... Dunno which one is going to take it between Kiwi and Demu, but if Idra decides to give a shit, he will roll Axslav. I think JYP can take Artist(whom I haven't really followed at all, so I assume he is just another second tier foreigner) even though JYP's vT is shaky, and Inori is a beast at PvP iirc. But this isn't PvP, and he's playing Puma, so I'll give it to Puma
On February 16 2012 10:47 Dzerzhinsky wrote: Demuslim vs Kiwi, a lot of Protoss seem to like Shattered, and I think Demuslim's TvP is a little shakey, so I'll give it to Kiwi. Idra vs Axslav, the instinct is to say Idra, but on a map that Protoss does well on, with Idra's predictability (and determination to just go Roach/Hydra every game), and with Axslav knowing him as well as anyone, I'll give it to Axslav. JYP vs Artist, both have around the same winrate in the match-up, but I'd consider JYP the more accomplished player and Protoss seems to be doing well on the map, so I'll give it to JYP. Puma vs Inori, so... a TvP... Puma?
Ace Match: There's a good chance of it being a ZvP or a PvP, with Idra being awful ZvP and Inori being amazing PvP, so Reign wins 3-2.
There, I've called it. You can all stop speculating.
Why the hell would EG play IdrA in their ace match? Otherwise I agree.
because he's good? EG wins 3-1 imo
when is the last time he won any match?
Idra has terrible mental strength and is currently slumping, but you cannot deny that his mechanics and gameplay fundamentals are solid. He did not win IEM China or ASUS ROG by luck.
Gameplay fundamentals are solid? He does the same thing all the time and gets blind countered for it. He has good mechanics but it only takes you so far these days.
On February 16 2012 10:47 Dzerzhinsky wrote: Demuslim vs Kiwi, a lot of Protoss seem to like Shattered, and I think Demuslim's TvP is a little shakey, so I'll give it to Kiwi. Idra vs Axslav, the instinct is to say Idra, but on a map that Protoss does well on, with Idra's predictability (and determination to just go Roach/Hydra every game), and with Axslav knowing him as well as anyone, I'll give it to Axslav. JYP vs Artist, both have around the same winrate in the match-up, but I'd consider JYP the more accomplished player and Protoss seems to be doing well on the map, so I'll give it to JYP. Puma vs Inori, so... a TvP... Puma?
Ace Match: There's a good chance of it being a ZvP or a PvP, with Idra being awful ZvP and Inori being amazing PvP, so Reign wins 3-2.
There, I've called it. You can all stop speculating.
Why the hell would EG play IdrA in their ace match? Otherwise I agree.
because he's good? EG wins 3-1 imo
when is the last time he won any match?
Idra has terrible mental strength and is currently slumping, but you cannot deny that his mechanics and gameplay fundamentals are solid. He did not win IEM China or ASUS ROG by luck.
Gameplay fundamentals are solid? He does the same thing all the time and gets blind countered for it. He has good mechanics but it only takes you so far these days.
Reign 3-1
He has recently upped his arsenal of ownage though, and with his ZvP improving so much, I tihnk he can take it. If he bothers to give a shit about it, that is. Hopefully, he's too proud to throw games against foreigners like Axslav
On February 16 2012 10:47 Dzerzhinsky wrote: Demuslim vs Kiwi, a lot of Protoss seem to like Shattered, and I think Demuslim's TvP is a little shakey, so I'll give it to Kiwi. Idra vs Axslav, the instinct is to say Idra, but on a map that Protoss does well on, with Idra's predictability (and determination to just go Roach/Hydra every game), and with Axslav knowing him as well as anyone, I'll give it to Axslav. JYP vs Artist, both have around the same winrate in the match-up, but I'd consider JYP the more accomplished player and Protoss seems to be doing well on the map, so I'll give it to JYP. Puma vs Inori, so... a TvP... Puma?
Ace Match: There's a good chance of it being a ZvP or a PvP, with Idra being awful ZvP and Inori being amazing PvP, so Reign wins 3-2.
There, I've called it. You can all stop speculating.
Why the hell would EG play IdrA in their ace match? Otherwise I agree.
because he's good? EG wins 3-1 imo
when is the last time he won any match?
Idra has terrible mental strength and is currently slumping, but you cannot deny that his mechanics and gameplay fundamentals are solid. He did not win IEM China or ASUS ROG by luck.
Gameplay fundamentals are solid? He does the same thing all the time and gets blind countered for it. He has good mechanics but it only takes you so far these days.
Reign 3-1
He has recently upped his arsenal of ownage though, and with his ZvP improving so much, I tihnk he can take it. If he bothers to give a shit about it, that is. Hopefully, he's too proud to throw games against foreigners like Axslav
Haha by upped his arsenal you mean he now six pools when he's losing a series right?
On February 16 2012 10:47 Dzerzhinsky wrote: Demuslim vs Kiwi, a lot of Protoss seem to like Shattered, and I think Demuslim's TvP is a little shakey, so I'll give it to Kiwi. Idra vs Axslav, the instinct is to say Idra, but on a map that Protoss does well on, with Idra's predictability (and determination to just go Roach/Hydra every game), and with Axslav knowing him as well as anyone, I'll give it to Axslav. JYP vs Artist, both have around the same winrate in the match-up, but I'd consider JYP the more accomplished player and Protoss seems to be doing well on the map, so I'll give it to JYP. Puma vs Inori, so... a TvP... Puma?
Ace Match: There's a good chance of it being a ZvP or a PvP, with Idra being awful ZvP and Inori being amazing PvP, so Reign wins 3-2.
There, I've called it. You can all stop speculating.
Why the hell would EG play IdrA in their ace match? Otherwise I agree.
because he's good? EG wins 3-1 imo
when is the last time he won any match?
Idra has terrible mental strength and is currently slumping, but you cannot deny that his mechanics and gameplay fundamentals are solid. He did not win IEM China or ASUS ROG by luck.
Gameplay fundamentals are solid? He does the same thing all the time and gets blind countered for it. He has good mechanics but it only takes you so far these days.
Reign 3-1
He has recently upped his arsenal of ownage though, and with his ZvP improving so much, I tihnk he can take it. If he bothers to give a shit about it, that is. Hopefully, he's too proud to throw games against foreigners like Axslav
Haha by upped his arsenal you mean he now six pools when he's losing a series right?
On February 16 2012 10:47 Dzerzhinsky wrote: Demuslim vs Kiwi, a lot of Protoss seem to like Shattered, and I think Demuslim's TvP is a little shakey, so I'll give it to Kiwi. Idra vs Axslav, the instinct is to say Idra, but on a map that Protoss does well on, with Idra's predictability (and determination to just go Roach/Hydra every game), and with Axslav knowing him as well as anyone, I'll give it to Axslav. JYP vs Artist, both have around the same winrate in the match-up, but I'd consider JYP the more accomplished player and Protoss seems to be doing well on the map, so I'll give it to JYP. Puma vs Inori, so... a TvP... Puma?
Ace Match: There's a good chance of it being a ZvP or a PvP, with Idra being awful ZvP and Inori being amazing PvP, so Reign wins 3-2.
There, I've called it. You can all stop speculating.
Why the hell would EG play IdrA in their ace match? Otherwise I agree.
because he's good? EG wins 3-1 imo
when is the last time he won any match?
Idra has terrible mental strength and is currently slumping, but you cannot deny that his mechanics and gameplay fundamentals are solid. He did not win IEM China or ASUS ROG by luck.
Gameplay fundamentals are solid? He does the same thing all the time and gets blind countered for it. He has good mechanics but it only takes you so far these days.
Reign 3-1
He has recently upped his arsenal of ownage though, and with his ZvP improving so much, I tihnk he can take it. If he bothers to give a shit about it, that is. Hopefully, he's too proud to throw games against foreigners like Axslav
Haha by upped his arsenal you mean he now six pools when he's losing a series right?
You don't really know the reason behind the 6-pools, and you don't really give a shit about it, do you? I'm guessing you've not seen him streaming lately either
On February 16 2012 23:14 Aocowns wrote: I think EG will win... Dunno which one is going to take it between Kiwi and Demu, but if Idra decides to give a shit, he will roll Axslav. I think JYP can take Artist(whom I haven't really followed at all, so I assume he is just another second tier foreigner) even though JYP's vT is shaky, and Inori is a beast at PvP iirc. But this isn't PvP, and he's playing Puma, so I'll give it to Puma
Artist is Korean, former fOu player as well. GM currently on KR server too. Artist has pretty good TvP as well. Should be a close match, only because JYP has likely practiced his vT a lot since its his weakest matchup and he might have gotten better at in in recent weeks.
On February 16 2012 23:14 Aocowns wrote: I think EG will win... Dunno which one is going to take it between Kiwi and Demu, but if Idra decides to give a shit, he will roll Axslav. I think JYP can take Artist(whom I haven't really followed at all, so I assume he is just another second tier foreigner) even though JYP's vT is shaky, and Inori is a beast at PvP iirc. But this isn't PvP, and he's playing Puma, so I'll give it to Puma
Artist is Korean, former fOu player as well. GM currently on KR server too. Artist has pretty good TvP as well. Should be a close match, only because JYP has likely practiced his vT a lot since its his weakest matchup and he might have gotten better at in in recent weeks.
So much for a second tier foreigner then, lol. That sounds like it has potential to be a great match
On February 16 2012 10:47 Dzerzhinsky wrote: Demuslim vs Kiwi, a lot of Protoss seem to like Shattered, and I think Demuslim's TvP is a little shakey, so I'll give it to Kiwi. Idra vs Axslav, the instinct is to say Idra, but on a map that Protoss does well on, with Idra's predictability (and determination to just go Roach/Hydra every game), and with Axslav knowing him as well as anyone, I'll give it to Axslav. JYP vs Artist, both have around the same winrate in the match-up, but I'd consider JYP the more accomplished player and Protoss seems to be doing well on the map, so I'll give it to JYP. Puma vs Inori, so... a TvP... Puma?
Ace Match: There's a good chance of it being a ZvP or a PvP, with Idra being awful ZvP and Inori being amazing PvP, so Reign wins 3-2.
There, I've called it. You can all stop speculating.
Why the hell would EG play IdrA in their ace match? Otherwise I agree.
because he's good? EG wins 3-1 imo
when is the last time he won any match?
Idra has terrible mental strength and is currently slumping, but you cannot deny that his mechanics and gameplay fundamentals are solid. He did not win IEM China or ASUS ROG by luck.
Gameplay fundamentals are solid? He does the same thing all the time and gets blind countered for it. He has good mechanics but it only takes you so far these days.
Reign 3-1
He has recently upped his arsenal of ownage though, and with his ZvP improving so much, I tihnk he can take it. If he bothers to give a shit about it, that is. Hopefully, he's too proud to throw games against foreigners like Axslav
On February 16 2012 10:47 Dzerzhinsky wrote: Demuslim vs Kiwi, a lot of Protoss seem to like Shattered, and I think Demuslim's TvP is a little shakey, so I'll give it to Kiwi. Idra vs Axslav, the instinct is to say Idra, but on a map that Protoss does well on, with Idra's predictability (and determination to just go Roach/Hydra every game), and with Axslav knowing him as well as anyone, I'll give it to Axslav. JYP vs Artist, both have around the same winrate in the match-up, but I'd consider JYP the more accomplished player and Protoss seems to be doing well on the map, so I'll give it to JYP. Puma vs Inori, so... a TvP... Puma?
Ace Match: There's a good chance of it being a ZvP or a PvP, with Idra being awful ZvP and Inori being amazing PvP, so Reign wins 3-2.
There, I've called it. You can all stop speculating.
Why the hell would EG play IdrA in their ace match? Otherwise I agree.
because he's good? EG wins 3-1 imo
when is the last time he won any match?
Idra has terrible mental strength and is currently slumping, but you cannot deny that his mechanics and gameplay fundamentals are solid. He did not win IEM China or ASUS ROG by luck.
Gameplay fundamentals are solid? He does the same thing all the time and gets blind countered for it. He has good mechanics but it only takes you so far these days.
Reign 3-1
He has recently upped his arsenal of ownage though, and with his ZvP improving so much, I tihnk he can take it. If he bothers to give a shit about it, that is. Hopefully, he's too proud to throw games against foreigners like Axslav
What does this mean?
Probably something about being in Korea and playing a lot, but I don't know. It really depends on when these games were played, since some leagues are using month old replays from when many of the foreigners in Korea right now weren't fully situated.
On February 16 2012 10:47 Dzerzhinsky wrote: Demuslim vs Kiwi, a lot of Protoss seem to like Shattered, and I think Demuslim's TvP is a little shakey, so I'll give it to Kiwi. Idra vs Axslav, the instinct is to say Idra, but on a map that Protoss does well on, with Idra's predictability (and determination to just go Roach/Hydra every game), and with Axslav knowing him as well as anyone, I'll give it to Axslav. JYP vs Artist, both have around the same winrate in the match-up, but I'd consider JYP the more accomplished player and Protoss seems to be doing well on the map, so I'll give it to JYP. Puma vs Inori, so... a TvP... Puma?
Ace Match: There's a good chance of it being a ZvP or a PvP, with Idra being awful ZvP and Inori being amazing PvP, so Reign wins 3-2.
There, I've called it. You can all stop speculating.
Why the hell would EG play IdrA in their ace match? Otherwise I agree.
because he's good? EG wins 3-1 imo
when is the last time he won any match?
Idra has terrible mental strength and is currently slumping, but you cannot deny that his mechanics and gameplay fundamentals are solid. He did not win IEM China or ASUS ROG by luck.
Gameplay fundamentals are solid? He does the same thing all the time and gets blind countered for it. He has good mechanics but it only takes you so far these days.
Reign 3-1
He has recently upped his arsenal of ownage though, and with his ZvP improving so much, I tihnk he can take it. If he bothers to give a shit about it, that is. Hopefully, he's too proud to throw games against foreigners like Axslav
What does this mean?
he has been doing a lot better vP on his stream...
yea i haven't seen Axslav beat IdrA yet ever (like WCG qualifer, assorted small brackets like IEM shits) lol so I'm still going to hand that one to IdrA
On February 16 2012 10:47 Dzerzhinsky wrote: Demuslim vs Kiwi, a lot of Protoss seem to like Shattered, and I think Demuslim's TvP is a little shakey, so I'll give it to Kiwi. Idra vs Axslav, the instinct is to say Idra, but on a map that Protoss does well on, with Idra's predictability (and determination to just go Roach/Hydra every game), and with Axslav knowing him as well as anyone, I'll give it to Axslav. JYP vs Artist, both have around the same winrate in the match-up, but I'd consider JYP the more accomplished player and Protoss seems to be doing well on the map, so I'll give it to JYP. Puma vs Inori, so... a TvP... Puma?
Ace Match: There's a good chance of it being a ZvP or a PvP, with Idra being awful ZvP and Inori being amazing PvP, so Reign wins 3-2.
There, I've called it. You can all stop speculating.
Why the hell would EG play IdrA in their ace match? Otherwise I agree.
because he's good? EG wins 3-1 imo
when is the last time he won any match?
Idra has terrible mental strength and is currently slumping, but you cannot deny that his mechanics and gameplay fundamentals are solid. He did not win IEM China or ASUS ROG by luck.
Gameplay fundamentals are solid? He does the same thing all the time and gets blind countered for it. He has good mechanics but it only takes you so far these days.
Reign 3-1
He has recently upped his arsenal of ownage though, and with his ZvP improving so much, I tihnk he can take it. If he bothers to give a shit about it, that is. Hopefully, he's too proud to throw games against foreigners like Axslav
"like Axslav", even though Axslav isnt one of the best foreigners, he's good enough to completely smack Idra.
On February 16 2012 10:47 Dzerzhinsky wrote: Demuslim vs Kiwi, a lot of Protoss seem to like Shattered, and I think Demuslim's TvP is a little shakey, so I'll give it to Kiwi. Idra vs Axslav, the instinct is to say Idra, but on a map that Protoss does well on, with Idra's predictability (and determination to just go Roach/Hydra every game), and with Axslav knowing him as well as anyone, I'll give it to Axslav. JYP vs Artist, both have around the same winrate in the match-up, but I'd consider JYP the more accomplished player and Protoss seems to be doing well on the map, so I'll give it to JYP. Puma vs Inori, so... a TvP... Puma?
Ace Match: There's a good chance of it being a ZvP or a PvP, with Idra being awful ZvP and Inori being amazing PvP, so Reign wins 3-2.
There, I've called it. You can all stop speculating.
Why the hell would EG play IdrA in their ace match? Otherwise I agree.
because he's good? EG wins 3-1 imo
when is the last time he won any match?
Idra has terrible mental strength and is currently slumping, but you cannot deny that his mechanics and gameplay fundamentals are solid. He did not win IEM China or ASUS ROG by luck.
Gameplay fundamentals are solid? He does the same thing all the time and gets blind countered for it. He has good mechanics but it only takes you so far these days.
Reign 3-1
He has recently upped his arsenal of ownage though, and with his ZvP improving so much, I tihnk he can take it. If he bothers to give a shit about it, that is. Hopefully, he's too proud to throw games against foreigners like Axslav
"like Axslav", even though Axslav isnt one of the best foreigners, he's good enough to completely smack Idra.
On February 16 2012 10:47 Dzerzhinsky wrote: Demuslim vs Kiwi, a lot of Protoss seem to like Shattered, and I think Demuslim's TvP is a little shakey, so I'll give it to Kiwi. Idra vs Axslav, the instinct is to say Idra, but on a map that Protoss does well on, with Idra's predictability (and determination to just go Roach/Hydra every game), and with Axslav knowing him as well as anyone, I'll give it to Axslav. JYP vs Artist, both have around the same winrate in the match-up, but I'd consider JYP the more accomplished player and Protoss seems to be doing well on the map, so I'll give it to JYP. Puma vs Inori, so... a TvP... Puma?
Ace Match: There's a good chance of it being a ZvP or a PvP, with Idra being awful ZvP and Inori being amazing PvP, so Reign wins 3-2.
There, I've called it. You can all stop speculating.
Why the hell would EG play IdrA in their ace match? Otherwise I agree.
because he's good? EG wins 3-1 imo
when is the last time he won any match?
Idra has terrible mental strength and is currently slumping, but you cannot deny that his mechanics and gameplay fundamentals are solid. He did not win IEM China or ASUS ROG by luck.
Gameplay fundamentals are solid? He does the same thing all the time and gets blind countered for it. He has good mechanics but it only takes you so far these days.
Reign 3-1
He has recently upped his arsenal of ownage though, and with his ZvP improving so much, I tihnk he can take it. If he bothers to give a shit about it, that is. Hopefully, he's too proud to throw games against foreigners like Axslav
"like Axslav", even though Axslav isnt one of the best foreigners, he's good enough to completely smack Idra.
I don't know why but because Reign disbanded and it was announced today I am no longer excited for these games because reign obviously and sadly doesn't exist anymore. Which sucks because I loved reign and EG and was looking forward to this Team league
On February 16 2012 10:47 Dzerzhinsky wrote: Demuslim vs Kiwi, a lot of Protoss seem to like Shattered, and I think Demuslim's TvP is a little shakey, so I'll give it to Kiwi. Idra vs Axslav, the instinct is to say Idra, but on a map that Protoss does well on, with Idra's predictability (and determination to just go Roach/Hydra every game), and with Axslav knowing him as well as anyone, I'll give it to Axslav. JYP vs Artist, both have around the same winrate in the match-up, but I'd consider JYP the more accomplished player and Protoss seems to be doing well on the map, so I'll give it to JYP. Puma vs Inori, so... a TvP... Puma?
Ace Match: There's a good chance of it being a ZvP or a PvP, with Idra being awful ZvP and Inori being amazing PvP, so Reign wins 3-2.
There, I've called it. You can all stop speculating.
Why the hell would EG play IdrA in their ace match? Otherwise I agree.
because he's good? EG wins 3-1 imo
when is the last time he won any match?
Idra has terrible mental strength and is currently slumping, but you cannot deny that his mechanics and gameplay fundamentals are solid. He did not win IEM China or ASUS ROG by luck.
Gameplay fundamentals are solid? He does the same thing all the time and gets blind countered for it. He has good mechanics but it only takes you so far these days.
Reign 3-1
He has recently upped his arsenal of ownage though, and with his ZvP improving so much, I tihnk he can take it. If he bothers to give a shit about it, that is. Hopefully, he's too proud to throw games against foreigners like Axslav
"like Axslav", even though Axslav isnt one of the best foreigners, he's good enough to completely smack Idra.
"isn't one of the best foreigners" like idra is.
No he's not.
Haha it's quotes like these which make me smile. People sometimes are extremely impaired in their ability to logically think because of bias .
Why the hell would EG play IdrA in their ace match? Otherwise I agree.
because he's good? EG wins 3-1 imo
when is the last time he won any match?
Idra has terrible mental strength and is currently slumping, but you cannot deny that his mechanics and gameplay fundamentals are solid. He did not win IEM China or ASUS ROG by luck.
Gameplay fundamentals are solid? He does the same thing all the time and gets blind countered for it. He has good mechanics but it only takes you so far these days.
Reign 3-1
He has recently upped his arsenal of ownage though, and with his ZvP improving so much, I tihnk he can take it. If he bothers to give a shit about it, that is. Hopefully, he's too proud to throw games against foreigners like Axslav
"like Axslav", even though Axslav isnt one of the best foreigners, he's good enough to completely smack Idra.
"isn't one of the best foreigners" like idra is.
No he's not.
Haha it's quotes like these which make me smile. People sometimes are extremely impaired in their ability to logically think because of bias .
Kas, Stephano, Mana, Thorzain (Even if he's been doing pretty bad lately aswell), Naniwa, Ret, HuK to name a few players that is better then idra, but oh well.. Keep being blinded by ignorance.
On February 16 2012 13:28 ravenKRaz wrote: [quote] because he's good? EG wins 3-1 imo
when is the last time he won any match?
Idra has terrible mental strength and is currently slumping, but you cannot deny that his mechanics and gameplay fundamentals are solid. He did not win IEM China or ASUS ROG by luck.
Gameplay fundamentals are solid? He does the same thing all the time and gets blind countered for it. He has good mechanics but it only takes you so far these days.
Reign 3-1
He has recently upped his arsenal of ownage though, and with his ZvP improving so much, I tihnk he can take it. If he bothers to give a shit about it, that is. Hopefully, he's too proud to throw games against foreigners like Axslav
"like Axslav", even though Axslav isnt one of the best foreigners, he's good enough to completely smack Idra.
"isn't one of the best foreigners" like idra is.
No he's not.
Haha it's quotes like these which make me smile. People sometimes are extremely impaired in their ability to logically think because of bias .
Kas, Stephano, Mana, Thorzain (Even if he's been doing pretty bad lately aswell), Naniwa, Ret, HuK to name a few players that is better then idra, but oh well.. Keep being blinded by ignorance.
okay there buddy, thanks for your input. Even if those players are better than him, some of them are very debatable, if you can't name anymore then idra is one of the best foreigners. Anyways not to be a grammar nazi but those players *are not "is" better than idra.
On February 16 2012 13:28 ravenKRaz wrote: [quote] because he's good? EG wins 3-1 imo
when is the last time he won any match?
Idra has terrible mental strength and is currently slumping, but you cannot deny that his mechanics and gameplay fundamentals are solid. He did not win IEM China or ASUS ROG by luck.
Gameplay fundamentals are solid? He does the same thing all the time and gets blind countered for it. He has good mechanics but it only takes you so far these days.
Reign 3-1
He has recently upped his arsenal of ownage though, and with his ZvP improving so much, I tihnk he can take it. If he bothers to give a shit about it, that is. Hopefully, he's too proud to throw games against foreigners like Axslav
"like Axslav", even though Axslav isnt one of the best foreigners, he's good enough to completely smack Idra.
"isn't one of the best foreigners" like idra is.
No he's not.
Haha it's quotes like these which make me smile. People sometimes are extremely impaired in their ability to logically think because of bias .
Kas, Stephano, Mana, Thorzain (Even if he's been doing pretty bad lately aswell), Naniwa, Ret, HuK to name a few players that is better then idra, but oh well.. Keep being blinded by ignorance.
Except only three of them have won more than Idra (Tournaments and prize money).
Idra has terrible mental strength and is currently slumping, but you cannot deny that his mechanics and gameplay fundamentals are solid. He did not win IEM China or ASUS ROG by luck.
Gameplay fundamentals are solid? He does the same thing all the time and gets blind countered for it. He has good mechanics but it only takes you so far these days.
Reign 3-1
He has recently upped his arsenal of ownage though, and with his ZvP improving so much, I tihnk he can take it. If he bothers to give a shit about it, that is. Hopefully, he's too proud to throw games against foreigners like Axslav
"like Axslav", even though Axslav isnt one of the best foreigners, he's good enough to completely smack Idra.
"isn't one of the best foreigners" like idra is.
No he's not.
Haha it's quotes like these which make me smile. People sometimes are extremely impaired in their ability to logically think because of bias .
Kas, Stephano, Mana, Thorzain (Even if he's been doing pretty bad lately aswell), Naniwa, Ret, HuK to name a few players that is better then idra, but oh well.. Keep being blinded by ignorance.
Except only three of them have won more than Idra (Tournaments and prize money).
Yeah old tournament wins is the same thing as being good right now, am I right?
Idra has terrible mental strength and is currently slumping, but you cannot deny that his mechanics and gameplay fundamentals are solid. He did not win IEM China or ASUS ROG by luck.
Gameplay fundamentals are solid? He does the same thing all the time and gets blind countered for it. He has good mechanics but it only takes you so far these days.
Reign 3-1
He has recently upped his arsenal of ownage though, and with his ZvP improving so much, I tihnk he can take it. If he bothers to give a shit about it, that is. Hopefully, he's too proud to throw games against foreigners like Axslav
"like Axslav", even though Axslav isnt one of the best foreigners, he's good enough to completely smack Idra.
"isn't one of the best foreigners" like idra is.
No he's not.
Haha it's quotes like these which make me smile. People sometimes are extremely impaired in their ability to logically think because of bias .
Kas, Stephano, Mana, Thorzain (Even if he's been doing pretty bad lately aswell), Naniwa, Ret, HuK to name a few players that is better then idra, but oh well.. Keep being blinded by ignorance.
okay there buddy, thanks for your input. Even if those players are better than him, some of them are very debatable, if you can't name anymore then idra is one of the best foreigners. Anyways not to be a grammar nazi but those players *are not "is" better than idra.
Rofl, yeah name 7 players and you stil aren't happy? way to go.
On February 16 2012 15:06 Bagration wrote: [quote]
Idra has terrible mental strength and is currently slumping, but you cannot deny that his mechanics and gameplay fundamentals are solid. He did not win IEM China or ASUS ROG by luck.
Gameplay fundamentals are solid? He does the same thing all the time and gets blind countered for it. He has good mechanics but it only takes you so far these days.
Reign 3-1
He has recently upped his arsenal of ownage though, and with his ZvP improving so much, I tihnk he can take it. If he bothers to give a shit about it, that is. Hopefully, he's too proud to throw games against foreigners like Axslav
"like Axslav", even though Axslav isnt one of the best foreigners, he's good enough to completely smack Idra.
"isn't one of the best foreigners" like idra is.
No he's not.
Haha it's quotes like these which make me smile. People sometimes are extremely impaired in their ability to logically think because of bias .
Kas, Stephano, Mana, Thorzain (Even if he's been doing pretty bad lately aswell), Naniwa, Ret, HuK to name a few players that is better then idra, but oh well.. Keep being blinded by ignorance.
Except only three of them have won more than Idra (Tournaments and prize money).
Yeah old tournament wins is the same thing as being good right now, am I right?
Yeah, winning old and recent tournaments is actually a good, objective way of saying if a player is good or not.
As opposed to whatever subjective standard you're trying to apply.
IdrA's play is disgusting. I can't stand watching this dude anymore, sigh, used to love him so much and thought he was on the up but to see him degrade himself after being back in Korea just makes me give up on him
wow.. both players playing soo soo bad. A protoss who lets lings into his choke 3 times, a zerg who rallies mutas into waiting phoenixes one by one. I'm sure both are great players, but these two really look like low Masters. Idra seems really really rusty.
On February 17 2012 11:41 Empirimancer wrote: Sh*t, I missed Kiwikaki's match. How did he win?
DeMusliM went for a push with combat shield marines. Kiwikaki went for 7 gates after his expo and he held the push (a bit sloppily but he held), DeMuslim tried to go for a third after that and Kiwikaki basically warped in mass sentries and zealots and killed him.
On February 17 2012 11:42 Bagration wrote: I hope Reign wins this, as it would be nice for the team to end it's existence with a win.
They will keep playing in team leagues until the end of the league or until enough players leave so there's a good chance they get in another match or two vs other teams.
i think axslav is reaaaly good but he's a little slow i believe idra just wanted to take advantage of that with lings and mutas and such and thats why we saw that play style he used. Considering it is a great map for protoss.
On February 17 2012 11:43 McPhiz wrote: i think axslav is reaaaly good but he's a little slow i believe idra just wanted to take advantage of that with lings and mutas and such and thats why we saw that play style he used. Considering it is a great map for protoss.
It's actually an amazing map for mutaling.
Also: Gretorp, I don't think incredulous means what you think it means
On February 17 2012 11:43 McPhiz wrote: i think axslav is reaaaly good but he's a little slow i believe idra just wanted to take advantage of that with lings and mutas and such and thats why we saw that play style he used. Considering it is a great map for protoss.
It's actually an amazing map for mutaling.
Also: Gretorp, I don't think incredulous means what you think it means
haha yes i agree thats why i said he wanted to take advantage of that with muttas and lings
On February 17 2012 11:45 Ice Climber wrote: I can't say that was the best game of all time from IdrA, but I liked his build at least.
Quick spire gives some flexibility against that air play by protoss at least; not sure how it would stand up to mass gateway all-ins
Anyone else have a general opinion on his build? promising or no?
Well if it was a gateway allin I feel like he would have played it differently. If his overseer scouted 4-5 gateways going down instead of that startgate he probably would have thrown down some spines and made mutas instead of corrupters.
If he made enough spines then +1/+1 lings with spines and mutas can handle gateway allins.
On February 17 2012 11:48 McPhiz wrote: haha yes i agree thats why i said he wanted to take advantage of that with muttas and lings
Oh, I must have misread that as "it's a good map for protoss" instead of "a good map for mutaling against protoss" - Unless you meant both, then I'm really confused :O
On February 17 2012 11:48 McPhiz wrote: haha yes i agree thats why i said he wanted to take advantage of that with muttas and lings
Oh, I must have misread that as "it's a good map for protoss" instead of "a good map for mutaling against protoss" - Unless you meant both, then I'm really confused :O
yeah I said both.. i realize how stupid that must sound now :D
On February 17 2012 11:43 McPhiz wrote: i think axslav is reaaaly good but he's a little slow i believe idra just wanted to take advantage of that with lings and mutas and such and thats why we saw that play style he used. Considering it is a great map for protoss.
everyone knows axslav only has like 60 apm, ofcourse idra is gonna try to exploit that. made idra look sloppy as it was nothing like his normal play, watching those mutas die was painful, but still an effective choice.
On February 17 2012 11:43 McPhiz wrote: i think axslav is reaaaly good but he's a little slow i believe idra just wanted to take advantage of that with lings and mutas and such and thats why we saw that play style he used. Considering it is a great map for protoss.
everyone knows axslav only has like 60 apm, ofcourse idra is gonna try to exploit that. made idra look sloppy as it was nothing like his normal play, watching those mutas die was painful, but still an effective choice.
I think the problem was more Korea-to-NA latency than it was the build.
On February 17 2012 11:43 McPhiz wrote: i think axslav is reaaaly good but he's a little slow i believe idra just wanted to take advantage of that with lings and mutas and such and thats why we saw that play style he used. Considering it is a great map for protoss.
everyone knows axslav only has like 60 apm, ofcourse idra is gonna try to exploit that. made idra look sloppy as it was nothing like his normal play, watching those mutas die was painful, but still an effective choice.
I think the problem was more Korea-to-NA latency than it was the build.
Eh? How do we find out which server each match is played on? or are they all played on the NA server?
On February 17 2012 11:43 McPhiz wrote: i think axslav is reaaaly good but he's a little slow i believe idra just wanted to take advantage of that with lings and mutas and such and thats why we saw that play style he used. Considering it is a great map for protoss.
everyone knows axslav only has like 60 apm, ofcourse idra is gonna try to exploit that. made idra look sloppy as it was nothing like his normal play, watching those mutas die was painful, but still an effective choice.
I think the problem was more Korea-to-NA latency than it was the build.
Eh? How do we find out which server each match is played on? or are they all played on the NA server?
Probably all on NA considering they have to bring in multiple spectators from NA. I guess they could all use Korean accounts, but I can't imagine KR latency with four NA connections would be any better.
On February 17 2012 11:43 McPhiz wrote: i think axslav is reaaaly good but he's a little slow i believe idra just wanted to take advantage of that with lings and mutas and such and thats why we saw that play style he used. Considering it is a great map for protoss.
everyone knows axslav only has like 60 apm, ofcourse idra is gonna try to exploit that. made idra look sloppy as it was nothing like his normal play, watching those mutas die was painful, but still an effective choice.
I think the problem was more Korea-to-NA latency than it was the build.
Eh? How do we find out which server each match is played on? or are they all played on the NA server?
Probably all on NA considering they have to bring in multiple spectators from NA. I guess they could all use Korean accounts, but I can't imagine KR latency with four NA connections would be any better.
But what about when both players are situated in Korea?
On February 17 2012 11:43 McPhiz wrote: i think axslav is reaaaly good but he's a little slow i believe idra just wanted to take advantage of that with lings and mutas and such and thats why we saw that play style he used. Considering it is a great map for protoss.
everyone knows axslav only has like 60 apm, ofcourse idra is gonna try to exploit that. made idra look sloppy as it was nothing like his normal play, watching those mutas die was painful, but still an effective choice.
I think the problem was more Korea-to-NA latency than it was the build.
Eh? How do we find out which server each match is played on? or are they all played on the NA server?
Probably all on NA considering they have to bring in multiple spectators from NA. I guess they could all use Korean accounts, but I can't imagine KR latency with four NA connections would be any better.
But what about when both players are situated in Korea?
I'd guess they play KR-KR with NASL reps connecting from NA, but that seems like it would be just as laggy anyway... It would be nice if someone from NASL was able to comment on the matter.
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