- Best of 5 -- 4 BO1 1v1s -- If tied after all 4 games there is a BO3 Ace Match - Players are picked before the match is started and picked based on the given map - 7 Week Season - Top 4 are seeded into Playoffs
Gogo mouz, I'd say they're favored but it's certainly debatable! In my opinion, they'll take it.
Damn it, this is today already? I'd have loved to watch it live, but I'm getting sick and need sleep. First time I'm glad that there's free 1080p VODs.
Oh man this should be good. Puma really should beat Morrow, his TvZ has been looking good on stream. Idra vs Thorzain can go either way. Hasnt Tzain been having problems with Z lately? And its Idras best match up. But he will be playing from Korea. Im 50/50 on that one. Hasu is certainly the favorite against incontrol, IPL 4 qualifier spoiler + Show Spoiler +
but incontrol did just 2-0 grubby so its possible. And i feel like incontrol has studied hasu a lot cause he likes the way he plays
. And JYP should be the favorite against Mana, but Mana is really strong and JYP is playibg from Korea.
On February 12 2012 07:29 jmbthirteen wrote: Oh man this should be good. Puma really should beat Morrow, his TvZ has been looking good on stream. Idra vs Thorzain can go either way. Hasnt Tzain been having problems with Z lately? And its Idras best match up. But he will be playing from Korea. Im 50/50 on that one. Hasu is certainly the favorite against incontrol, IPL 4 qualifier spoiler + Show Spoiler +
but incontrol did just 2-0 grubby so its possible. And i feel like incontrol has studied hasu a lot cause he likes the way he plays
. And JYP should be the favorite against Mana, but Mana is really strong and JYP is playibg from Korea.
Morrow has been in korea for a while now and is hopefully practicing exclusively ZvT since his next three rounds in code A would probably be ZvT provided he wins.
Thorzain > Idra
Thorzain's TvZ is not his best, but he has recently been taking games off some very solid ZvTers, namely Stephano, Ret and viOlet. Couple that with the latency advantage for him and idra's predictable ZvT style I see him winning this game.
HasuObs > iNcontrol
HasuObs has not shown the best of forms lately, but is still a much better player than geoff. It is a bo1 PVP however so anything can happen.
Morrow is a player you can never count out. Puma is going to be a challenge for him Thorzain vs Idra. hmm could go either way Hasu vs inc well hasuobs had bad results recently but i still think he take it. Mana and JYP. Could go either way but i bet on JYP
Morrow Idra (both are in bad form at the moment) Hasu JYP
2-2. Ace match will be weird. I am quite confident that Morrow is the best player on Mouz at the moment, but I could definitely see Thorzain also being sent out for the ace match. Gonna come down to guess work on EG's side. JYP is the right pick against Morrow, but if it ends up being Thorzain than EG is likely screwed. Would be really cool to see a wild HuK appear and dominate the ace match, but obviously he has yet to take part in this team league and I don't see why that would change all of a sudden.
So ace match I will say Puma takes out Thorzain to bring the win home for EG.
On February 12 2012 07:29 jmbthirteen wrote: Oh man this should be good. Puma really should beat Morrow, his TvZ has been looking good on stream. Idra vs Thorzain can go either way. Hasnt Tzain been having problems with Z lately? And its Idras best match up. But he will be playing from Korea. Im 50/50 on that one. Hasu is certainly the favorite against incontrol, IPL 4 qualifier spoiler + Show Spoiler +
but incontrol did just 2-0 grubby so its possible. And i feel like incontrol has studied hasu a lot cause he likes the way he plays
. And JYP should be the favorite against Mana, but Mana is really strong and JYP is playibg from Korea.
This really can go either way.
No,thorzain beating zergs left and right.
he is? Where? Looking at TLPD I don't really see that. I see he beat Stephano, Darkforce and LaLush, but has lost to Ret, Violet, Stephano x2 and Nerchio. His TvZ has always been his worst match up too.
On February 12 2012 07:43 Hall0wed wrote: Morrow Idra (both are in bad form at the moment) Hasu JYP
2-2. Ace match will be weird. I am quite confident that Morrow is the best player on Mouz at the moment, but I could definitely see Thorzain also being sent out for the ace match. Gonna come down to guess work on EG's side. JYP is the right pick against Morrow, but if it ends up being Thorzain than EG is likely screwed. Would be really cool to see a wild HuK appear and dominate the ace match, but obviously he has yet to take part in this team league and I don't see why that would change all of a sudden.
So ace match I will say Puma takes out Thorzain to bring the win home for EG.
EG 3-2
Thorzain in bad form? I've missed that. He's been tearing zergs up since his bad performance at HSC4 (and before that). 2nd in SCI4 beating ret, 3rd in mlg europe, 2nd in MSI pro cup beating stephano for example.
On February 12 2012 07:43 Hall0wed wrote: Morrow Idra (both are in bad form at the moment) Hasu JYP
2-2. Ace match will be weird. I am quite confident that Morrow is the best player on Mouz at the moment, but I could definitely see Thorzain also being sent out for the ace match. Gonna come down to guess work on EG's side. JYP is the right pick against Morrow, but if it ends up being Thorzain than EG is likely screwed. Would be really cool to see a wild HuK appear and dominate the ace match, but obviously he has yet to take part in this team league and I don't see why that would change all of a sudden.
So ace match I will say Puma takes out Thorzain to bring the win home for EG.
EG 3-2
Thorzain in bad form? I've missed that. He's been tearing zergs up since his bad performance at HSC4 (and before that). 2nd in SCI4 beating ret, 3rd in mlg europe, 2nd in MSI pro cup beating stephano for example.
Yes he is quite bad compared to the path he was once on. He used to be REALLY good, but now you can't even say he is the best EU Terran.
oh goodness again: Puma probably can take; Morrow has been training in Korea I believe so... IdrA beat Thorzain the last couple of times they played iirc, but that was like 3-4 months ago -.- Incontrol won matches guys yayyyyy~ still Hasu JYP's vP is very very good; however its coinflipping PvP
On February 12 2012 07:19 blade55555 wrote: Morrow Idra Incontrol JYP
My call!
incontrol over hasuobs? ehm... well... i have to lol, i just have to :D will be close, EG might take it, but with EG, you never know.
Were you also loling when iNcontroL beat Thorzain at Homestory? iNcontroL has been playing extreamly solid lately beating some pretty good guys so you should probably not be looling so much at that broski.
The PvPs will decide this match. If Incontrol gets a surprise win over Hasu (who hasn't been looking too great recently) or Mana gets the win over JYP, it could change the outcome. Right now it looks like it'll go to the ace and Mouz tend to do better in ace matches. If EG put Puma in the ace they should have it.
Sets 1 and 2 can go either way. Normally I'd say T-zain would be favored but Idras been in the Slayers house and thorzains recent games have looked bad. Incontrol v Hasu looks one sided on paper but Hasuobs hasn't been practicing much. Predicting mouz win but it'll be close
Lol.. that was so pathetic by Idra.... a game that would really make you re-evaluate your career up to this point.. he's so freaking predictable, robotic.
Why didnt they let InControl play? He is in great form this year, the inverse of Idra's performance in the last, what, 4-5 major events he was broadcast on?
Fucking Idra.. Why the fuck doesn't he play standard ;__; That's what he's good at >_< Instead we get these retarded games showing no skill whatsoever, and the LR threads gets flooded with Idra haters and Idra fanboys...
On February 12 2012 11:47 Sub40APM wrote: Why didnt they let InControl play? He is in great form this year, the inverse of Idra's performance in the last, what, 4-5 major events he was broadcast on?
On February 12 2012 11:46 s4life wrote: Lol.. that was so pathetic by Idra.... a game that would really make you re-evaluate your career up to this point.. he's so freaking predictable, robotic.
Predictable? Robotic? Yeah, those are terms I would use to describe Idra in terms of his macro and going for the macro game. But saying those things when he did an all-in? Not at all.
On February 12 2012 11:13 weiliem wrote: Y is Huk always not playing? is he still a member of EG??
Huk hates latency and refuses to play games on the non-Korea server. Or whatever server matches where he is. So he doesn't play in team leagues like this.
On February 12 2012 11:50 Hulavuta wrote: IdrA has ragequit before in the NASL, I recall he left both games he lost vs MorroW last season, without saying anything.
So I guess he thought it was a good game? I mean what are they gonna do? Disqualify him? He's already lost.
Recently he has been gg'ing in all official tournament matches, so on that he has improved at least I really think he just didn't give much of a shit, since it was team league with server lag
On February 12 2012 11:46 00Visor wrote: fail at allining => gg get allined => no gg
More like gg in all official matches...?
Your notion of what is an official match and what is not looks very selective. He wasn't that quiet (not just talking about not gg-ing) in all his broadcasted matches.
On February 12 2012 11:46 s4life wrote: Lol.. that was so pathetic by Idra.... a game that would really make you re-evaluate your career up to this point.. he's so freaking predictable, robotic.
Predictable? Robotic? Yeah, those are terms I would use to describe Idra in terms of his macro and going for the macro game. But saying those things when he did an all-in? Not at all.
He started the game with the mindset of going allin, when he saw that siege mode was finished he should have turned around and go for a straight game, he would be behind but have a chance, but since he can't adapt(robotic) he still tried to bust the front, he threw the game right there
I can almost never watch NASL, is it like this for anyone else? The stream keeps dying, very choppy all the time, maximum of 5 seconds without hacks. Tried every different setup and only like this on the NASL stream, it's so weird
Idra should probably retire. Not because he's bad (I mean, he's still better than most foreign players) but because it's becoming apparent that he doesn't have the talent to become one of the best, and I think he has too much self-respect to be satisfied with a career as an average pro-gamer, even if he earns good money from his stream.
On February 12 2012 11:46 s4life wrote: Lol.. that was so pathetic by Idra.... a game that would really make you re-evaluate your career up to this point.. he's so freaking predictable, robotic.
Predictable? Robotic? Yeah, those are terms I would use to describe Idra in terms of his macro and going for the macro game. But saying those things when he did an all-in? Not at all.
He started the game with the mindset of going allin, when he saw that siege mode was finished he should have turned around and go for a straight game, he would be behind, but have a chance, but since he can't adapt(robotic) he still tried to bust the front, he threw the game right there
That was an all-in. You can't come back from something like that against a player like Tzain, I think. So good siege timing ;o
On February 12 2012 11:55 Empirimancer wrote: Idra should probably retire. Not because he's bad (I mean, he's still better than most foreign players) but because it's becoming apparent that he doesn't have the talent to become one of the best, and I think he has too much self-respect to be satisfied with a career as an average pro-gamer, even if he earns good money from his stream.
On February 12 2012 11:55 monie wrote: I can almost never watch NASL, is it like this for anyone else? The stream keeps dying, very choppy all the time, maximum of 5 seconds without hacks. Tried every different setup and only like this on the NASL stream, it's so weird
Today is the first day there have been problems and they were very minor for me. Stream was down 5 minutes tops.
On February 12 2012 11:55 Empirimancer wrote: Idra should probably retire. Not because he's bad (I mean, he's still better than most foreign players) but because it's becoming apparent that he doesn't have the talent to become one of the best, and I think he has too much self-respect to be satisfied with a career as an average pro-gamer, even if he earns good money from his stream.
He spent two years as a b-teamer in Korea so i think he is ok with not being one of the best lol
On February 12 2012 11:55 Empirimancer wrote: Idra should probably retire. Not because he's bad (I mean, he's still better than most foreign players) but because it's becoming apparent that he doesn't have the talent to become one of the best, and I think he has too much self-respect to be satisfied with a career as an average pro-gamer, even if he earns good money from his stream.
He spent two years as a b-teamer in Korea so i think he is ok with not being one of the best lol
especially since he is one of the best ==;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
funny. we did see some minutes of the game, the stream is offline, but we pretty much know hasu won it easily. cant believe ppl picked incontrol, different level of play...
On February 12 2012 11:46 s4life wrote: Lol.. that was so pathetic by Idra.... a game that would really make you re-evaluate your career up to this point.. he's so freaking predictable, robotic.
Predictable? Robotic? Yeah, those are terms I would use to describe Idra in terms of his macro and going for the macro game. But saying those things when he did an all-in? Not at all.
He started the game with the mindset of going allin, when he saw that siege mode was finished he should have turned around and go for a straight game, he would be behind, but have a chance, but since he can't adapt(robotic) he still tried to bust the front, he threw the game right there
That was an all-in. You can't come back from something like that against a player like Tzain, I think. So good siege timing ;o
Yes it would be hard, but trying to fight the ramp with siege was the only choice that had 0% of winning.
On February 12 2012 11:55 Empirimancer wrote: Idra should probably retire. Not because he's bad (I mean, he's still better than most foreign players) but because it's becoming apparent that he doesn't have the talent to become one of the best, and I think he has too much self-respect to be satisfied with a career as an average pro-gamer, even if he earns good money from his stream.
He spent two years as a b-teamer in Korea so i think he is ok with not being one of the best lol
especially since he is one of the best ==;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
I think people like to exaggerate about IdrA. He's still having good results, people just notice when something crappy happens to him, lolololoololololololol.
He may not be doing the best, but he's certainly not doing so bad that he needs to retire.
NASL, you guys can't afford to keep messing up on the technical issues. Everyone else seems to be able to get it right. I hadn't watched in several months because of this, but I finally decided to tune in again tonight. And then the stream crashes right in the middle of a battle between HasuObs and Incontrol.
well one more comment on idra : make a pause dude, u are so unmotivated it aint even funny, throwing games like this. what has been amusing for as long as he delivered in the game now turns against him. he is just getting more and more a parody of himself. its ridiculous. who does even take that dude serious anymore....
On February 12 2012 11:55 Empirimancer wrote: Idra should probably retire. Not because he's bad (I mean, he's still better than most foreign players) but because it's becoming apparent that he doesn't have the talent to become one of the best, and I think he has too much self-respect to be satisfied with a career as an average pro-gamer, even if he earns good money from his stream.
He spent two years as a b-teamer in Korea so i think he is ok with not being one of the best lol
especially since he is one of the best ==;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
not really.. and hasnt been for the longest time
Grandmaster in Korea.
If that's not one of the best, especially for a foreigner... you're crazy!
On February 12 2012 11:46 s4life wrote: Lol.. that was so pathetic by Idra.... a game that would really make you re-evaluate your career up to this point.. he's so freaking predictable, robotic.
Predictable? Robotic? Yeah, those are terms I would use to describe Idra in terms of his macro and going for the macro game. But saying those things when he did an all-in? Not at all.
He started the game with the mindset of going allin, when he saw that siege mode was finished he should have turned around and go for a straight game, he would be behind, but have a chance, but since he can't adapt(robotic) he still tried to bust the front, he threw the game right there
That was an all-in. You can't come back from something like that against a player like Tzain, I think. So good siege timing ;o
Yes it would be hard, but trying to fight the ramp with siege was the only choice that had 0% of winning.
The alternative would be to fall back on 33 drones and no Lair to try and play a straight game against a terran macro opening... Idra would not have won that, unless Tzain killed his own CC, walked 20 marines over 2 bling bombs, and left his tanks in the middle of the map to be plucked by mutas, while he had his marines on /dance in heart formation outside his base
Well if NASL really does not want viewers for their shows they are doing a good job of turning me away to one of the other 3 or so events going on right now.
On February 12 2012 11:55 Empirimancer wrote: Idra should probably retire. Not because he's bad (I mean, he's still better than most foreign players) but because it's becoming apparent that he doesn't have the talent to become one of the best, and I think he has too much self-respect to be satisfied with a career as an average pro-gamer, even if he earns good money from his stream.
He spent two years as a b-teamer in Korea so i think he is ok with not being one of the best lol
especially since he is one of the best ==;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
He was yes, it's sad. Last year idra early ggs and weird stuffs were rare, it was funny, now he does this 100% of the time. Every single game from Idra bar GSL I saw in the past few months ended like this. Big hype and bigger disappointment.
And I watch NASL for the first time since a week or two and they're still having problems, while every other stream I'm watching is perfect.
On February 12 2012 11:55 Empirimancer wrote: Idra should probably retire. Not because he's bad (I mean, he's still better than most foreign players) but because it's becoming apparent that he doesn't have the talent to become one of the best, and I think he has too much self-respect to be satisfied with a career as an average pro-gamer, even if he earns good money from his stream.
He spent two years as a b-teamer in Korea so i think he is ok with not being one of the best lol
especially since he is one of the best ==;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
He was yes, it's sad. Last year idra early ggs and weird stuffs were rare, it was funny, now he does this 100% of the time. Every single game from Idra bar GSL I saw in the past few months ended like this. Big hype and bigger disappointment.
he lacks the mentalilty.
if there is a champion's spirit, he's the exact opposite
On February 12 2012 11:46 s4life wrote: Lol.. that was so pathetic by Idra.... a game that would really make you re-evaluate your career up to this point.. he's so freaking predictable, robotic.
Predictable? Robotic? Yeah, those are terms I would use to describe Idra in terms of his macro and going for the macro game. But saying those things when he did an all-in? Not at all.
He started the game with the mindset of going allin, when he saw that siege mode was finished he should have turned around and go for a straight game, he would be behind, but have a chance, but since he can't adapt(robotic) he still tried to bust the front, he threw the game right there
That was an all-in. You can't come back from something like that against a player like Tzain, I think. So good siege timing ;o
Yes it would be hard, but trying to fight the ramp with siege was the only choice that had 0% of winning.
The alternative would be to fall back on 33 drones and no Lair to try and play a straight game against a terran macro opening... Idra would not have won that, unless Tzain killed his own CC, walked 20 marines over 2 bling bombs, and left his tanks in the middle of the map to be plucked by mutas, while he had his marines on /dance in heart formation outside his base
On February 12 2012 12:02 Hulavuta wrote: I think people like to exaggerate about IdrA. He's still having good results, people just notice when something crappy happens to him, lolololoololololololol..
Almost every game I saw of Idra in the last few month ended in a loss for him in less than 10 minutes. He either doesn't care for online/team tournaments at all or he just got really bad.
On February 12 2012 12:05 Kotschmonaut wrote: just remember him 6 pooling ginro in gsl 3 or 4. trololol i used to be a fan but he's goin on my balls slowly but surely
He pretty much had to 6 poool on that map. It was a shitty fucking map, and was heavily Terran favoured iirc
On February 12 2012 12:06 Champloo wrote: Almost every game I saw of Idra in the last few month ended in a loss for him in less than 10 minutes. He either doesn't care for online/team tournaments at all or he just got really bad.
As someone said perfectly above, he's a parody of himself now.
On February 12 2012 12:02 Hulavuta wrote: I think people like to exaggerate about IdrA. He's still having good results, people just notice when something crappy happens to him, lolololoololololololol..
Top 8 in Providence, Top 8 in NASL, and 4th at Orlando are bad results? You seem to think that falling out of Code A = terrible results, when even players like Bomber and HuK fell out...
I can't believe the skill gap between Europeans and America. It's outstanding. EG just can't keep up with euro teams despite them having 0 koreans (almost). It's kind of interesting, one could almost derive that staying in euro makes you go pro as opposed to the whole Korea idea, because seriously, ThorZaiN mopped the floor with IdrA. And Incontrol got shat on as per normilia.
I think IdrA needs to stay in europe for a while, when he gets top1 there then go to korea etc I think this should be the new path
On February 12 2012 12:02 Hulavuta wrote: I think people like to exaggerate about IdrA. He's still having good results, people just notice when something crappy happens to him, lolololoololololololol..
Top 8 in Providence, Top 8 in NASL, and 4th at Orlando are bad results? You seem to think that falling out of Code A = terrible results, when even players like Bomber and HuK fell out...
On February 12 2012 12:13 TankinShit wrote: Long time lurker.
I can't believe the skill gap between Europeans and America. It's outstanding. EG just can't keep up with euro teams despite them having 0 koreans (almost). It's kind of interesting, one could almost derive that staying in euro makes you go pro as opposed to the whole Korea idea, because seriously, ThorZaiN mopped the floor with IdrA. And Incontrol got shat on as per normilia.
The Idra vs Tzain showed no skill what so ever, really. Idra went for an all in, and Tzain blind countered it >_< Disappointing games :/
On February 12 2012 12:02 Hulavuta wrote: I think people like to exaggerate about IdrA. He's still having good results, people just notice when something crappy happens to him, lolololoololololololol..
Top 8 in Providence, Top 8 in NASL, and 4th at Orlando are bad results? You seem to think that falling out of Code A = terrible results, when even players like Bomber and HuK fell out...
He won 1 series during Providence and during NASL final. Yes, he did qualify by winning other ones. But I said lately. Orlando isnt lately either.
Please count all the series he won, then all series he lost since MLG Providence.
On February 12 2012 12:13 TankinShit wrote: Long time lurker.
I can't believe the skill gap between Europeans and America. It's outstanding. EG just can't keep up with euro teams despite them having 0 koreans (almost). It's kind of interesting, one could almost derive that staying in euro makes you go pro as opposed to the whole Korea idea, because seriously, ThorZaiN mopped the floor with IdrA. And Incontrol got shat on as per normilia.
The Idra vs Tzain showed no skill what so ever, really. Idra went for an all in, and Tzain blind countered it >_< Disappointing games :/
so blind countering all in is early triple orbital?
Well, that was solid play by Mousesports overall. I gotta say Maps were more one sided than I expected. Sometimes I feel like EG kinda is like the Anti-Mouz: Good to great individual results but disappointing in Team events.
On February 12 2012 11:46 s4life wrote: Lol.. that was so pathetic by Idra.... a game that would really make you re-evaluate your career up to this point.. he's so freaking predictable, robotic.
Predictable? Robotic? Yeah, those are terms I would use to describe Idra in terms of his macro and going for the macro game. But saying those things when he did an all-in? Not at all.
He started the game with the mindset of going allin, when he saw that siege mode was finished he should have turned around and go for a straight game, he would be behind, but have a chance, but since he can't adapt(robotic) he still tried to bust the front, he threw the game right there
That was an all-in. You can't come back from something like that against a player like Tzain, I think. So good siege timing ;o
Yes it would be hard, but trying to fight the ramp with siege was the only choice that had 0% of winning.
The alternative would be to fall back on 33 drones and no Lair to try and play a straight game against a terran macro opening... Idra would not have won that, unless Tzain killed his own CC, walked 20 marines over 2 bling bombs, and left his tanks in the middle of the map to be plucked by mutas, while he had his marines on /dance in heart formation outside his base
EDIT: Now that would be a sight to see
yah, you have to hope that thorzain has his pants down. older Idra would probably have left without even all-inning, so in terms of progress, its some -.-
its just people shit on him for playing macro all day, and shit he all ins for having bad mindset -.-
On February 12 2012 12:13 TankinShit wrote: Long time lurker.
I can't believe the skill gap between Europeans and America. It's outstanding. EG just can't keep up with euro teams despite them having 0 koreans (almost). It's kind of interesting, one could almost derive that staying in euro makes you go pro as opposed to the whole Korea idea, because seriously, ThorZaiN mopped the floor with IdrA. And Incontrol got shat on as per normilia.
The Idra vs Tzain showed no skill what so ever, really. Idra went for an all in, and Tzain blind countered it >_< Disappointing games :/
so blind countering all in is early triple orbital?
On February 12 2012 12:13 TankinShit wrote: Long time lurker.
I can't believe the skill gap between Europeans and America. It's outstanding. EG just can't keep up with euro teams despite them having 0 koreans (almost). It's kind of interesting, one could almost derive that staying in euro makes you go pro as opposed to the whole Korea idea, because seriously, ThorZaiN mopped the floor with IdrA. And Incontrol got shat on as per normilia.
The Idra vs Tzain showed no skill what so ever, really. Idra went for an all in, and Tzain blind countered it >_< Disappointing games :/
so blind countering all in is early triple orbital?
On February 12 2012 12:13 TankinShit wrote: Long time lurker.
I can't believe the skill gap between Europeans and America. It's outstanding. EG just can't keep up with euro teams despite them having 0 koreans (almost). It's kind of interesting, one could almost derive that staying in euro makes you go pro as opposed to the whole Korea idea, because seriously, ThorZaiN mopped the floor with IdrA. And Incontrol got shat on as per normilia.
The Idra vs Tzain showed no skill what so ever, really. Idra went for an all in, and Tzain blind countered it >_< Disappointing games :/
so blind countering all in is early triple orbital?
Triple orbital for high economy into fast tank for defense is a blind counter, yes. if he had gone medivacs he would have lost.
On February 12 2012 12:13 TankinShit wrote: Long time lurker.
I can't believe the skill gap between Europeans and America. It's outstanding. EG just can't keep up with euro teams despite them having 0 koreans (almost). It's kind of interesting, one could almost derive that staying in euro makes you go pro as opposed to the whole Korea idea, because seriously, ThorZaiN mopped the floor with IdrA. And Incontrol got shat on as per normilia.
The Idra vs Tzain showed no skill what so ever, really. Idra went for an all in, and Tzain blind countered it >_< Disappointing games :/
so blind countering all in is early triple orbital?
Triple orbital for high economy into fast tank for defense is a blind counter, yes. if he had gone medivacs he would have lost.
Maybe there is a reason he didn't go for medivacs... You make it sound like they were playing tic tac toe.
On February 12 2012 12:13 TankinShit wrote: Long time lurker.
I can't believe the skill gap between Europeans and America. It's outstanding. EG just can't keep up with euro teams despite them having 0 koreans (almost). It's kind of interesting, one could almost derive that staying in euro makes you go pro as opposed to the whole Korea idea, because seriously, ThorZaiN mopped the floor with IdrA. And Incontrol got shat on as per normilia.
The Idra vs Tzain showed no skill what so ever, really. Idra went for an all in, and Tzain blind countered it >_< Disappointing games :/
so blind countering all in is early triple orbital?
nono, the very early siege
never mind, dont bother
their all idiots who claim either "idra has bad manner" and then call him "shit" or "terrible, horrible person" (hyprocritical?) or they try to, as in this case, judge player skill by a build order win
So I may be dumb, and please point me to the correct source material if you can, but how does NASL handle the server situation in it's team league? IdrA and Puma are in Korea and both of their opponents were in Europe and that has about the worst lag problem you can conceive of. Do they server swap or both play on NA or what?
On February 12 2012 12:13 TankinShit wrote: Long time lurker.
I can't believe the skill gap between Europeans and America. It's outstanding. EG just can't keep up with euro teams despite them having 0 koreans (almost). It's kind of interesting, one could almost derive that staying in euro makes you go pro as opposed to the whole Korea idea, because seriously, ThorZaiN mopped the floor with IdrA. And Incontrol got shat on as per normilia.
The Idra vs Tzain showed no skill what so ever, really. Idra went for an all in, and Tzain blind countered it >_< Disappointing games :/
so blind countering all in is early triple orbital?
Triple orbital for high economy into fast tank for defense is a blind counter, yes. if he had gone medivacs he would have lost.
Maybe there is a reason he didn't go for medivacs... You make it sound like they were playing tic tac toe.
nope
its that zerg cant scout cross map in time so either you metagame and allin or your counter meta game and make them think your allining but dont all in and then they metametagame you and ETC ETC
On February 12 2012 12:13 TankinShit wrote: Long time lurker.
I can't believe the skill gap between Europeans and America. It's outstanding. EG just can't keep up with euro teams despite them having 0 koreans (almost). It's kind of interesting, one could almost derive that staying in euro makes you go pro as opposed to the whole Korea idea, because seriously, ThorZaiN mopped the floor with IdrA. And Incontrol got shat on as per normilia.
The Idra vs Tzain showed no skill what so ever, really. Idra went for an all in, and Tzain blind countered it >_< Disappointing games :/
so blind countering all in is early triple orbital?
Triple orbital for high economy into fast tank for defense is a blind counter, yes. if he had gone medivacs he would have lost.
Lolwut. Thorzain went triple expand and he held off an all-in that should have theoretically killed him outright. Idra's timings were pretty wrong (as sheth stated he didnt do it correctly), he then A-moved into glory. Thorzain had ONE tank on the cliff, it didnt even occur to idra not to go towards it or bring one overlord.
except that if you go triple orbital,you have to do something defensive,its not like hellons are going to do the trick. his build wasnt blind counter idras allin,its a very well thought macro build.
On February 12 2012 12:24 HolyExlxF wrote: So I may be dumb, and please point me to the correct source material if you can, but how does NASL handle the server situation in it's team league? IdrA and Puma are in Korea and both of their opponents were in Europe and that has about the worst lag problem you can conceive of. Do they server swap or both play on NA or what?
On February 12 2012 12:24 HolyExlxF wrote: So I may be dumb, and please point me to the correct source material if you can, but how does NASL handle the server situation in it's team league? IdrA and Puma are in Korea and both of their opponents were in Europe and that has about the worst lag problem you can conceive of. Do they server swap or both play on NA or what?
They play NA if EU vs KR, EU if EU vs EU, NA if NA vs NA, KR if KR vs KR, and alternate if NA vs KR or EU vs NA
On February 12 2012 12:25 clementdudu wrote: except that if you go triple orbital,you have to do something defensive,its not like hellons are going to do the trick. his build wasnt blind counter idras allin,its a very well thought macro build.
its bombers, i think day9 did a daily on it if you want to check it out
On February 12 2012 12:13 TankinShit wrote: Long time lurker.
I can't believe the skill gap between Europeans and America. It's outstanding. EG just can't keep up with euro teams despite them having 0 koreans (almost). It's kind of interesting, one could almost derive that staying in euro makes you go pro as opposed to the whole Korea idea, because seriously, ThorZaiN mopped the floor with IdrA. And Incontrol got shat on as per normilia.
The Idra vs Tzain showed no skill what so ever, really. Idra went for an all in, and Tzain blind countered it >_< Disappointing games :/
so blind countering all in is early triple orbital?
Triple orbital for high economy into fast tank for defense is a blind counter, yes. if he had gone medivacs he would have lost.
Lolwut. Thorzain went triple expand and he held off an all-in that should have theoretically killed him outright. Idra's timings were pretty wrong (as sheth stated he didnt do it correctly), he then A-moved into glory. Thorzain had ONE tank on the cliff, it didnt even occur to idra not to go towards it or bring one overlord.
On February 12 2012 12:25 clementdudu wrote: except that if you go triple orbital,you have to do something defensive,its not like hellons are going to do the trick. his build wasnt blind counter idras allin,its a very well thought macro build.
That build is incredibly good, yeah :c That early siege was pretty much a hard counter, even though Idra's execution wasn't the best
On February 12 2012 12:24 HolyExlxF wrote: So I may be dumb, and please point me to the correct source material if you can, but how does NASL handle the server situation in it's team league? IdrA and Puma are in Korea and both of their opponents were in Europe and that has about the worst lag problem you can conceive of. Do they server swap or both play on NA or what?
On February 12 2012 12:24 HolyExlxF wrote: So I may be dumb, and please point me to the correct source material if you can, but how does NASL handle the server situation in it's team league? IdrA and Puma are in Korea and both of their opponents were in Europe and that has about the worst lag problem you can conceive of. Do they server swap or both play on NA or what?
On February 12 2012 11:46 s4life wrote: Lol.. that was so pathetic by Idra.... a game that would really make you re-evaluate your career up to this point.. he's so freaking predictable, robotic.
Predictable? Robotic? Yeah, those are terms I would use to describe Idra in terms of his macro and going for the macro game. But saying those things when he did an all-in? Not at all.
He started the game with the mindset of going allin, when he saw that siege mode was finished he should have turned around and go for a straight game, he would be behind, but have a chance, but since he can't adapt(robotic) he still tried to bust the front, he threw the game right there
That was an all-in. You can't come back from something like that against a player like Tzain, I think. So good siege timing ;o
Yes it would be hard, but trying to fight the ramp with siege was the only choice that had 0% of winning.
The alternative would be to fall back on 33 drones and no Lair to try and play a straight game against a terran macro opening... Idra would not have won that, unless Tzain killed his own CC, walked 20 marines over 2 bling bombs, and left his tanks in the middle of the map to be plucked by mutas, while he had his marines on /dance in heart formation outside his base
EDIT: Now that would be a sight to see
yah, you have to hope that thorzain has his pants down. older Idra would probably have left without even all-inning, so in terms of progress, its some -.-
its just people shit on him for playing macro all day, and shit he all ins for having bad mindset -.-
Come on >< People don't care he allins, people care that they want to see him play the freaking game, and not just seeing a tank and still amoving his army to oblivion. 100% of the other zerg players would have continued to play that game. They would have microed, stationed their roaches behind the mineral line out of range of the tanks, delayed some mining while droning, well at least tried something. The tank opening has no marine and no medivac, he was behind but not so behind that a superior skill can't overcome the deficit.
On February 12 2012 12:13 TankinShit wrote: Long time lurker.
I can't believe the skill gap between Europeans and America. It's outstanding. EG just can't keep up with euro teams despite them having 0 koreans (almost). It's kind of interesting, one could almost derive that staying in euro makes you go pro as opposed to the whole Korea idea, because seriously, ThorZaiN mopped the floor with IdrA. And Incontrol got shat on as per normilia.
The Idra vs Tzain showed no skill what so ever, really. Idra went for an all in, and Tzain blind countered it >_< Disappointing games :/
so blind countering all in is early triple orbital?
Triple orbital for high economy into fast tank for defense is a blind counter, yes. if he had gone medivacs he would have lost.
Lolwut. Thorzain went triple expand and he held off an all-in that should have theoretically killed him outright. Idra's timings were pretty wrong (as sheth stated he didnt do it correctly), he then A-moved into glory. Thorzain had ONE tank on the cliff, it didnt even occur to idra not to go towards it or bring one overlord.
Outplayed is the word we are looking for.
outplayed = build order when, then
nop, could have been build order LOSS for thorzain, and I bet the Idra fan boys would have done two things;
1. ignore the fact Idra all-in'd , whereas if idra got all-in'd they'd say (HE JUST GOT ALL-IN'D WASN'T EVEN A GAME ONEONEON@#!@# 2. would say thorzain played too greedy
thorzain outright OWNED idra, incontrol got SHAT on
On February 12 2012 11:46 s4life wrote: Lol.. that was so pathetic by Idra.... a game that would really make you re-evaluate your career up to this point.. he's so freaking predictable, robotic.
Predictable? Robotic? Yeah, those are terms I would use to describe Idra in terms of his macro and going for the macro game. But saying those things when he did an all-in? Not at all.
He started the game with the mindset of going allin, when he saw that siege mode was finished he should have turned around and go for a straight game, he would be behind, but have a chance, but since he can't adapt(robotic) he still tried to bust the front, he threw the game right there
That was an all-in. You can't come back from something like that against a player like Tzain, I think. So good siege timing ;o
Yes it would be hard, but trying to fight the ramp with siege was the only choice that had 0% of winning.
The alternative would be to fall back on 33 drones and no Lair to try and play a straight game against a terran macro opening... Idra would not have won that, unless Tzain killed his own CC, walked 20 marines over 2 bling bombs, and left his tanks in the middle of the map to be plucked by mutas, while he had his marines on /dance in heart formation outside his base
EDIT: Now that would be a sight to see
yah, you have to hope that thorzain has his pants down. older Idra would probably have left without even all-inning, so in terms of progress, its some -.-
its just people shit on him for playing macro all day, and shit he all ins for having bad mindset -.-
Come on >< People don't care he allins, people care that they want to see him play the freaking game, and not just seeing a tank and still amoving his army to oblivion. 100% of the other zerg players would have continued to play that game. They would have microed, stationed their roaches behind the mineral line out of range of the tanks, delayed some mining while droning, well at least tried something. The tank opening has no marine and no medivac, he was behind but not so behind that a superior skill can't overcome the deficit.
Even if he did do that, Tzain was ahead on tech, and waaaay ahead on economy. As I previously said, he would fall back on 33 drones and no Lair against triple orbital... A comeback like that would be close to impossible against a player like Tzain, I think
On February 12 2012 11:46 s4life wrote: Lol.. that was so pathetic by Idra.... a game that would really make you re-evaluate your career up to this point.. he's so freaking predictable, robotic.
Predictable? Robotic? Yeah, those are terms I would use to describe Idra in terms of his macro and going for the macro game. But saying those things when he did an all-in? Not at all.
He started the game with the mindset of going allin, when he saw that siege mode was finished he should have turned around and go for a straight game, he would be behind, but have a chance, but since he can't adapt(robotic) he still tried to bust the front, he threw the game right there
That was an all-in. You can't come back from something like that against a player like Tzain, I think. So good siege timing ;o
Yes it would be hard, but trying to fight the ramp with siege was the only choice that had 0% of winning.
The alternative would be to fall back on 33 drones and no Lair to try and play a straight game against a terran macro opening... Idra would not have won that, unless Tzain killed his own CC, walked 20 marines over 2 bling bombs, and left his tanks in the middle of the map to be plucked by mutas, while he had his marines on /dance in heart formation outside his base
EDIT: Now that would be a sight to see
yah, you have to hope that thorzain has his pants down. older Idra would probably have left without even all-inning, so in terms of progress, its some -.-
its just people shit on him for playing macro all day, and shit he all ins for having bad mindset -.-
Come on >< People don't care he allins, people care that they want to see him play the freaking game, and not just seeing a tank and still amoving his army to oblivion. 100% of the other zerg players would have continued to play that game. They would have microed, stationed their roaches behind the mineral line out of range of the tanks, delayed some mining while droning, well at least tried something. The tank opening has no marine and no medivac, he was behind but not so behind that a superior skill can't overcome the deficit.
Even if he did do that, Tzain was ahead on tech, and waaaay ahead on economy. As I previously said, he would fall back on 33 drones and no Lair against triple orbital... A comeback like that would be close to impossible against a player like Tzain, I think
On February 12 2012 12:13 TankinShit wrote: Long time lurker.
I can't believe the skill gap between Europeans and America. It's outstanding. EG just can't keep up with euro teams despite them having 0 koreans (almost). It's kind of interesting, one could almost derive that staying in euro makes you go pro as opposed to the whole Korea idea, because seriously, ThorZaiN mopped the floor with IdrA. And Incontrol got shat on as per normilia.
The Idra vs Tzain showed no skill what so ever, really. Idra went for an all in, and Tzain blind countered it >_< Disappointing games :/
so blind countering all in is early triple orbital?
Triple orbital for high economy into fast tank for defense is a blind counter, yes. if he had gone medivacs he would have lost.
Lolwut. Thorzain went triple expand and he held off an all-in that should have theoretically killed him outright. Idra's timings were pretty wrong (as sheth stated he didnt do it correctly), he then A-moved into glory. Thorzain had ONE tank on the cliff, it didnt even occur to idra not to go towards it or bring one overlord.
Outplayed is the word we are looking for.
outplayed = build order when, then
You can outplay someone and it can still be a build order win. One does not exclude the other. You have to actually watch and judge each game by the merits. If idra executed his build poorly and thorzain his with crisp precision, I have no problem with anyone saying he got outplayed (I'm not saying that was neccesarily the case)
On February 12 2012 12:13 TankinShit wrote: Long time lurker.
I can't believe the skill gap between Europeans and America. It's outstanding. EG just can't keep up with euro teams despite them having 0 koreans (almost). It's kind of interesting, one could almost derive that staying in euro makes you go pro as opposed to the whole Korea idea, because seriously, ThorZaiN mopped the floor with IdrA. And Incontrol got shat on as per normilia.
The Idra vs Tzain showed no skill what so ever, really. Idra went for an all in, and Tzain blind countered it >_< Disappointing games :/
so blind countering all in is early triple orbital?
Triple orbital for high economy into fast tank for defense is a blind counter, yes. if he had gone medivacs he would have lost.
Lolwut. Thorzain went triple expand and he held off an all-in that should have theoretically killed him outright. Idra's timings were pretty wrong (as sheth stated he didnt do it correctly), he then A-moved into glory. Thorzain had ONE tank on the cliff, it didnt even occur to idra not to go towards it or bring one overlord.
Outplayed is the word we are looking for.
outplayed = build order when, then
nop, could have been build order LOSS for thorzain, and I bet the Idra fan boys would have done two things;
1. ignore the fact Idra all-in'd , whereas if idra got all-in'd they'd say (HE JUST GOT ALL-IN'D WASN'T EVEN A GAME ONEONEON@#!@# 2. would say thorzain played too greedy
thorzain outright OWNED idra, incontrol got SHAT on
Seems like EG has been extremely terrible as of late. After all the money being spent on these players there certainly haven't been any results to back it up. Once the pro circuit starts back up it'll be interesting to see if all of the talk they do ever really amounts to anything.
On February 12 2012 12:13 TankinShit wrote: Long time lurker.
I can't believe the skill gap between Europeans and America. It's outstanding. EG just can't keep up with euro teams despite them having 0 koreans (almost). It's kind of interesting, one could almost derive that staying in euro makes you go pro as opposed to the whole Korea idea, because seriously, ThorZaiN mopped the floor with IdrA. And Incontrol got shat on as per normilia.
The Idra vs Tzain showed no skill what so ever, really. Idra went for an all in, and Tzain blind countered it >_< Disappointing games :/
so blind countering all in is early triple orbital?
Triple orbital for high economy into fast tank for defense is a blind counter, yes. if he had gone medivacs he would have lost.
Lolwut. Thorzain went triple expand and he held off an all-in that should have theoretically killed him outright. Idra's timings were pretty wrong (as sheth stated he didnt do it correctly), he then A-moved into glory. Thorzain had ONE tank on the cliff, it didnt even occur to idra not to go towards it or bring one overlord.
Outplayed is the word we are looking for.
outplayed = build order when, then
You can outplay someone and it can still be a build order win. One does not exclude the other. You have to actually watch and judge each game by the merits. If idra executed his build poorly and thorzain his with crisp precision, I have no problem with anyone saying he got outplayed (I'm not saying that was neccesarily the case)
On February 12 2012 11:46 s4life wrote: Lol.. that was so pathetic by Idra.... a game that would really make you re-evaluate your career up to this point.. he's so freaking predictable, robotic.
Predictable? Robotic? Yeah, those are terms I would use to describe Idra in terms of his macro and going for the macro game. But saying those things when he did an all-in? Not at all.
He started the game with the mindset of going allin, when he saw that siege mode was finished he should have turned around and go for a straight game, he would be behind, but have a chance, but since he can't adapt(robotic) he still tried to bust the front, he threw the game right there
That was an all-in. You can't come back from something like that against a player like Tzain, I think. So good siege timing ;o
Yes it would be hard, but trying to fight the ramp with siege was the only choice that had 0% of winning.
The alternative would be to fall back on 33 drones and no Lair to try and play a straight game against a terran macro opening... Idra would not have won that, unless Tzain killed his own CC, walked 20 marines over 2 bling bombs, and left his tanks in the middle of the map to be plucked by mutas, while he had his marines on /dance in heart formation outside his base
EDIT: Now that would be a sight to see
yah, you have to hope that thorzain has his pants down. older Idra would probably have left without even all-inning, so in terms of progress, its some -.-
its just people shit on him for playing macro all day, and shit he all ins for having bad mindset -.-
Come on >< People don't care he allins, people care that they want to see him play the freaking game, and not just seeing a tank and still amoving his army to oblivion. 100% of the other zerg players would have continued to play that game. They would have microed, stationed their roaches behind the mineral line out of range of the tanks, delayed some mining while droning, well at least tried something. The tank opening has no marine and no medivac, he was behind but not so behind that a superior skill can't overcome the deficit.
Even if he did do that, Tzain was ahead on tech, and waaaay ahead on economy. As I previously said, he would fall back on 33 drones and no Lair against triple orbital... A comeback like that would be close to impossible against a player like Tzain, I think
But he can take a 3rd as Thor will not have map presence for a lot of minutes, he can drone freely and be at 70 drones in like what, 3 minutes, and he already has an army to defend immediate hellion harass. He has a bane nest, a roach warren, he's behind yes, but you can't rationalize leaving the game when you're behind as a normal thing. Idra has certainly the skill to win from such a situation.
On February 12 2012 12:13 TankinShit wrote: Long time lurker.
I can't believe the skill gap between Europeans and America. It's outstanding. EG just can't keep up with euro teams despite them having 0 koreans (almost). It's kind of interesting, one could almost derive that staying in euro makes you go pro as opposed to the whole Korea idea, because seriously, ThorZaiN mopped the floor with IdrA. And Incontrol got shat on as per normilia.
The Idra vs Tzain showed no skill what so ever, really. Idra went for an all in, and Tzain blind countered it >_< Disappointing games :/
so blind countering all in is early triple orbital?
Triple orbital for high economy into fast tank for defense is a blind counter, yes. if he had gone medivacs he would have lost.
Lolwut. Thorzain went triple expand and he held off an all-in that should have theoretically killed him outright. Idra's timings were pretty wrong (as sheth stated he didnt do it correctly), he then A-moved into glory. Thorzain had ONE tank on the cliff, it didnt even occur to idra not to go towards it or bring one overlord.
Outplayed is the word we are looking for.
outplayed = build order when, then
nop, could have been build order LOSS for thorzain, and I bet the Idra fan boys would have done two things;
1. ignore the fact Idra all-in'd , whereas if idra got all-in'd they'd say (HE JUST GOT ALL-IN'D WASN'T EVEN A GAME ONEONEON@#!@# 2. would say thorzain played too greedy
thorzain outright OWNED idra, incontrol got SHAT on
On February 12 2012 12:13 TankinShit wrote: Long time lurker.
I can't believe the skill gap between Europeans and America. It's outstanding. EG just can't keep up with euro teams despite them having 0 koreans (almost). It's kind of interesting, one could almost derive that staying in euro makes you go pro as opposed to the whole Korea idea, because seriously, ThorZaiN mopped the floor with IdrA. And Incontrol got shat on as per normilia.
The Idra vs Tzain showed no skill what so ever, really. Idra went for an all in, and Tzain blind countered it >_< Disappointing games :/
so blind countering all in is early triple orbital?
Triple orbital for high economy into fast tank for defense is a blind counter, yes. if he had gone medivacs he would have lost.
Lolwut. Thorzain went triple expand and he held off an all-in that should have theoretically killed him outright. Idra's timings were pretty wrong (as sheth stated he didnt do it correctly), he then A-moved into glory. Thorzain had ONE tank on the cliff, it didnt even occur to idra not to go towards it or bring one overlord.
Outplayed is the word we are looking for.
outplayed = build order when, then
nop, could have been build order LOSS for thorzain, and I bet the Idra fan boys would have done two things;
1. ignore the fact Idra all-in'd , whereas if idra got all-in'd they'd say (HE JUST GOT ALL-IN'D WASN'T EVEN A GAME ONEONEON@#!@# 2. would say thorzain played too greedy
thorzain outright OWNED idra, incontrol got SHAT on
I stand by my words
and by your words your an imbecile
*you're
if you are going to insult someone poking at their intellectual capacity - atleast try to make yourself seem smart in some manner or the other.
On February 12 2012 12:41 Rybaia wrote: Idra executed that all in pretty poorly for a guy that is known for his great mechanics. Very disappointed by EG.
I doubt he gave much of a crap about this, really :/ Which is really annoying, cus Idra vs Tzain could have been quite the match if it went to the macro game
On February 12 2012 11:46 s4life wrote: Lol.. that was so pathetic by Idra.... a game that would really make you re-evaluate your career up to this point.. he's so freaking predictable, robotic.
Predictable? Robotic? Yeah, those are terms I would use to describe Idra in terms of his macro and going for the macro game. But saying those things when he did an all-in? Not at all.
He started the game with the mindset of going allin, when he saw that siege mode was finished he should have turned around and go for a straight game, he would be behind, but have a chance, but since he can't adapt(robotic) he still tried to bust the front, he threw the game right there
That was an all-in. You can't come back from something like that against a player like Tzain, I think. So good siege timing ;o
Yes it would be hard, but trying to fight the ramp with siege was the only choice that had 0% of winning.
The alternative would be to fall back on 33 drones and no Lair to try and play a straight game against a terran macro opening... Idra would not have won that, unless Tzain killed his own CC, walked 20 marines over 2 bling bombs, and left his tanks in the middle of the map to be plucked by mutas, while he had his marines on /dance in heart formation outside his base
EDIT: Now that would be a sight to see
yah, you have to hope that thorzain has his pants down. older Idra would probably have left without even all-inning, so in terms of progress, its some -.-
its just people shit on him for playing macro all day, and shit he all ins for having bad mindset -.-
Come on >< People don't care he allins, people care that they want to see him play the freaking game, and not just seeing a tank and still amoving his army to oblivion. 100% of the other zerg players would have continued to play that game. They would have microed, stationed their roaches behind the mineral line out of range of the tanks, delayed some mining while droning, well at least tried something. The tank opening has no marine and no medivac, he was behind but not so behind that a superior skill can't overcome the deficit.
Even if he did do that, Tzain was ahead on tech, and waaaay ahead on economy. As I previously said, he would fall back on 33 drones and no Lair against triple orbital... A comeback like that would be close to impossible against a player like Tzain, I think
Comebacks never happen if you never try, yeah.
DeMusliM got 2 bunkers with 2 reapers in viOLet's natural in the last game. The problem is that he forgot to wall-in (forgot to build the last depot), so the hopeless ling counter by viOLet actually won the game. Next day he beats Ret and SuperNoVa to win the tournament.
On February 12 2012 11:46 s4life wrote: Lol.. that was so pathetic by Idra.... a game that would really make you re-evaluate your career up to this point.. he's so freaking predictable, robotic.
Predictable? Robotic? Yeah, those are terms I would use to describe Idra in terms of his macro and going for the macro game. But saying those things when he did an all-in? Not at all.
He started the game with the mindset of going allin, when he saw that siege mode was finished he should have turned around and go for a straight game, he would be behind, but have a chance, but since he can't adapt(robotic) he still tried to bust the front, he threw the game right there
That was an all-in. You can't come back from something like that against a player like Tzain, I think. So good siege timing ;o
Yes it would be hard, but trying to fight the ramp with siege was the only choice that had 0% of winning.
The alternative would be to fall back on 33 drones and no Lair to try and play a straight game against a terran macro opening... Idra would not have won that, unless Tzain killed his own CC, walked 20 marines over 2 bling bombs, and left his tanks in the middle of the map to be plucked by mutas, while he had his marines on /dance in heart formation outside his base
EDIT: Now that would be a sight to see
yah, you have to hope that thorzain has his pants down. older Idra would probably have left without even all-inning, so in terms of progress, its some -.-
its just people shit on him for playing macro all day, and shit he all ins for having bad mindset -.-
Come on >< People don't care he allins, people care that they want to see him play the freaking game, and not just seeing a tank and still amoving his army to oblivion. 100% of the other zerg players would have continued to play that game. They would have microed, stationed their roaches behind the mineral line out of range of the tanks, delayed some mining while droning, well at least tried something. The tank opening has no marine and no medivac, he was behind but not so behind that a superior skill can't overcome the deficit.
Even if he did do that, Tzain was ahead on tech, and waaaay ahead on economy. As I previously said, he would fall back on 33 drones and no Lair against triple orbital... A comeback like that would be close to impossible against a player like Tzain, I think
But he can take a 3rd as Thor will not have map presence for a lot of minutes, he can drone freely and be at 70 drones in like what, 3 minutes, and he already has an army to defend immediate hellion harass. He has a bane nest, a roach warren, he's behind yes, but you can't rationalize leaving the game when you're behind as a normal thing. Idra has certainly the skill to win from such a situation.
Well put. It's the basic mentality of the game. Sometimes you got to stick it through the tough times to appear victorious at the other end of the tunnel. Idra just quits halfway when the lights go out. You gotta keep fighting and keep going. Only with that drive can you achieve excellence.
On February 12 2012 12:13 TankinShit wrote: Long time lurker.
I can't believe the skill gap between Europeans and America. It's outstanding. EG just can't keep up with euro teams despite them having 0 koreans (almost). It's kind of interesting, one could almost derive that staying in euro makes you go pro as opposed to the whole Korea idea, because seriously, ThorZaiN mopped the floor with IdrA. And Incontrol got shat on as per normilia.
The Idra vs Tzain showed no skill what so ever, really. Idra went for an all in, and Tzain blind countered it >_< Disappointing games :/
so blind countering all in is early triple orbital?
Triple orbital for high economy into fast tank for defense is a blind counter, yes. if he had gone medivacs he would have lost.
Lolwut. Thorzain went triple expand and he held off an all-in that should have theoretically killed him outright. Idra's timings were pretty wrong (as sheth stated he didnt do it correctly), he then A-moved into glory. Thorzain had ONE tank on the cliff, it didnt even occur to idra not to go towards it or bring one overlord.
Outplayed is the word we are looking for.
outplayed = build order when, then
nop, could have been build order LOSS for thorzain, and I bet the Idra fan boys would have done two things;
1. ignore the fact Idra all-in'd , whereas if idra got all-in'd they'd say (HE JUST GOT ALL-IN'D WASN'T EVEN A GAME ONEONEON@#!@# 2. would say thorzain played too greedy
thorzain outright OWNED idra, incontrol got SHAT on
the fact that you correct spelling on the internet shows that you cant come up with any arguments to win an argument
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On February 12 2012 12:13 TankinShit wrote: Long time lurker.
I can't believe the skill gap between Europeans and America. It's outstanding. EG just can't keep up with euro teams despite them having 0 koreans (almost). It's kind of interesting, one could almost derive that staying in euro makes you go pro as opposed to the whole Korea idea, because seriously, ThorZaiN mopped the floor with IdrA. And Incontrol got shat on as per normilia.
The Idra vs Tzain showed no skill what so ever, really. Idra went for an all in, and Tzain blind countered it >_< Disappointing games :/
so blind countering all in is early triple orbital?
Triple orbital for high economy into fast tank for defense is a blind counter, yes. if he had gone medivacs he would have lost.
Lolwut. Thorzain went triple expand and he held off an all-in that should have theoretically killed him outright. Idra's timings were pretty wrong (as sheth stated he didnt do it correctly), he then A-moved into glory. Thorzain had ONE tank on the cliff, it didnt even occur to idra not to go towards it or bring one overlord.
Outplayed is the word we are looking for.
outplayed = build order when, then
nop, could have been build order LOSS for thorzain, and I bet the Idra fan boys would have done two things;
1. ignore the fact Idra all-in'd , whereas if idra got all-in'd they'd say (HE JUST GOT ALL-IN'D WASN'T EVEN A GAME ONEONEON@#!@# 2. would say thorzain played too greedy
thorzain outright OWNED idra, incontrol got SHAT on
I stand by my words
and by your words your an imbecile
well, its kind of unfair to judge incontrol on his performance against mouz. ofc hes not rdy for that yet, maybe he never will be. IdrA's fanboys on the other hand just ignore everything bad idra does. a real fan would stand for their player even if they have bad showings, they wouldnt completly denie them. theres a difference between being a fan and being ignorant and dumb.
I'm a demuslim fanboy, and if he loses, whatever! i know he isnt the greastest player yet, some ppl see him as overrated even, may it be so. im sure he has the potential to do great things, that he probably has some issues other players dont have, but i dont care. That doesnt make me say that he showed a stunning performance at IEM but got unlucky, i say he played decent, couldve done better and with little mistakes being dealt with, he couldve made top 3 or even the finals.
On February 12 2012 12:13 TankinShit wrote: Long time lurker.
I can't believe the skill gap between Europeans and America. It's outstanding. EG just can't keep up with euro teams despite them having 0 koreans (almost). It's kind of interesting, one could almost derive that staying in euro makes you go pro as opposed to the whole Korea idea, because seriously, ThorZaiN mopped the floor with IdrA. And Incontrol got shat on as per normilia.
The Idra vs Tzain showed no skill what so ever, really. Idra went for an all in, and Tzain blind countered it >_< Disappointing games :/
so blind countering all in is early triple orbital?
Triple orbital for high economy into fast tank for defense is a blind counter, yes. if he had gone medivacs he would have lost.
Lolwut. Thorzain went triple expand and he held off an all-in that should have theoretically killed him outright. Idra's timings were pretty wrong (as sheth stated he didnt do it correctly), he then A-moved into glory. Thorzain had ONE tank on the cliff, it didnt even occur to idra not to go towards it or bring one overlord.
Outplayed is the word we are looking for.
outplayed = build order when, then
nop, could have been build order LOSS for thorzain, and I bet the Idra fan boys would have done two things;
1. ignore the fact Idra all-in'd , whereas if idra got all-in'd they'd say (HE JUST GOT ALL-IN'D WASN'T EVEN A GAME ONEONEON@#!@# 2. would say thorzain played too greedy
thorzain outright OWNED idra, incontrol got SHAT on
I stand by my words
and by your words your an imbecile
well, its kind of unfair to judge incontrol on his performance against mouz. ofc hes not rdy for that yet, maybe he never will be. IdrA's fanboys on the other hand just ignore everything bad idra does. a real fan would stand for their player even if they have bad showings, they wouldnt completly denie them. theres a difference between being a fan and being ignorant and dumb.
I'm a demuslim fanboy, and if he loses, whatever! i know he isnt the greastest player yet, some ppl see him as overrated even, may it be so. im sure he has the potential to do great things, that he probably has some issues other players dont have, but i dont care. That doesnt make me say that he showed a stunning performance at IEM but got unlucky, i say he played decent, couldve done better and with little mistakes being dealt with, he couldve made top 3 or even the finals.
idra sucked that game ya, doesnt mean thor outplayed him. your saying that you realized demu played bad in macro gaems vs violet
im saying that people insinuating that idra is horrible and thorzain is multiple times better in a game where idra got a bo loss and was miles behind a game where idra (arguably could have staged a comeback) was outplayed
On February 12 2012 12:13 TankinShit wrote: Long time lurker.
I can't believe the skill gap between Europeans and America. It's outstanding. EG just can't keep up with euro teams despite them having 0 koreans (almost). It's kind of interesting, one could almost derive that staying in euro makes you go pro as opposed to the whole Korea idea, because seriously, ThorZaiN mopped the floor with IdrA. And Incontrol got shat on as per normilia.
The Idra vs Tzain showed no skill what so ever, really. Idra went for an all in, and Tzain blind countered it >_< Disappointing games :/
so blind countering all in is early triple orbital?
Triple orbital for high economy into fast tank for defense is a blind counter, yes. if he had gone medivacs he would have lost.
Lolwut. Thorzain went triple expand and he held off an all-in that should have theoretically killed him outright. Idra's timings were pretty wrong (as sheth stated he didnt do it correctly), he then A-moved into glory. Thorzain had ONE tank on the cliff, it didnt even occur to idra not to go towards it or bring one overlord.
Outplayed is the word we are looking for.
outplayed = build order when, then
nop, could have been build order LOSS for thorzain, and I bet the Idra fan boys would have done two things;
1. ignore the fact Idra all-in'd , whereas if idra got all-in'd they'd say (HE JUST GOT ALL-IN'D WASN'T EVEN A GAME ONEONEON@#!@# 2. would say thorzain played too greedy
thorzain outright OWNED idra, incontrol got SHAT on
I stand by my words
and by your words your an imbecile
well, its kind of unfair to judge incontrol on his performance against mouz. ofc hes not rdy for that yet, maybe he never will be. IdrA's fanboys on the other hand just ignore everything bad idra does. a real fan would stand for their player even if they have bad showings, they wouldnt completly denie them. theres a difference between being a fan and being ignorant and dumb.
I'm a demuslim fanboy, and if he loses, whatever! i know he isnt the greastest player yet, some ppl see him as overrated even, may it be so. im sure he has the potential to do great things, that he probably has some issues other players dont have, but i dont care. That doesnt make me say that he showed a stunning performance at IEM but got unlucky, i say he played decent, couldve done better and with little mistakes being dealt with, he couldve made top 3 or even the finals.
idra sucked that game ya, doesnt mean thor outplayed him. your saying that you realized demu played bad in macro gaems vs violet
im saying that people insinuating that idra is horrible and thorzain is multiple times better in a game where idra got a bo loss and was miles behind a game where idra (arguably could have staged a comeback) was outplayed
big difference
Which build order exactly would it have matched up well with then? It's not like he got proxy 2raxed while waiting for his roaches, there was one tank out.
Seriously, why does EG get so much attention? I just don't get it. I see a lot of their members in all kinds of "shows" where they are strongly opinionated, critique other teams/players and make predictions for upcoming events. This is just so dumb when they never seem to deliever in major events. I perceive team EG as an organization centered around having "profiles" who, in my opinion, get a lot of undeserved attention.
On February 12 2012 13:17 sansvoix wrote: Seriously, why does EG get so much attention? I just don't get it. I see a lot of their members in all kinds of "shows" where they are strongly opinionated, critique other teams/players and make predictions for upcoming events. This is just so dumb when they never seem to deliever in major events. I perceive team EG as an organization centered around having "profiles" who, in my opinion, get a lot of undeserved attention.
On February 12 2012 13:17 sansvoix wrote: Seriously, why does EG get so much attention? I just don't get it. I see a lot of their members in all kinds of "shows" where they are strongly opinionated, critique other teams/players and make predictions for upcoming events. This is just so dumb when they never seem to deliever in major events. I perceive team EG as an organization centered around having "profiles" who, in my opinion, get a lot of undeserved attention.
Controversy creates cash, and EG is good at creating cash. In Idra's case tho, I think he's starting to be a burden for his team. Oh, I'm sure he's still an asset to have for a team, financially speaking, but sportively, how can your teammates support you after all those "appearances" in team matches ? At first, EG communicated a lot on "We're working on his mindset, he's improving". Now it's obvious that not only it didn't worked, but it's even worse than before. It seems he plays the game with the enthusiasm of construction worker in winter. Saying the game is trash, imba, terrible...ffs he's in the Slayers house, this is giving jam to a pig ><
I wonder how the business side of all that is going. Because EG can't really "fire" him (I'm not saying that they want to fire him), he's too much the face of the team. I wonder if Idra knows that and abuse it, and that's why he does the strict minimum to justify his salary. Last year, Idra was still a good candidate to represent a product in an ad for instance, now, which company would want him to promote his products ? "Hi, I'm Idra. With the Kingston HyperZ Ram, I can gg 17% faster".
On February 12 2012 13:57 HolyExlxF wrote: I really don't think anyone posting in this thread has the knowledge or right to "call out" a member of any team. Get your heads out of your asses.
Say they're doing poorly in the last few matches. Do not say they aren't trying.
Very true. Just hard to defend them when they don't seem to show any fighting spirit.
I don't know which is worst. The IdrA fanboys who rabidly attack anyone criticizing him even if it's a legitimate argument. Or the IdrA haters who purposefully baited the fanboys into a reaction.
Yep see, here's my problem with EG; they make fun of people, say they're shit etc etc, even on stuff like SOTG, like incontrol wtf? why he even comments on anyone else's play is beyond me.
I feel EG should look at this as an opportunity to stop buying members and train the ones they have (bar IdrA, who's one of the worse players atm)
addtional lol: Idra always calls euro players trash, I guess he got a little trashed tonight (YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH)
On February 12 2012 13:17 sansvoix wrote: Seriously, why does EG get so much attention? I just don't get it. I see a lot of their members in all kinds of "shows" where they are strongly opinionated, critique other teams/players and make predictions for upcoming events. This is just so dumb when they never seem to deliever in major events. I perceive team EG as an organization centered around having "profiles" who, in my opinion, get a lot of undeserved attention.
Controversy creates cash, and EG is good at creating cash. In Idra's case tho, I think he's starting to be a burden for his team. Oh, I'm sure he's still an asset to have for a team, financially speaking, but sportively, how can your teammates support you after all those "appearances" in team matches ? At first, EG communicated a lot on "We're working on his mindset, he's improving". Now it's obvious that not only it didn't worked, but it's even worse than before. It seems he plays the game with the enthusiasm of construction worker in winter. Saying the game is trash, imba, terrible...ffs he's in the Slayers house, this is giving jam to a pig ><
I wonder how the business side of all that is going. Because EG can't really "fire" him (I'm not saying that they want to fire him), he's too much the face of the team. I wonder if Idra knows that and abuse it, and that's why he does the strict minimum to justify his salary. Last year, Idra was still a good candidate to represent a product in an ad for instance, now, which company would want him to promote his products ? "Hi, I'm Idra. With the Kingston HyperZ Ram, I can gg 17% faster".
Idra fan club has more views and posts than anyone else on these forums. when he streams at a reasonable NA/Europe hour he gets 10k viewers easy. The guy went from being 'the only hope' of non-Korean zergs to 'the greatest marketing vehicle' in the SC scene. And the people who pay EG to use their gear wont care about his performance as long as the performance is relatively solid. Michelle Wie still stars in commercials and its been almost 10 years since she tried -- and failed -- to compete with men at golf. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelle_Wie
On February 12 2012 12:35 Fragmaaad wrote: Can someone please tell me why EG would pick incontrol over HuK? In fact, they never ever pick HuK for clan wars.. Is he not available or something?
HuK hates playing with any lag, so unless it would be KR server he would not play. I believe this is why he has mot been playing in clan wars much, if at all. I don't remember him playing in one for Liquid either.
GJ Mouz! And about EG, even though i dislike the whole team, i think that these few bad performances doesnt make them all that bad. Every player has his slumps, teams are the same. Performing bad at NASTL doesnt suddenly make them bad, also wininng one league or tournament doesnt suddenly make them number one. People make too much of a deal from a realtive low number of games. All in all EG is very solid and stacked team, not the best and not the worst as always.
Whats important to note, is that EG doesnt have team spirit as mouz or empire. I mean can You imagine Thorzain or Kas refusing to help his team because of latency? I cant. And its obvious that EG was on the ropes (0-3) before this match and needed any help they could get. Did arguably one their best players help them? Nope. They either lack the team spirit, or dont care that match about NASTL.
PS. I am assuming its true what people say all over these team leagues threads--->that Huk doesnt play in them because he doesnt want too, i dont know if its a fact, but it sounds plausible.
I wonder why JYP was played last..not that it would make a difference anyway. But I can only imagine he's EG's strongest chance of guaranteeing all four games would be played.
Disappointed with the IdrA/TZ match, expected much better from IdrA, given his capabilities and his need to show a strong game after weeks of under performance outside of private practice/streaming.
On February 12 2012 12:02 Hulavuta wrote: I think people like to exaggerate about IdrA. He's still having good results, people just notice when something crappy happens to him, lolololoololololololol..
Top 8 in Providence, Top 8 in NASL, and 4th at Orlando are bad results? You seem to think that falling out of Code A = terrible results, when even players like Bomber and HuK fell out...
Those are links the guy sent You, You understand? You must click them. Then You will see how BAD Your Idra is lately.
Dropping from Code A is not terrible results because noone who isnt Idra fanboy ever believed him to stay there. Players like Huk? Huk plays even worse lately (he gets outplayed so hard by players he was beating in the past that its sad to watch) so it doesnt make sense to compare Idra to him.
Bomber? Lol , its like comparing Prius to Lamborghini.
On February 12 2012 12:02 Hulavuta wrote: I think people like to exaggerate about IdrA. He's still having good results, people just notice when something crappy happens to him, lolololoololololololol..
Top 8 in Providence, Top 8 in NASL, and 4th at Orlando are bad results? You seem to think that falling out of Code A = terrible results, when even players like Bomber and HuK fell out...
Those are links the guy sent You, You understand? You must click them. Then You will see how BAD Your Idra is lately.
Dropping from Code A is not terrible results because noone who isnt Idra fanboy ever believed him to stay there. Players like Huk? Huk plays even worse lately (he gets outplayed so hard by players he was beating in the past that its sad to watch) so it doesnt make sense to compare Idra to him.
Bomber? Lol , its like comparing Prius to Lamborghini.
Really? Bomber = prius? He plays incredibly well.He has his off-days, but we know how insane he is when that switch is turned...
On February 12 2012 12:35 Fragmaaad wrote: Can someone please tell me why EG would pick incontrol over HuK? In fact, they never ever pick HuK for clan wars.. Is he not available or something?
HuK hates playing with any lag, so unless it would be KR server he would not play. I believe this is why he has mot been playing in clan wars much, if at all. I don't remember him playing in one for Liquid either.
On February 13 2012 00:47 mangomango wrote: That match just made me angry. It's not easy to watch your team go down in flames. Sorry guys.
yea i know it sucks that TL and EG have such a rivalry too, cos it means that people can post anything they want about EG (like mordk) but if you post anything slightly negative towards TL as a pro-team you'll be banned so quick
Its ok EG, youre still easily one of the best foreign teams. If every one of your players played their best, there wouldnt be a foreign team that could take you down. Hopefuly idra isnt getting too demoralised
I LOVE EG more than any other team, but i think this match depends on what server is being played on. For Morrow vs Puma, they are both in KR so I give it to Puma and his GREAT play, for Thorzain vs IdrA, I give advantage to whoever gets homeserver, Inc vs Hasu, is hard to predict cuz its pvp and even though historically Inc hasnt done well, recent practice and performance seems to be shining through. As for JYP vs MaNa I give advantage to JYp no matter what server, his PvP is very solid.
On February 13 2012 01:14 PandaMonk wrote: I LOVE EG more than any other team, but i think this match depends on what server is being played on. For Morrow vs Puma, they are both in KR so I give it to Puma and his GREAT play, for Thorzain vs IdrA, I give advantage to whoever gets homeserver, Inc vs Hasu, is hard to predict cuz its pvp and even though historically Inc hasnt done well, recent practice and performance seems to be shining through. As for JYP vs MaNa I give advantage to JYp no matter what server, his PvP is very solid.
1) How are people saying EG doesn't take this competition seriously? The did bring PuMa, IdrA, iNcontroL , JYP... 2) Why the EG hate... I'm mouz fan and I'm happy they won but there's no reason to hate on EG here. Seriously :/
On February 13 2012 02:23 mTw|NarutO wrote: 1) How are people saying EG doesn't take this competition seriously? The did bring PuMa, IdrA, iNcontroL , JYP... 2) Why the EG hate... I'm mouz fan and I'm happy they won but there's no reason to hate on EG here. Seriously :/
Yeah they brought out their A-team for the most part so it's not like they brushed it off.
What I'm curious about is why JYP didn't play earlier and where HuK has been lately. :O
On February 13 2012 02:23 mTw|NarutO wrote: 1) How are people saying EG doesn't take this competition seriously? The did bring PuMa, IdrA, iNcontroL , JYP... 2) Why the EG hate... I'm mouz fan and I'm happy they won but there's no reason to hate on EG here. Seriously :/
Yeah they brought out their A-team for the most part so it's not like they brushed it off.
What I'm curious about is why JYP didn't play earlier and where HuK has been lately. :O
Incontrol talked about it before on his stream, Huk and Idra refuse to play in these clan wars due to the latency from playing on NA server from Korea, However, atleast JYP and Puma try..
On February 13 2012 02:23 mTw|NarutO wrote: 1) How are people saying EG doesn't take this competition seriously? The did bring PuMa, IdrA, iNcontroL , JYP... 2) Why the EG hate... I'm mouz fan and I'm happy they won but there's no reason to hate on EG here. Seriously :/
Yeah they brought out their A-team for the most part so it's not like they brushed it off.
What I'm curious about is why JYP didn't play earlier and where HuK has been lately. :O
Incontrol talked about it before on his stream, Huk and Idra refuse to play in these clan wars due to the latency from playing on NA server from Korea, However, atleast JYP and Puma try..
This need to be higlighted, explains idras non microed shitty effort - I knew he was losing on purpose
awwh well hope idra does well in showmatch vs alive
On February 13 2012 02:23 mTw|NarutO wrote: 1) How are people saying EG doesn't take this competition seriously? The did bring PuMa, IdrA, iNcontroL , JYP... 2) Why the EG hate... I'm mouz fan and I'm happy they won but there's no reason to hate on EG here. Seriously :/
Yeah they brought out their A-team for the most part so it's not like they brushed it off.
What I'm curious about is why JYP didn't play earlier and where HuK has been lately. :O
Incontrol talked about it before on his stream, Huk and Idra refuse to play in these clan wars due to the latency from playing on NA server from Korea, However, atleast JYP and Puma try..
This need to be higlighted, explains idras non microed shitty effort - I knew he was losing on purpose
awwh well hope idra does well in showmatch vs alive
Haha, come on, losing games for your team on purpose, silliest post I've seen in a while.
On February 13 2012 02:23 mTw|NarutO wrote: 1) How are people saying EG doesn't take this competition seriously? The did bring PuMa, IdrA, iNcontroL , JYP... 2) Why the EG hate... I'm mouz fan and I'm happy they won but there's no reason to hate on EG here. Seriously :/
Yeah they brought out their A-team for the most part so it's not like they brushed it off.
What I'm curious about is why JYP didn't play earlier and where HuK has been lately. :O
Incontrol talked about it before on his stream, Huk and Idra refuse to play in these clan wars due to the latency from playing on NA server from Korea, However, atleast JYP and Puma try..
This need to be higlighted, explains idras non microed shitty effort - I knew he was losing on purpose
awwh well hope idra does well in showmatch vs alive
So more excuses and more bad manner? If all the players from all the teams TRY to play for their teams in these Team Leagues why are the EG members so special that don't even want to try? I think EG management is giving them to much credit. They should force some respect on them.
It's like one football team refuses to play when it's raining or on wet grass.
Very well played by mouz, morrow showing his skill, thorzain with a great build. The incontrol - Hasu match was a bid disappointing. Its fine to play 4 gate against a player who likes to gamble like Real. 4 gate against Hasu who is known to play super super save is a desperation move. Incontrol should have played straight up or tried some more surprising all in imho.
Okay, watched the rebroadcast now, that was a brutal smackdown. I'm a bit disappointed, EG going 0-4 in this league, but also their play in this match in particular, no game that was even a bit close.
Nice for Mouz, I hope they can still make it in the playoffs, but even though they are currently on 4th place, it will still be a hard race towards the end with Reign and Roxkis...
On February 13 2012 04:12 JustPassingBy wrote: Nice for Mouz, I hope they can still make it in the playoffs, but even though they are currently on 4th place, it will still be a hard race towards the end with Reign and Roxkis...
They should be able to make it since they're objectively better than those two teams, but it's going to be tough nevertheless, especially with the unforgiving BO1 format.
On February 12 2012 12:35 Fragmaaad wrote: Can someone please tell me why EG would pick incontrol over HuK? In fact, they never ever pick HuK for clan wars.. Is he not available or something?
HuK hates playing with any lag, so unless it would be KR server he would not play. I believe this is why he has mot been playing in clan wars much, if at all. I don't remember him playing in one for Liquid either.
Wow, maybe 10% of posts in this thread weren't absolute garbage. Congrats to those few. Morrow seems to be still a beast, in fact even more fearsome, nice seeing him getting a bit more exposure.
On February 12 2012 12:35 Fragmaaad wrote: Can someone please tell me why EG would pick incontrol over HuK? In fact, they never ever pick HuK for clan wars.. Is he not available or something?
HuK hates playing with any lag, so unless it would be KR server he would not play. I believe this is why he has mot been playing in clan wars much, if at all. I don't remember him playing in one for Liquid either.
They're all in Korea. I don't get this.
All mouz players except morrow are in EU.
i think he meant most of the EG members are in korea right now so he doesnt see why its okay for them to play but not for huk..
and i'm actually a bit curious as well
Good job mouz i have to say morrow is on fire gsl spoiler: + Show Spoiler +
sad he lost in coda a
funny how a lot of US guys actually put incontrol over hasu... can someone tell me why incontrol is getting even more credit for being a good player without any results?
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hahaha
I really think he just didn't give much of a shit, since it was team league with server lag
