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On February 14 2012 02:20 Bagi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 02:03 Yaki wrote:
Just pure pathetic attitude by IdrA, and he is still the most loved foreigners. I don't understand people's logic. Well its not like the US scene has many options if they want to root for the "home team".. The english-speaking foreigner community is very US-dominant, since KR has its own scene and even EU has many smaller communities for people speaking different languages. This results in a slight US bias over the board and disproportional hype surrounding top US players such as Idra and Huk,
You're probably right. But Huk isn't even US, he's Canadian. So Idra may still possibly be the best US player (I just can't think of anyone else). It just shows how pathetic our scene is.
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On February 14 2012 02:20 Bagi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 02:03 Yaki wrote:
Just pure pathetic attitude by IdrA, and he is still the most loved foreigners. I don't understand people's logic. Well its not like the US scene has many options if they want to root for the "home team".. The english-speaking foreigner community is very US-dominant, since KR has its own scene and even EU has many smaller communities for people speaking different languages. This results in a slight US bias over the board and disproportional hype surrounding top US players such as Idra and Huk,
Also people just straight up love drama and people who create drama. All you have to do is turn on the TV or open a celebrity magazine for two seconds to discover the type of people who are glorified by the masses.
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I have to recommend the whole series just for aLive's hilarious and perfectly timed ingame comment
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On February 14 2012 01:13 themask4f wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 01:00 Orzabal wrote:
I agree with MrCon and zefreak.
The mindset of Idra suffer from lack of flexibility. If he thinks he made a mistake he GG.
He is also too predictible, to readable, to rigid.
It is a shame because he is very clever, and his understanding of the game is above many progamer.
I get so annoyed every time I hear that...hes just bad, accept it. He's not the genius that you think he is that would win everything would he fix a couple things. You fanboys can be so irritant :s
lol did you actually read my post ?
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I used to be super excited for idras games. now i know he wont ever play unless everything goes perfect for him, so i dont really care to watch him anymore. he should go play chess or something instead
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On February 14 2012 02:21 Zyphen wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 02:20 Bagi wrote:On February 14 2012 02:03 Yaki wrote:
Just pure pathetic attitude by IdrA, and he is still the most loved foreigners. I don't understand people's logic. Well its not like the US scene has many options if they want to root for the "home team".. The english-speaking foreigner community is very US-dominant, since KR has its own scene and even EU has many smaller communities for people speaking different languages. This results in a slight US bias over the board and disproportional hype surrounding top US players such as Idra and Huk, You're probably right. But Huk isn't even US, he's Canadian. So Idra may still possibly be the best US player (I just can't think of anyone else). It just shows how pathetic our scene is.
A lot of it is just bad luck I think. Most of the best EU players were the best EU Wc3 or BW players and a large number if not most of them made the transition.
Where as for the NA scene most of the best players either:
Don't Enjoy Sc2 - Louder, G5, Rekrul, Froz, Nyoken and have quit the scene.
Play officially but just haven't transitioned well - Tyler, Incontrol
Have become Casters - Artosis, Day9, Tasteless (although he was more of a caster in BW too).
So the NA scene has had to rely on new blood who probably played BW or Wc3 but not at any kind of high level and there's barely any players who in any scene who weren't either known in foreign Wc3 or BW or at least practice partners for Koreans (Polt notwithstanding) who achieved anything in Sc2.
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Lets just say the difference between (hero v dimaga spoiler) + Show Spoiler +0 - 4 dimaga v her0 and 0 - 4 idra v alive is cunning.
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On February 14 2012 02:34 Spuick wrote:Lets just say the difference between (hero v dimaga spoiler) + Show Spoiler +0 - 4 dimaga v her0 and 0 - 4 idra v alive is cunning.
Elaborate please they + Show Spoiler +
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Idra can do whatever he wants. However he really should not be invited to show matches / fun games. They are often terrible because of his attitude towards them.
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On February 14 2012 02:34 Spuick wrote:Lets just say the difference between (hero v dimaga spoiler) + Show Spoiler +0 - 4 dimaga v her0 and 0 - 4 idra v alive is cunning.
At least + Show Spoiler +didn't give up when he was down 0-2
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I have to wonder at the people that think Idra will "go away". He did quite well in the last quarter of 2011 and although his 2012 record is horrible, most of those games are against top-notch Koreans. Naniwa is 1-11 or something in the GSL too, nobody says he will "go away". Fact is, there is no reason to think that hardcore training at the Slayers house will make Idra worse, it's not strange at all to think he is still a good contender for best foreigner. Do you think, say, Thorzain would have faired too much better against Alive, who has improved to be one of the top terrans in Korea? Put Idra in a LAN-tourney without too many absolute top Koreans and he is still a favorite.
Idra has been causing controversy for years now and he is maybe not more popular than ever, but still quite so, and he does get a lot of hype still.
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On February 14 2012 00:50 MrCon wrote:
The problem is that those are not isolated incidents anymore.
One year ago you'd have the occasional Idra early gg but he was still playing well in general.
Now if you watch the last 20 Idra's games, they're all the same bullshit.
His fans trying to rationalize all of this is what hurting the most imo. So Idra was right to do that because aLive 11/11'ed him ? And what about every single zerg, even foreign ones, who manage to not die from this and bring the game to the mid or late part ? What about every single zerg except Idra knows how to defend from the hellion build ? If you replace Idra with someone like even Destiny, the first 2 games will go at least to the midgame. Nobody but Idra dies to this. Losira often loses his hatch to the 11/11, he's notoriously bad at defending it, but he still win the game a good % of the time after losing his hatch.
Last year Idra had the skill excuse, now he's one of the worst players in the scene skill wise. He doesn't realize how lucky he is to be able to live in the Slayers house. This guy is a disgrace.
Best post in the thread.
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On February 14 2012 02:21 Zyphen wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 02:20 Bagi wrote:On February 14 2012 02:03 Yaki wrote:
Just pure pathetic attitude by IdrA, and he is still the most loved foreigners. I don't understand people's logic. Well its not like the US scene has many options if they want to root for the "home team".. The english-speaking foreigner community is very US-dominant, since KR has its own scene and even EU has many smaller communities for people speaking different languages. This results in a slight US bias over the board and disproportional hype surrounding top US players such as Idra and Huk, You're probably right. But Huk isn't even US, he's Canadian. So Idra may still possibly be the best US player (I just can't think of anyone else). It just shows how pathetic our scene is.
Huk is a dual citizen of both Canada and the USA. We have plenty of talent in players like Illusion and qxc, but the issue I think is that in the US, there's a lot more cultural/societal emphasis on the importance of schooling and solid career paths via those degrees that really prevents a lot of people from committing. Although I'm not certain about the specifics regarding European schooling, I recall that Mana is done with their equivalent "high school" at his age, whereas US teens are only done with high school at 18.
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On February 14 2012 02:46 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 02:34 Spuick wrote:Lets just say the difference between (hero v dimaga spoiler) + Show Spoiler +0 - 4 dimaga v her0 and 0 - 4 idra v alive is cunning. At least + Show Spoiler +didn't give up when he was down 0-2
At least + Show Spoiler + didn't open with two cheeses.
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On February 14 2012 02:13 Zyphen wrote:
He's not even the best foreign zerg in my estimation.
He's not even top 5 foreign zerg.
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On February 14 2012 02:54 BronzeKnee wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 02:46 1Eris1 wrote:On February 14 2012 02:34 Spuick wrote:Lets just say the difference between (hero v dimaga spoiler) + Show Spoiler +0 - 4 dimaga v her0 and 0 - 4 idra v alive is cunning. At least + Show Spoiler +didn't give up when he was down 0-2 At least + Show Spoiler + didn't open with two cheeses.
So if your oppenent cheeses you, you're entitled to throw the rest of the series?
Give me a freaking break. Alive exploited IdrA's weaknesses, and IdrA got mad and threw a fit. Stop defending him and actually acknowledge that he has a pitiful attitude
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On February 14 2012 02:52 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 02:21 Zyphen wrote:On February 14 2012 02:20 Bagi wrote:On February 14 2012 02:03 Yaki wrote:
Just pure pathetic attitude by IdrA, and he is still the most loved foreigners. I don't understand people's logic. Well its not like the US scene has many options if they want to root for the "home team".. The english-speaking foreigner community is very US-dominant, since KR has its own scene and even EU has many smaller communities for people speaking different languages. This results in a slight US bias over the board and disproportional hype surrounding top US players such as Idra and Huk, You're probably right. But Huk isn't even US, he's Canadian. So Idra may still possibly be the best US player (I just can't think of anyone else). It just shows how pathetic our scene is. Huk is a dual citizen of both Canada and the USA. We have plenty of talent in players like Illusion and qxc, but the issue I think is that in the US, there's a lot more cultural/societal emphasis on the importance of schooling and solid career paths via those degrees that really prevents a lot of people from committing. Although I'm not certain about the specifics regarding European schooling, I recall that Mana is done with their equivalent "high school" at his age, whereas US teens are only done with high school at 18.
LOL at you acting like we don't place an importance on schooling in Europe. Korea places more importance on schooling than the USA and Europe by a mile and yet Koreans dominate the game.
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On February 14 2012 03:01 Seraphone wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 02:52 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:On February 14 2012 02:21 Zyphen wrote:On February 14 2012 02:20 Bagi wrote:On February 14 2012 02:03 Yaki wrote:
Just pure pathetic attitude by IdrA, and he is still the most loved foreigners. I don't understand people's logic. Well its not like the US scene has many options if they want to root for the "home team".. The english-speaking foreigner community is very US-dominant, since KR has its own scene and even EU has many smaller communities for people speaking different languages. This results in a slight US bias over the board and disproportional hype surrounding top US players such as Idra and Huk, You're probably right. But Huk isn't even US, he's Canadian. So Idra may still possibly be the best US player (I just can't think of anyone else). It just shows how pathetic our scene is. Huk is a dual citizen of both Canada and the USA. We have plenty of talent in players like Illusion and qxc, but the issue I think is that in the US, there's a lot more cultural/societal emphasis on the importance of schooling and solid career paths via those degrees that really prevents a lot of people from committing. Although I'm not certain about the specifics regarding European schooling, I recall that Mana is done with their equivalent "high school" at his age, whereas US teens are only done with high school at 18. LOL at you acting like we don't place an importance on schooling in Europe. Korea places more importance on schooling than the USA and Europe by a mile and yet Koreans dominate the game.
gaming is a lot more prevalent in south korean culture though. in the USA there are very few LAN centers etc where you can play games. there used to be 3 around me when i was 13-14 (6-7yrs ago) and they all closed down. there's actually not one near me and sometimes i'd like to go to one.
in USA (and Europe) other sports are infinitely more popular, but it seems in Europe it's mainly futbol, but in USA we have football, baseball, basketball...that are all HUGE (not as big as futbol...but that's because far far more countries participate in futbol)
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On February 14 2012 02:52 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 02:21 Zyphen wrote:On February 14 2012 02:20 Bagi wrote:On February 14 2012 02:03 Yaki wrote:
Just pure pathetic attitude by IdrA, and he is still the most loved foreigners. I don't understand people's logic. Well its not like the US scene has many options if they want to root for the "home team".. The english-speaking foreigner community is very US-dominant, since KR has its own scene and even EU has many smaller communities for people speaking different languages. This results in a slight US bias over the board and disproportional hype surrounding top US players such as Idra and Huk, You're probably right. But Huk isn't even US, he's Canadian. So Idra may still possibly be the best US player (I just can't think of anyone else). It just shows how pathetic our scene is. Huk is a dual citizen of both Canada and the USA. We have plenty of talent in players like Illusion and qxc, but the issue I think is that in the US, there's a lot more cultural/societal emphasis on the importance of schooling and solid career paths via those degrees that really prevents a lot of people from committing. Although I'm not certain about the specifics regarding European schooling, I recall that Mana is done with their equivalent "high school" at his age, whereas US teens are only done with high school at 18.
Yeah, because all Europeans countries are exactly the same.
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On February 14 2012 02:15 89andy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 02:03 00Visor wrote:On February 14 2012 01:43 FLuE wrote:
However, and I'm not giving Idra a pass on his play, but I'm also not exactly thrilled with Alive. When I hear showmatch(especially one with a pretty minor monetary reward) I'd like to see the players put on a bit of a show. Maybe try some different builds, throw out some different units, but to be honest I feel let down by both players. A showmatch to me is just an exhibition style match to get people excited. I want to see 40 minute games with ghosts/nukes/broodlords/nueral parasite. Not that the first 2 games couldn't have gotten to that point, but the builds chosen by Alive were far from exciting and were not geared toward "giving a show." It is the same crap we can watch and do see all the time. 400$ is not a pretty minor monetary reward. Regarding the situation in TSL, I'm very sure alive got no salary there. So he made roughly 1k/month, mainly through GSL Code S. Then Koreans have a bit different perception of cheese. Some legendary games in BW were cheeses. They joke around about them and often 'test' unknown players with a very aggressive opening at the beginning of a series. I share this perception btw. Cheese is also not certainly game-ending. Many transition into normal games if medicore damage was dealt. Sheth pointed out how Idra could have had good shot at defending vs the hellions, but he just a-moved the drones into them. Idra also scouted the hellions way too late, if he would have had the wall up, it would have been a normal game. alive had 2 bases up and regarding all the lings of Idra, his Hellions wouldnt have been useless. more like alive would be in serious deep shit if the wall got up. He HAD to do SIGNIFICANT almost game ending damage there or he would be seriously behind.
Please read my post and respond to my arguments instead of just stating something.
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