EPT[GSL] 2012 Season 1 Code A Ro48 D2 - Page 78
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Odoakar
Croatia1835 Posts
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CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
On February 08 2012 02:40 Odoakar wrote: One day you all kill, next day you are in Code B. One day you win GSL, the next day it's code A...god I hate SC2, I really want to love it but it's just so random and inconsistent. It's not random at all. If Bomber didn't get that all-kill and I had an actual subscription to GOM I would've called Heart to win. Bomber is mechanically great but subpar in terms of strategy and tactics, and that's the underlying reason why he's in a slump in the moment. | ||
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MrProb
Thailand794 Posts
On February 08 2012 02:42 CosmicSpiral wrote: It's not random at all. If Bomber didn't get that all-kill and I had an actual subscription to GOM I would've called Heart to win. Bomber is mechanically great but subpar in terms of strategy and tactics, and that's the underlying reason why he's in a slump in the moment. WRONG imo. Its not particularily just Bomber, we've seen all these kind of so called randomness and unpredictable results from **Korean SC2 Pro Scene** Either the Korean's talent pool is so deep, the game is still developing or the game itself is badly designed.I dont know | ||
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CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
On February 08 2012 02:52 MrProb wrote: WRONG imo. Its not particularily just Bomber, we've seen all these kind of so called randomness and unpredictable results from **Korean SC2 Pro Scene** Either the Korean's talent pool is so deep, the game is still developing or the game itself is badly designed.I dont know You can have your opinion, I can have all of his replays over the last two months. Deal? | ||
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
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s4life
Peru1519 Posts
On February 08 2012 02:42 CosmicSpiral wrote: It's not random at all. If Bomber didn't get that all-kill and I had an actual subscription to GOM I would've called Heart to win. Bomber is mechanically great but subpar in terms of strategy and tactics, and that's the underlying reason why he's in a slump in the moment. Your post gives two contradictory statements. If Bomber is subpar in strategy and tactics how the f.. did he all-kill a very good korean team? exactly, because the game has a pretty random nature. | ||
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wklbishop
United States1286 Posts
On February 08 2012 02:54 CosmicSpiral wrote: You can have your opinion, I can have all of his replays over the last two months. Deal? I agree with him in terms of randomness actually. I mean, if you look at the Kiwikaki vs. Catz Bo31 or even MMA vs DRG, you'll notice there were times when one player won 3 times in a row against another and in a Bo3 situation that could easily mean a victory for one player over the other. | ||
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FuzzyJAM
Scotland9300 Posts
Gah, why so stupid?! | ||
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HaXXspetten
Sweden15718 Posts
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
Even in chess ... i had 2 team members that were as good as me. 2 years long, i always won against one of them, who in turn won against the one i always lost to and it was like 90% winrate in all 3 cases. Also won 50% of the time against someone totally superior to me in Blitz (5 minutes each for the whole match) in which i was horrible, and he had a 80% winrate against me in normal games. Just because such things happen alot i wouldn't call chess random really. It happens in a complex game. It will decrease at true master level and if the game is more figured out, but everyone is far away from reaching that in sc2. (especially since even in chess there are still variations of opening popping up) | ||
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fraktoasters
United States617 Posts
On February 08 2012 02:52 MrProb wrote: WRONG imo. Its not particularily just Bomber, we've seen all these kind of so called randomness and unpredictable results from **Korean SC2 Pro Scene** Either the Korean's talent pool is so deep, the game is still developing or the game itself is badly designed.I dont know How about Bomber didn't scout? Why is there a discussion on how SC2 works without any analysis of what actually happened in the games. | ||
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Golgotha
Korea (South)8418 Posts
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densha
United States797 Posts
On February 08 2012 03:01 s4life wrote: Your post gives two contradictory statements. If Bomber is subpar in strategy and tactics how the f.. did he all-kill a very good korean team? exactly, because the game has a pretty random nature. Yup. It's so random that Bomber expands with one marine and dies to an opponent who rushes him. Could never have seen that coming with all the randomness and whatnot... | ||
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Stanlot
United States5742 Posts
Darn Bomber :[ | ||
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rUiNati0n
United States1155 Posts
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HowardRoark
1146 Posts
On February 08 2012 02:52 MrProb wrote: WRONG imo. Its not particularily just Bomber, we've seen all these kind of so called randomness and unpredictable results from **Korean SC2 Pro Scene** Either the Korean's talent pool is so deep, the game is still developing or the game itself is badly designed.I dont know I think it is a combination of bad game design and low skill cap, especially the latter, since bad game design doesn't necessary mean random games. I mean, tic-tac-toe is great design, and it is 50% winrate. Will watch the Bomber games now, I couldn't catch them before. | ||
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aintz
Canada5624 Posts
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CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
On February 08 2012 03:01 s4life wrote: Your post gives two contradictory statements. If Bomber is subpar in strategy and tactics how the f.. did he all-kill a very good korean team? exactly, because the game has a pretty random nature. Because his opponents are mechanically worse and Bomber got some lucky breaks? From the threads it appears there were two games where his opponents should have won but played sloppily. But since I couldn't watch all the games I assumed that Bomber played solidly in all of them. Seems like I was wrong. Bomber deserved to lose that series. He did greedy risky openings against an opponent whose TvT is centered around one-base pushes. I'm shocked that he did not prepare against that style properly. "The game is random" is the classic cry of scrubs who don't understand how to play. By simple logic the game cannot be random as it requires fixed values in every aspect to be minimally playable. There are no unpredictable bugs that affect gameplay in any serious way. Bomber played foolishly and got punished. I expected this to happen in one game but not two. On February 08 2012 03:01 wklbishop wrote: I agree with him in terms of randomness actually. I mean, if you look at the Kiwikaki vs. Catz Bo31 or even MMA vs DRG, you'll notice there were times when one player won 3 times in a row against another and in a Bo3 situation that could easily mean a victory for one player over the other. They were not playing seriously to my knowledge. Also Kiwi is slowly falling behind in PvZ. | ||
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babylon
8765 Posts
TOP for his abysmal army control, Bomber for his terrible decision-making. *facepalm* At least they can commiserate, I guess. @ CosmicSpiral: I guess you can argue like you want from the POV of "Bomber didn't play well, his opponents messed up" but that's what SC2 is pretty much about. That's why MVP is so great; it's because he makes the least mistakes on television. It's why MMA is so great too; he forces the most crucial mistakes from his opponents. It's all about your opponents not playing a perfect game and for punishing them for those tiny openings they give you. | ||
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