EPT[GSL] 2012 Season 1 Code A Ro48 D2 - Page 79
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Gladiator6
Sweden7024 Posts
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bittman
Australia8759 Posts
Something around a million counter arguments to that. Pretty sad to see Bomber can't keep up in consistency with the top though, I always liked watching him from even before he appeared in gstl | ||
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10383 Posts
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CeriseCherries
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CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
On February 08 2012 06:35 babylon wrote: Two macro beasts who should never, by all rights, have fallen out of the GSL: TOP and Bomber. TOP for his abysmal army control, Bomber for his terrible decision-making. *facepalm* At least they can commiserate, I guess. @ CosmicSpiral: I guess you can argue like you want from the POV of "Bomber didn't play well, his opponents messed up" but that's what SC2 is pretty much about. That's why MVP is so great; it's because he makes the least mistakes on television. It's why MMA is so great too; he forces the most crucial mistakes from his opponents. It's all about your opponents not playing a perfect game and for punishing them for those tiny openings they give you. I didn't say Bomber didn't play well, but a 5-0 doesn't tell you anything about his games. In particular the score doesn't tell me anything about how Bomber won the games, which interests me the most. Bomber has never maintained a presence in the top tier because of certain weaknesses, weaknesses that show up even in his most dominating wins. Losing against Heart makes me believe he has not overcome them. | ||
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tuho12345
4482 Posts
On February 08 2012 02:40 Odoakar wrote: One day you all kill, next day you are in Code B. One day you win GSL, the next day it's code A...god I hate SC2, I really want to love it but it's just so random and inconsistent. Thing is, you don't know anything about the Korean scene or the Pros' scene. There are tons of potential players out there could take down any top players on a good day. So deal with, it's not random, you just don't know much about it. | ||
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HuKPOWA
United States1604 Posts
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Irre
United States646 Posts
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TheTurk
United States732 Posts
Make EG proud. | ||
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Azzur
Australia6267 Posts
On February 08 2012 06:35 babylon wrote: Two macro beasts who should never, by all rights, have fallen out of the GSL: TOP and Bomber. TOP for his abysmal army control, Bomber for his terrible decision-making. *facepalm* At least they can commiserate, I guess. @ CosmicSpiral: I guess you can argue like you want from the POV of "Bomber didn't play well, his opponents messed up" but that's what SC2 is pretty much about. That's why MVP is so great; it's because he makes the least mistakes on television. It's why MMA is so great too; he forces the most crucial mistakes from his opponents. It's all about your opponents not playing a perfect game and for punishing them for those tiny openings they give you. "Bomber didn't play well, his opponents messed up" is a very valid argument for Bomber's 5-0 GSTL run. This is because with the exception of Jjkaji, his opponents are no-namers and not even in Code A. In the high pressure environment of GSL, if you make mistakes, because of the quality of opponents is higher, you are going to get punished. Bomber plays the same in GSL and GSTL but the difference is that he gets punished for poor-play in the GSL. | ||
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Azzur
Australia6267 Posts
On February 08 2012 06:57 CosmicSpiral wrote: I didn't say Bomber didn't play well, but a 5-0 doesn't tell you anything about his games. In particular the score doesn't tell me anything about how Bomber won the games, which interests me the most. Bomber has never maintained a presence in the top tier because of certain weaknesses, weaknesses that show up even in his most dominating wins. Losing against Heart makes me believe he has not overcome them. For info on his GSTL games: - set1 I didn't watch but I heard Bomber won with a proxy-rax. - set2, the zerg was 40 supply up at some point but messed up. - set3 featured a HUGE choke by Sage. I don't understand how a Protoss who went Nexus first and easily holds a MM/helion semi-allin can lose from that position. - set4, Bomber faced San, who is a pretty mediocre player and no surprises. - set5 was Jjakji and Bomber won because Jjakji for some reason moved his third tank away. If not, he would've help that Bomber attack and came out ahead. Regardless, Jjakji was already under tremendous pressure at that time. | ||
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heartlxp
United States1258 Posts
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Whatson
United States5357 Posts
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SC2Phoenix
Canada2814 Posts
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Demorase
136 Posts
Bomber has never ever been good under pressure, he's at his best when he has room to experiment and no fear of the consequences, but in extreme situations he always choke and end up losing. Exactly what happened there. | ||
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gh0un
601 Posts
On February 08 2012 09:18 tuho12345 wrote: Thing is, you don't know anything about the Korean scene or the Pros' scene. There are tons of potential players out there could take down any top players on a good day. So deal with, it's not random, you just don't know much about it. What doesnt he know about it that would matter? He is absolutely correct with his statement. One day its winning the gsl, the other day its dropping down to code b, there is no denying that. Its a theme that has been going on for a very long time now. Sc2 has the potential to be random AT TIMES, and if you happen to be caught by it, then you are suddenly in code B, down from code S. It happened to MC, it happened to MVP. Basically two of the best players out there. If it happens to the best players, its obviously gonna happen to everyone, and thats exactly what we are seeing season for season, doesnt matter who drops down or who his opponent was. We had really bad players in the finals, and we had some of the best players in code B for quite a while. MMA comes to mind, Dongraegu comes to mind, Hongun comes to mind, Inca comes to mind. If you say Sc2 isnt random at all then you are just delusional. | ||
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BathTubNZ
New Zealand2556 Posts
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essencez
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On February 08 2012 19:07 gh0un wrote: What doesnt he know about it that would matter? He is absolutely correct with his statement. One day its winning the gsl, the other day its dropping down to code b, there is no denying that. Its a theme that has been going on for a very long time now. Sc2 has the potential to be random AT TIMES, and if you happen to be caught by it, then you are suddenly in code B, down from code S. It happened to MC, it happened to MVP. Basically two of the best players out there. If it happens to the best players, its obviously gonna happen to everyone, and thats exactly what we are seeing season for season, doesnt matter who drops down or who his opponent was. We had really bad players in the finals, and we had some of the best players in code B for quite a while. MMA comes to mind, Dongraegu comes to mind, Hongun comes to mind, Inca comes to mind. If you say Sc2 isnt random at all then you are just delusional. Random enough for MVP to consistently place himself in first in most tournaments he participates in. And even MC regained his protoss president performance levels after dropping out of code A. The only randomness is Fruitdealer who won the very first GSL and disappeared. All this just shows the general skill level is improving rapidly and even pro gamers need to motivate themselves and consistantly improve. | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
set5 was Jjakji and Bomber won because Jjakji for some reason moved his third tank away. If not, he would've help that Bomber attack and came out ahead. Regardless, Jjakji was already under tremendous pressure at that time. Jjajki was trying to defend the South side of his main base from elevator drops and that is why his third tank was out of position. He probably felt he was safe with 2 tanks at natural. It was a great decision by Bomber to go for it. As for randomness, aren't all sports like that? And even SC:BW? Bisu was dominate in Proleague last year but didn't do well in the individual leagues. | ||
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