• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 11:04
CEST 17:04
KST 00:04
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO4 & Finals Preview4[ASL21] Ro4 Preview: On Course12Code S Season 1 - RO8 Preview7[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt2: Progenitors8Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun13
Community News
Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO8 Results2Weekly Cups (May 4-10): Clem, MaxPax, herO win1Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule !11Weekly Cups (April 27-May 4): Clem takes triple0RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event12
StarCraft 2
General
Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO4 & Finals Preview Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO8 Results Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO12 Results MaNa leaves Team Liquid
Tourneys
GSL Code S Season 1 (2026) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament KSL Week 89 2026 GSL Season 2 Qualifiers Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule !
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players
External Content
Mutation # 525 Wheel of Misfortune The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 524 Death and Taxes Mutation # 523 Firewall
Brood War
General
vespene.gg — BW replays in browser Pros React to: TvT Masterclass in FlaSh vs Light BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion ASL21 General Discussion
Tourneys
[ASL21] Semifinals B [BSL22] RO8 Bracket Stage + Another TieBreaker [ASL21] Ro8 Day 4 Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2
Strategy
Muta micro map competition Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Hydra ZvZ: An Introduction Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Starcraft Tabletop Miniature Game
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread YouTube Thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread UK Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
streaming software Strange computer issues (software) [G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
How EEG Data Can Predict Gam…
TrAiDoS
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1850 users

[IEM] Sao Paulo - Day (insert number) - Page 31

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 29 30 31 32 33 97 Next
Urbz
Profile Joined August 2011
Netherlands456 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-08 15:36:05
February 08 2012 15:32 GMT
#601
On February 09 2012 00:25 Shikyo wrote:
Robert Simpson? Really? =S I wonder how that'll go...


Ahh, if you haven't seen him cast yet before you're in for a nice suprise. =D
If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything
Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-08 15:35:47
February 08 2012 15:33 GMT
#602
On February 09 2012 00:31 GrazerRinge wrote:
anyone knows the name of this song?


Fire - The Young Punx, phonat mix I think.
MVTaylor
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2893 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-08 15:34:38
February 08 2012 15:33 GMT
#603
On February 09 2012 00:30 gh0un wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 00:25 MrCon wrote:
On February 09 2012 00:23 WiljushkA wrote:
this is what i hate about tvz, terran can make a dozen micro mistakes, lose 5 drops without doing any damage, and still easily be in the game, but one missclick from zerg is an autoloss (see killers mutalisk loss).

Losing mutalisks on a misclick is the equivalent of getting caught unsieged and losing all your tanks.


Not really. Losing all tanks means you lost your support unit, but the backbone of the army still stands, and thats the marine.
Even if terran loses all marines and tanks, its not easy to kill a terran off in his simcity base, except if you have an overwhelming number of mutalisks.
As long as terran kept up in economy, a lost marine tank army is just that, a lost army.

If terran is pushing you and you lose all your mutas with a missclick its over, he can finish zerg off easily.


Are you trying to say mutalisks are not a zerg support unit and should be classed as the backbone of the army in a similar way to marines?

I mean... i dunno man...

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Mutalisk


On February 09 2012 00:32 Velr wrote:
It just feels to damn horrible to not take care for a few seconds and lose all your Mutas.

And with that half your army.
All your map control.
All your harass potential.
And basically the game.


Losing tank isn't fun either, but they do not tend to fly over a Thor or a ball of Marines out of "accident" .

It's clearly the Zergs fault when it happens, but it's just a horrible feeling ^^


In exactly the same way if you don't have your marines babysitting tanks and the mutas rush in and snipe them it's equally a horrible feeling and clearly the Terrans fault.
@followMVT
KiNGxXx
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
7928 Posts
February 08 2012 15:35 GMT
#604
On February 09 2012 00:30 gh0un wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 00:25 MrCon wrote:
On February 09 2012 00:23 WiljushkA wrote:
this is what i hate about tvz, terran can make a dozen micro mistakes, lose 5 drops without doing any damage, and still easily be in the game, but one missclick from zerg is an autoloss (see killers mutalisk loss).

Losing mutalisks on a misclick is the equivalent of getting caught unsieged and losing all your tanks.


Not really. Losing all tanks means you lost your support unit, but the backbone of the army still stands, and thats the marine.
Even if terran loses all marines and tanks, its not easy to kill a terran off in his simcity base, except if you have an overwhelming number of mutalisks.
As long as terran kept up in economy, a lost marine tank army is just that, a lost army.

If terran is pushing you and you lose all your mutas with a missclick its over, he can finish zerg off easily.

LOL Are you serious about everything you wrote?

If you can't kill a Terran after he lost his whole army nobody can help you, sorry.
MKP|Maru|TaeJa|Mvp|Polt|INnoVation|GuMiho|Bomber|GoOdy|TeamTerran
HigoSeco
Profile Joined December 2010
Chile232 Posts
February 08 2012 15:35 GMT
#605
does anyone know what happened to fenix?
gh0un
Profile Joined March 2011
601 Posts
February 08 2012 15:36 GMT
#606
On February 09 2012 00:33 mvtaylor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 00:30 gh0un wrote:
On February 09 2012 00:25 MrCon wrote:
On February 09 2012 00:23 WiljushkA wrote:
this is what i hate about tvz, terran can make a dozen micro mistakes, lose 5 drops without doing any damage, and still easily be in the game, but one missclick from zerg is an autoloss (see killers mutalisk loss).

Losing mutalisks on a misclick is the equivalent of getting caught unsieged and losing all your tanks.


Not really. Losing all tanks means you lost your support unit, but the backbone of the army still stands, and thats the marine.
Even if terran loses all marines and tanks, its not easy to kill a terran off in his simcity base, except if you have an overwhelming number of mutalisks.
As long as terran kept up in economy, a lost marine tank army is just that, a lost army.

If terran is pushing you and you lose all your mutas with a missclick its over, he can finish zerg off easily.


Are you trying to say mutalisks are not a zerg support unit and should be classed as the backbone of the army in a similar way to marines?

I mean... i dunno man...

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Mutalisk


I didnt say that, but the support unit for zerg has a different role than tanks for terrans.
Mutalisks are not only about controlling space, they are also for harassing purposes in order to disallow terrans to freely move out of their bases leaving them undefended.

Tanks are only about controlling space, while Mutalisks are about controlling space and harassing.
Slomo
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany7198 Posts
February 08 2012 15:37 GMT
#607
On February 09 2012 00:32 SimDawg wrote:
You know since ESL does their ads in the stream, I reckon they have one of the highest ROI per viewer return.

I mean I adblock just about everything, ESL is one of the only tournaments where I watch commercials.

I disable AdBlock in nearly all of ESPORTS. But yesterday, when I wanted to watch MLG Qualifiers I had to activate it. Those Ads on the MLG stream were constantly poping up during the games and causing lag.
RIP DOUBLE TI OG | #18 never forget
Nesto
Profile Joined November 2009
Switzerland1318 Posts
February 08 2012 15:40 GMT
#608
well, not exactly the message I would have passed on to Dustin Browder
Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
February 08 2012 15:40 GMT
#609
Ah more supernova. Sweet.
gh0un
Profile Joined March 2011
601 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-08 15:42:25
February 08 2012 15:40 GMT
#610
On February 09 2012 00:35 KiNGxXx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 00:30 gh0un wrote:
On February 09 2012 00:25 MrCon wrote:
On February 09 2012 00:23 WiljushkA wrote:
this is what i hate about tvz, terran can make a dozen micro mistakes, lose 5 drops without doing any damage, and still easily be in the game, but one missclick from zerg is an autoloss (see killers mutalisk loss).

Losing mutalisks on a misclick is the equivalent of getting caught unsieged and losing all your tanks.


Not really. Losing all tanks means you lost your support unit, but the backbone of the army still stands, and thats the marine.
Even if terran loses all marines and tanks, its not easy to kill a terran off in his simcity base, except if you have an overwhelming number of mutalisks.
As long as terran kept up in economy, a lost marine tank army is just that, a lost army.

If terran is pushing you and you lose all your mutas with a missclick its over, he can finish zerg off easily.

LOL Are you serious about everything you wrote?

If you can't kill a Terran after he lost his whole army nobody can help you, sorry.


Are you mad or something?
There are plenty of games in pretty much every tournament where a zerg has an overwhelming advantage but cant finish terran off just yet due to his simcity and the ineffectiveness of melee units (or low range units, roaches) inbetween simcity

Nestea vs Mvp at blizzcon comes to mind, where Nestea probably had the biggest advantage in the history of any game, but he cant run melee units into simcity and hope they will do well, because they wont.
He then waited for Broodlords to finish Mvp off and lost instead.

Apparently you are in denial that terrans are hard to kill off for zergs due to their simcity, which pretty much screws over every unit zerg has except mutalisks and broodlords.
Thats why i said, if someone has an overwhelming amount of mutalisks, its easy to finish a terran off that just lost his army, if you dont have an overwhelming muta count, then going into their base is more risky than just playing it out safe.
Seiniyta
Profile Joined May 2010
Belgium1815 Posts
February 08 2012 15:41 GMT
#611
And now everyone is going to be angry because Mr. Bitter didn't ask him about the interface :p

Pokemon Master
MVTaylor
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2893 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-08 15:42:23
February 08 2012 15:41 GMT
#612
Is that just me or is that supply depot misplaced? (It should be left and down one square?)

EDIT: Think it's right... but it seems super isn't going to wall off anyway (yet)
@followMVT
Shawngood
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany473 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-08 15:42:42
February 08 2012 15:41 GMT
#613
On February 09 2012 00:35 HigoSeco wrote:
does anyone know what happened to fenix?

Fenix said: "no i cant come i had problem with my team"

Read into it whatever you like, I guess.
@ESL_Shawn
Bommes
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany1226 Posts
February 08 2012 15:42 GMT
#614
On February 09 2012 00:36 gh0un wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 00:33 mvtaylor wrote:
On February 09 2012 00:30 gh0un wrote:
On February 09 2012 00:25 MrCon wrote:
On February 09 2012 00:23 WiljushkA wrote:
this is what i hate about tvz, terran can make a dozen micro mistakes, lose 5 drops without doing any damage, and still easily be in the game, but one missclick from zerg is an autoloss (see killers mutalisk loss).

Losing mutalisks on a misclick is the equivalent of getting caught unsieged and losing all your tanks.


Not really. Losing all tanks means you lost your support unit, but the backbone of the army still stands, and thats the marine.
Even if terran loses all marines and tanks, its not easy to kill a terran off in his simcity base, except if you have an overwhelming number of mutalisks.
As long as terran kept up in economy, a lost marine tank army is just that, a lost army.

If terran is pushing you and you lose all your mutas with a missclick its over, he can finish zerg off easily.


Are you trying to say mutalisks are not a zerg support unit and should be classed as the backbone of the army in a similar way to marines?

I mean... i dunno man...

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Mutalisk


I didnt say that, but the support unit for zerg has a different role than tanks for terrans.
Mutalisks are not only about controlling space, they are also for harassing purposes in order to disallow terrans to freely move out of their bases leaving them undefended.

Tanks are only about controlling space, while Mutalisks are about controlling space and harassing.


You know that without tanks its almost impossible to harass against Zerg because you can't move out of your base and all your drops will get cleaned off easily?
Really you should just stop going down the road even further Everyone knows marines are strong and imba but so are Zerglings in certain situations & without tanks marines are shit past the 15 minute mark in a straight up fight in TvZ.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
February 08 2012 15:43 GMT
#615
On February 09 2012 00:41 Seiniyta wrote:
And now everyone is going to be angry because Mr. Bitter didn't ask him about the interface :p


Yeah I think that's by far the biggest problem with the game

Anyway my impression from robert simpson has been "good voice and pretty good casting but doesn't know much", let's see how it really is
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
February 08 2012 15:44 GMT
#616
Isn't this the same build fOrGG used to kill July on this map?
Jetaap
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France4814 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-08 15:45:00
February 08 2012 15:44 GMT
#617
Reaper hellion drop incoming?? :D

edit: nope , cloaked banshees
Funkydonky
Profile Joined April 2011
950 Posts
February 08 2012 15:44 GMT
#618
yea darkforce is gonna die to these banshees
Favorite players: Stephano, Mana, Polt, Lucifron, Nerchio
Jetaap
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France4814 Posts
February 08 2012 15:45 GMT
#619
On February 09 2012 00:44 hrvoje07 wrote:
yea darkforce is gonna die to these banshees

Yeah he is dead, no evo gg
gh0un
Profile Joined March 2011
601 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-08 15:47:34
February 08 2012 15:46 GMT
#620
On February 09 2012 00:42 Bommes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 00:36 gh0un wrote:
On February 09 2012 00:33 mvtaylor wrote:
On February 09 2012 00:30 gh0un wrote:
On February 09 2012 00:25 MrCon wrote:
On February 09 2012 00:23 WiljushkA wrote:
this is what i hate about tvz, terran can make a dozen micro mistakes, lose 5 drops without doing any damage, and still easily be in the game, but one missclick from zerg is an autoloss (see killers mutalisk loss).

Losing mutalisks on a misclick is the equivalent of getting caught unsieged and losing all your tanks.


Not really. Losing all tanks means you lost your support unit, but the backbone of the army still stands, and thats the marine.
Even if terran loses all marines and tanks, its not easy to kill a terran off in his simcity base, except if you have an overwhelming number of mutalisks.
As long as terran kept up in economy, a lost marine tank army is just that, a lost army.

If terran is pushing you and you lose all your mutas with a missclick its over, he can finish zerg off easily.


Are you trying to say mutalisks are not a zerg support unit and should be classed as the backbone of the army in a similar way to marines?

I mean... i dunno man...

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Mutalisk


I didnt say that, but the support unit for zerg has a different role than tanks for terrans.
Mutalisks are not only about controlling space, they are also for harassing purposes in order to disallow terrans to freely move out of their bases leaving them undefended.

Tanks are only about controlling space, while Mutalisks are about controlling space and harassing.


You know that without tanks its almost impossible to harass against Zerg because you can't move out of your base and all your drops will get cleaned off easily?


Apparently terran is supposed to be able to harass zerg after losing their whole army, is that what you are trying to say?
Because you know exactly that that wasnt the point, point was that terran doesnt outright loses if he loses his tanks in the middle of the map, they just lose the ability to actively do something against zerg.
Playing defensively from there works quite well, just watch some Kas games.

If a zerg loses his mutalisks in the middle of the map while terran moves out, there is no playing defensive if he is knocking at your door.

Your statement that terran cant harass at all after losing tanks, basically confirms that you yourself believe that losing tanks doesnt equal losing the game.
It only equals losing the ability to harass, it just came out of your mouth.
Prev 1 29 30 31 32 33 97 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Showmatch
15:00
Shopify Rebellion Sunday
YoungYakov vs sOs
Scarlett vs Nicoract
Reynor vs ByuN
Harstem124
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ByuN 260
LamboSC2 192
Harstem 124
Railgan 83
Vindicta 47
elazer 0
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 54552
Sea 4805
Mini 1462
EffOrt 1157
Jaedong 930
ggaemo 321
firebathero 272
actioN 206
Larva 140
ToSsGirL 128
[ Show more ]
hero 120
Hyun 95
Bonyth 88
Backho 55
Barracks 49
Aegong 42
Sharp 39
Movie 30
Rock 17
IntoTheRainbow 13
GoRush 12
Shine 6
Dota 2
Gorgc8390
qojqva1479
syndereN221
Counter-Strike
pashabiceps951
Heroes of the Storm
MindelVK11
Other Games
Grubby20956
singsing2437
Liquid`RaSZi1269
Beastyqt794
B2W.Neo683
ceh9435
Pyrionflax316
Hui .290
crisheroes205
QueenE188
KnowMe132
monkeys_forever116
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 76
• LUISG 11
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 10
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Nemesis1897
Other Games
• WagamamaTV207
• Shiphtur93
Upcoming Events
IPSL
57m
Bonyth vs Napoleon
G5 vs JDConan
BSL
3h 57m
OyAji vs JDConan
DragOn vs TBD
OSC
8h 57m
Replay Cast
17h 57m
Monday Night Weeklies
1d
Replay Cast
1d 8h
The PondCast
1d 18h
Kung Fu Cup
1d 19h
GSL
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
[ Show More ]
GSL
3 days
WardiTV Spring Champion…
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
WardiTV Spring Champion…
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
Classic vs SHIN
Rogue vs Bunny
BSL
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Afreeca Starleague
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S2: W7
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Acropolis #4
KK 2v2 League Season 1
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
SCTL 2026 Spring
RSL Revival: Season 5
Heroes Pulsing #1
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2

Upcoming

YSL S3
Escore Tournament S2: W8
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
WardiTV Spring 2026
2026 GSL S2
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.